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Especially scroll down to the bottom and read the section on
the drug Premarin! I was so shocked
Especially scroll down to the bottom and read the section on
the drug Premarin! I was so shocked
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remarin®, a drug derived from
pregnant mares urine (PMU), is
prescribed to alleviate symptoms of
menopause and to prevent osteoporosis in
post-menopausal women. The estrogenrich
urine used in its production is collected
from mares confined in barns on PMU
ranches in Canada and the United States.
Despite the availability of humane alternatives,
including lifestyle changes and
plant-derived or synthetic medicines,
Premarin, PremPro, PremPac and
PremPhase are among the most widely
prescribed and profitable drugs in
America. A company in Minnesota is currently
seeking permission from the FDA
to produce a generic version of conjugated
estrogen from mares urine. Women, doctors
and the general public must be made
aware of the unnecessary stress and pain
inflicted on horses in the manufacture of
these drugs, and of the alternatives from
nonanimal sources that exist.
are sent to auction. Many of them eventually
end up in slaughterhouses, where they
are sold to meat markets in Europe and
Japan. The first time Helen Meredith of
the United Pegasus Foundation attended
an auction of Premarin foals in Manitoba,
Canada, what she saw was "absolutely devastating."
Hundreds of terrified foals as
young as three months were run through
the auction and loaded onto cattle trucks
for a trip to the feedlotwhere they
would live until they were large enough
for the slaughter plant.
The ASPCA supports the work of several
dedicated individuals and organizations
who are trying to save as many of these
foals as possible and find them loving,
responsible homes.
pregnant mares urine (PMU), is
prescribed to alleviate symptoms of
menopause and to prevent osteoporosis in
post-menopausal women. The estrogenrich
urine used in its production is collected
from mares confined in barns on PMU
ranches in Canada and the United States.
Despite the availability of humane alternatives,
including lifestyle changes and
plant-derived or synthetic medicines,
Premarin, PremPro, PremPac and
PremPhase are among the most widely
prescribed and profitable drugs in
America. A company in Minnesota is currently
seeking permission from the FDA
to produce a generic version of conjugated
estrogen from mares urine. Women, doctors
and the general public must be made
aware of the unnecessary stress and pain
inflicted on horses in the manufacture of
these drugs, and of the alternatives from
nonanimal sources that exist.
are sent to auction. Many of them eventually
end up in slaughterhouses, where they
are sold to meat markets in Europe and
Japan. The first time Helen Meredith of
the United Pegasus Foundation attended
an auction of Premarin foals in Manitoba,
Canada, what she saw was "absolutely devastating."
Hundreds of terrified foals as
young as three months were run through
the auction and loaded onto cattle trucks
for a trip to the feedlotwhere they
would live until they were large enough
for the slaughter plant.
The ASPCA supports the work of several
dedicated individuals and organizations
who are trying to save as many of these
foals as possible and find them loving,
responsible homes.
Medical Alternatives
It is time for our society to see menopause as
WHAT YOU CAN DO
Share this information with doctors and friends
Send a self-addressed, stamped envelope
for a comparison chart of hormone replacement
therapies to:
Estrogen Alternatives
HSUS
2100 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20037
Send your e-mail address to info@uan.org
and ask for their PMULines newsletter
Respectfully voice your protest to the
maker of PMU-derived conjugated estrogens:
Robert Essner, President
Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories
PO Box 8299
Philadelphia, PA 19101
(800) 999-9384
Send a self-addressed, stamped envelope
for a comparison chart of hormone replacement
therapies to:
Estrogen Alternatives
HSUS
2100 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20037
Send your e-mail address to info@uan.org
and ask for their PMULines newsletter
Respectfully voice your protest to the
maker of PMU-derived conjugated estrogens:
Robert Essner, President
Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories
PO Box 8299
Philadelphia, PA 19101
(800) 999-9384
FOAL RESCUE AND
ADOPTION
ADOPTION
FOAL RESCUE AND
ADOPTION
ADOPTION
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alwayz_remember_Calvery
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It's not as big of a deal as so many people feel the need to make it. Sure, some of the foals end up at the slaughter house, so do a lot of high quality American bred horses. Because of this push to try to get a bunch of premarin farms shut down, the horse market is being flooded with the foals and the mares and the studs.
The result of breeding cows for milk, something most people use everyday, but could you soymilk if the wanted, is their calves. Ya wanna know what happens to a lot of those calves..? Can we say veal? The difference between the two is the permarin farms TRY to sell their foals to people so they don't go to slaughter. They normally breed good quality animals. It isn't uncommon to look at a web site for those guys and see reg. QH and Paints along with warmbloods that would make excellent eventing prospects.
The result of breeding cows for milk, something most people use everyday, but could you soymilk if the wanted, is their calves. Ya wanna know what happens to a lot of those calves..? Can we say veal? The difference between the two is the permarin farms TRY to sell their foals to people so they don't go to slaughter. They normally breed good quality animals. It isn't uncommon to look at a web site for those guys and see reg. QH and Paints along with warmbloods that would make excellent eventing prospects.
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Facts and Myths about Premarin. This is from FoalQuest http://www.pmufoalquest.com/index.html
he following are some common myths and misconceptions about the PMU industry. We invite you to read this page to learn the facts.
MYTH: PMU mares spend their entire 11-month pregnancy online in the barn.
he following are some common myths and misconceptions about the PMU industry. We invite you to read this page to learn the facts.
MYTH: PMU mares spend their entire 11-month pregnancy online in the barn.
FACT: PMU mares spend approximately 150 days in the collection barn, which means that they are out on pasture for more than half the year. The mares are brought into the barns in October, when they are about 120 days in to their pregnancy. They are put out on pasture again in March.
MYTH: PMU mares are tied in 3 foot wide stalls on leads so tight they cannot move or lie down. They are not let out of the barn the entire time.
FACT: PMU mares are tied in stalls that are from 4 to 5 feet wide, depending on the size of the mare. The leads are long enough to allow the mares to move forward and back, and they can lie down comfortably. Each ranch has their own exercise program, but mares are required to be exercised at least every two weeks.
MYTH: PMU mares have their water restricted to concentrate the urine.
FACT: PMU mares are given the daily required amount of water as recommended by the National Research Council Nutrient the Requirements of Horses (1989). Producers are not paid for the concentration of the urine, they are paid per gram of estrogen, no matter what the volume of urine is. Restricting water is of no benefit to the producers.
MYTH: The mares are covered with open sores from the harness equipment and get infections from the collection equipment. PMU mares have catheters inserted in to their bladder.
FACT: Catheters are NOT used to collect the urine. The collection equipment is made of soft, flexible surgical tubing. It is not tightly strapped to the mare, rather, it is suspended above her by pulleys. The system allows the mare to move and lie down freely without causing rubbing or chafing.
MYTH: The mares are force bred immediately after giving birth.
FACT: The mares foal starting in early May. The stallions are turned out with each herd of mares on June 1. The mares breed naturally during the months of June and July.
MYTH: The foals are taken from the mares at birth and some are clubbed to death. The rest are sent to slaughter.
FACT: The foals remain on pasture with the mares for a minimum of 3 months and an average of 4 to 5 months. The foals cannot be weaned prior to September. The majority of PMU foals do NOT go to slaughter, only about 30% end up in feedlots each year.
MYTH: PMU foals are nothing but a throwaway by-product of this industry.
FACT: The majority of PMU producers are, first and foremost, breeders. They take great care and pride in their breeding programs and are producing top quality foals. You can find great Foundation Quarter Horse bloodlines on many PMU farms as well as draft horses that are participating in competitions all over North America. Many PMU farms are now using well bred Thoroughbred stallions on their draft cross mares to produce some amazing sporthorse foals, foals that are selling to buyers from as far away as KY and FL. You can find PMU bred foals at most rodeos and roping events across North America as well as at Heavy Horse Competitions like the Calgary Stampede. PMU foals are quality, well bred foals and are not produced merely as by-products.
MYTH: PMU foals are all sold at large meat auctions in lots of 20 or more at a time so that private buyers have no chance to bid on them.
FACT: The majority of PMU foals are sold at private Foal Production sales held either on the ranch or at smaller auction markets. The foals are sold one at a time. Many ranches also sell foals privately. The large auctions that so many hear about are not PMU sales at all. They are large livestock auctions that sell horses and foals from breeders and private owners as well as offering PMU foals. When buying at these sales you are not necessarily purchasing a PMU foal.
MYTH: PMU farms are located in very remote parts of the country in order to stay hidden from public view.
FACT: PMU farms are located in rural areas because they are agricultural operations which require a large amount of land. PMU farms are not hidden away from public viewing, many are located along busy highways and are in full view from the road. PMU ranchers are not ashamed of what they do for a living and do not try to hide it from anyone. Many production sales take place right on the farms and the barns are open to the public to view.
MYTH: PMU farms do not have to follow any laws or regulations in regards to operating their farms or caring for their horses.
FACT: The PMU industry is one of the most strictly regulated agricultural industries in operation today. Not only do producers have to follow the regulations set forth by provincial and state laws, they are also governed by the Code of Practice for The Care and Handling of Horses in PMU Operations. These strictly enforced regulations were developed by Ayerst Organics, veterinarians and equine experts and are the most thorough regulations in effect in the equine business. The Code regulates housing, health care, stall size, nutrition, water intake, transportation, harnessing, maintenance and foaling, breeding and weaning dates. The barns are inspected regularly throughout the year. Any producers that do not adhere to these regulations risk losing their production contracts.
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MU Foal Controversy
With increasing demand for hormone replacement drugs made from pregnant mare's urine (PMU), there is growing concern over what will happen to the foals born in the process. Eleven go on sale at Rutgers University April 28. By Jane Meggitt
There are few more controversial or emotional issues in the horse world than that of the PMU foals. PMU stands for Pregnant Mares' Urine, which is used in the production of Premarin, a hormone replacement drug for menopausal women manufactured by Wyeth Ayerst. As the baby boomers age, there will be more of a demand for such therapies; the question is, what happens to the foals born because the farmer needs their mother's urine?
The California-based United Pegasus Foundation states, in 2001, there were 450 PMU farms in Canada and 50 in the U.S., with approximately 60,000 mares. Mares are hooked up to urine collection devices, and stand on-line in large barns. Collection is generally from October to March, and the mares give birth in the spring. They are usually re-bred within a few weeks of foaling. Foals are sent to auction in September.
UPF board member Lara Stringfield claims about 10,000 of the foals die young, for various reasons, including early weaning. She estimates another ten thousand are bought at sales by individuals or groups to use as riding or driving horses. The rest go for meat. UPF is one of many organizations actively buying foals at auction and finding homes for them. Stringfield also has concerns about mares, citing Wyeth's 30 minutes every two weeks exercise regulation when mares are on-line.
Dr. Sarah Ralston, associate professor of equine science at Cook College, Rutgers, and an expert on equine nutrition, has traveled to North Dakota for the past three summers and brought PMU foals back to New Jersey. The foals are used for research studies, such as the use of vitamin supplementation in the reduction of disease for long-haul transport. Ralston's students gentle the foals and teach them basic ground manners. They are sold in the spring at a benefit auction for Rutgers' equine programs. This year's auction is April 28 and 11 fillies, including purebred Quarter Horses and Belgian/Quarter Horse crosses, will be up for bid.
According to Ralston, "The treatment of the mares is now highly regulated by Wyeth on the licensed Premarin farms. There are strict regulations that insure the humane treatment of the mares, especially when they are "on-line" in both Canada and the U.S. If ranches don't comply with the requirements for stall size, cleanliness, ventilation, feed, water and veterinary/farrier care, their contracts are revoked. Ranches are inspected at least twice a year. Mares are given thorough veterinary inspections two or three times a year - more than the average pleasure horse, according to recent USDA statistics. This is probably the most controlled and regulated equine industry in the world!"
As to the 30-minute exercise regulation, Ralston observes: "It is a minimum - most ranchers I have spoken to say they let the mares out ?as needed,' which means if they get stocked up or antsy before the two-week deadline. The draft and quarter horse mares which predominate in the industry are perfectly content to stand in a nice, warm barn, eating all day next to their friends. Think about it - most of the farms are in the North Central plains, where from October through March there is three feet or more of snow on the ground and temperatures are usually below zero with the wind blowing! The ranchers say that when they do turn the mares out they might run around for a few minutes but then congregate at the barn door, asking to be let back in."
Ralston also disputes the notion of 10,000 foals dying from various causes each year. "There is less than 5 percent losses on the farms, which is about average for large breeding farms in the U.S."
The North American Equine Ranching Information Council represents those engaged in PMU farming. They have developed an incentive program to improve the marketing of the PMU offspring.
"NAERIC will match, dollar for dollar, up to one million, payouts awarded to approved horses when they are successful in designated competitions throughout North America," according to their website, www.naeric.org.
The Council also runs the North American Breeding Enhancement Program, which acquires or leases thoroughbred stallions to breed to the draft mares, creating foals for the sport horse market. A NAERIC spokeswoman says, "Now we are competition [for people who breed horses]. There is no monetary incentive to send a foal to slaughter."
"If people can be educated about the alternatives available to Premarin, there is the solution," says Stringfield. There are several synthetic estrogen replacement drugs on the market, but none are as widely prescribed as Premarin.
Says Ralston, "The Premarin industry has been in place for over thirty years and provided a lot of benefits to women world-wide. It is not going to go away."
MU Foal Controversy
With increasing demand for hormone replacement drugs made from pregnant mare's urine (PMU), there is growing concern over what will happen to the foals born in the process. Eleven go on sale at Rutgers University April 28. By Jane Meggitt
There are few more controversial or emotional issues in the horse world than that of the PMU foals. PMU stands for Pregnant Mares' Urine, which is used in the production of Premarin, a hormone replacement drug for menopausal women manufactured by Wyeth Ayerst. As the baby boomers age, there will be more of a demand for such therapies; the question is, what happens to the foals born because the farmer needs their mother's urine?
The California-based United Pegasus Foundation states, in 2001, there were 450 PMU farms in Canada and 50 in the U.S., with approximately 60,000 mares. Mares are hooked up to urine collection devices, and stand on-line in large barns. Collection is generally from October to March, and the mares give birth in the spring. They are usually re-bred within a few weeks of foaling. Foals are sent to auction in September.
UPF board member Lara Stringfield claims about 10,000 of the foals die young, for various reasons, including early weaning. She estimates another ten thousand are bought at sales by individuals or groups to use as riding or driving horses. The rest go for meat. UPF is one of many organizations actively buying foals at auction and finding homes for them. Stringfield also has concerns about mares, citing Wyeth's 30 minutes every two weeks exercise regulation when mares are on-line.
Dr. Sarah Ralston, associate professor of equine science at Cook College, Rutgers, and an expert on equine nutrition, has traveled to North Dakota for the past three summers and brought PMU foals back to New Jersey. The foals are used for research studies, such as the use of vitamin supplementation in the reduction of disease for long-haul transport. Ralston's students gentle the foals and teach them basic ground manners. They are sold in the spring at a benefit auction for Rutgers' equine programs. This year's auction is April 28 and 11 fillies, including purebred Quarter Horses and Belgian/Quarter Horse crosses, will be up for bid.
According to Ralston, "The treatment of the mares is now highly regulated by Wyeth on the licensed Premarin farms. There are strict regulations that insure the humane treatment of the mares, especially when they are "on-line" in both Canada and the U.S. If ranches don't comply with the requirements for stall size, cleanliness, ventilation, feed, water and veterinary/farrier care, their contracts are revoked. Ranches are inspected at least twice a year. Mares are given thorough veterinary inspections two or three times a year - more than the average pleasure horse, according to recent USDA statistics. This is probably the most controlled and regulated equine industry in the world!"
As to the 30-minute exercise regulation, Ralston observes: "It is a minimum - most ranchers I have spoken to say they let the mares out ?as needed,' which means if they get stocked up or antsy before the two-week deadline. The draft and quarter horse mares which predominate in the industry are perfectly content to stand in a nice, warm barn, eating all day next to their friends. Think about it - most of the farms are in the North Central plains, where from October through March there is three feet or more of snow on the ground and temperatures are usually below zero with the wind blowing! The ranchers say that when they do turn the mares out they might run around for a few minutes but then congregate at the barn door, asking to be let back in."
Ralston also disputes the notion of 10,000 foals dying from various causes each year. "There is less than 5 percent losses on the farms, which is about average for large breeding farms in the U.S."
The North American Equine Ranching Information Council represents those engaged in PMU farming. They have developed an incentive program to improve the marketing of the PMU offspring.
"NAERIC will match, dollar for dollar, up to one million, payouts awarded to approved horses when they are successful in designated competitions throughout North America," according to their website, www.naeric.org.
The Council also runs the North American Breeding Enhancement Program, which acquires or leases thoroughbred stallions to breed to the draft mares, creating foals for the sport horse market. A NAERIC spokeswoman says, "Now we are competition [for people who breed horses]. There is no monetary incentive to send a foal to slaughter."
"If people can be educated about the alternatives available to Premarin, there is the solution," says Stringfield. There are several synthetic estrogen replacement drugs on the market, but none are as widely prescribed as Premarin.
Says Ralston, "The Premarin industry has been in place for over thirty years and provided a lot of benefits to women world-wide. It is not going to go away."
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alwayz_remember_Calvery
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Tumbleweed64 said:There's always someone who has to come along and debate my posts....
Keeps life interesting that way
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hm... well... it's not nearly as horrific as i'd origially thought, but i still don't think i'll be taking premarin just b/c now i know that it comes from horse urine. *wrinkled nose* and i know, there are lots of things that i consume every day that are made from equally disgusting animal parts, but as long as i don't know about them, i'm okay with it. however, once you tell me that a pill that i'm taking came from horse urine, i'd try to find some other way to alleviate the symptom. that's just me, though. interesting post.
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Tumbleweed64 said:There's always someone who has to come along and debate my posts....
Are you saying the stuff posted is a lie, or that no one should show both side of an argument ?
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This is NOT a debate board mind you! I posted some info that I felt was horrible and sad and somebody had to come along and make light and discredit of what I had said, which, in my opinion, is NOT cool! I guess some people just have to try and prove that they are "better and smarter" than the rest of us!Quantos said:
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Well I know that I do not believe this statement for one minute!
"MYTH: The mares are force bred immediately after giving birth.
"MYTH: The mares are force bred immediately after giving birth.
"FACT: The mares foal starting in early May. The stallions are turned out with each herd of mares on June 1. The mares breed naturally during the months of June and July. "
My daughter used to work at an Arabian Horse farm, and I will say I have read about horses for most of my life and I know this is bologna, about stallions running with the mares and breeding naturally! It does not happen that way.Horse farms have "breeding barns". My daughter's job was taking the mares to the stud to be bred. The percentage of horse farms that would breed this way is miniscule,if any at all! So if they would lie about one point?????
My daughter used to work at an Arabian Horse farm, and I will say I have read about horses for most of my life and I know this is bologna, about stallions running with the mares and breeding naturally! It does not happen that way.Horse farms have "breeding barns". My daughter's job was taking the mares to the stud to be bred. The percentage of horse farms that would breed this way is miniscule,if any at all! So if they would lie about one point?????
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I've no doubt there are abuses associated with the production of Premarin, but they're not inherent to the production of the drug. If the breeders are behaving responsibly, I don't see a problem with it...it's in the breeders' best interest to produce quality foals and sell them to equestrians, since that's an additional and significant source of income.
The vast, vast majority of horses that end up in slaughterhouses end up there for reasons other than Premarin production. The horse industry need to take a serious look at dishonest horse dealers, low-quality vet care or owners who neglect to have their animals seen by the vet, unqualified trainers and overbreeding of fad breeds and "pasture ornaments".
The vast, vast majority of horses that end up in slaughterhouses end up there for reasons other than Premarin production. The horse industry need to take a serious look at dishonest horse dealers, low-quality vet care or owners who neglect to have their animals seen by the vet, unqualified trainers and overbreeding of fad breeds and "pasture ornaments".
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