Please Pray!!!!

[xLizx]

Hey y'all... I have a huge prayer request. My brother Alex just told me yesterday that he has stage 3 lung cancer, and has less than a year to live. There's absolutely nothing that can be done to cure him...the cancer has spread to both of his lungs and is already in his bloodstream. He and I are really close, so this news has pretty much shattered my world. I'm in complete shock and at a total loss for what to do. He's only 19 years old. I guess the only thing that can be done now is to pray that somehow God will completely take the cancer away and save his life. I know the likelyhood of that happening is pretty much non-existent...but for that small 0.01% chance it could happen, I'd like to ask that everyone pray for him to be healed. I don't think I'd be able to handle losing my brother. Please also keep me in your prayers, that I don't do something stupid that I would regret. Thank y'all so much!!! I'm trying to stay strong and not just give up...but this is just so unbelievably hard. :'(
Sincerely, Tesla

Please change your mindset when you say that they likelyhood of him being healed is very slim. The likelyhood of his healing from Jesus is 100%, we know that because Jesus said it himself.

I command in Jesus name the cancer to come out of the body of Alex....and never ever return......in Jesus name we pray.

Stay strong and never forget God's promises.

 

[Tee_w]

Do you believe in supernatural divine healing, that is without the aid of medical or surgical procedures? Do you believe in, or practice the laying on of hands to effect a miracle cure that cannot be explained by medical science?

"And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."
Jesus's, God's words, Mark 2:17

Luke 5:31 Jesus answered them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

Matthew 9:12 On hearing this, Jesus said, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick."

Jesus, who IS God, states, "The sick go to physicians."

Jesus, who is God, wants us to help people through medical care, through e.g., access to physicians. "Heal the sick" can be done through this way, as He commands it. The sick NEED a doctor.

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Why is it people in America are so hostile to giving people access to medical care, a human right? Most other countries have it, 36 according to the OECD, with only the U.S. and Mexico having similar coverage (very low). Rich people can just fly to other countries for care.

When I go into healthcare, you bet I'm going to be pushing for equal access to medical care, a human right. Depending on how far up I can get throughout my life time, I'll either be investing part of my income and/or helping people get access to it if they cannot afford it, e.g., giving it myself or paying for it. It depends on how "up the ladder" this is... like RN, nurse practitioner... or Physician or specialist... right now I'm trying to get into the program. 2014 is just too far away and should be NOW, and MORE involved than what is planned.

Jesus willing... Thank Jesus this is getting in somehow, but it needs to be NOW and BETTER than what it is. "The sick go to physicians."[/quote]

Since you have not answered my question but rather have evaded it altogether, am I to conclude that you don't believe in divine healing; that is supernatural miracles that have nothing to do with medical science.

 

[Christian7PraiseJesus]

Hey y'all... I have a huge prayer request. My brother Alex just told me yesterday that he has stage 3 lung cancer, and has less than a year to live. There's absolutely nothing that can be done to cure him...the cancer has spread to both of his lungs and is already in his bloodstream. He and I are really close, so this news has pretty much shattered my world. I'm in complete shock and at a total loss for what to do. He's only 19 years old. I guess the only thing that can be done now is to pray that somehow God will completely take the cancer away and save his life. I know the likelyhood of that happening is pretty much non-existent...but for that small 0.01% chance it could happen, I'd like to ask that everyone pray for him to be healed. I don't think I'd be able to handle losing my brother. Please also keep me in your prayers, that I don't do something stupid that I would regret. Thank y'all so much!!! I'm trying to stay strong and not just give up...but this is just so unbelievably hard. :'(
Sincerely, Tesla

Wow!! Thanks for that info...I had NO IDEA!!! Unfortunately, I'm sure it would be a LOT of money to get my brother to a place in Japan...and he has no money. He's living in a homeless shelter right now, and can't even afford a regular homeopathic doctor, let alone a trip to Japan All we have is each other, and I would help him if I could...but I don't work and am a stay-at-home mom, and it takes all of my husbands finances to care of the three of us...so I'm not at a place to be able to pay for anything for him, either

I can give $1,000 to help, 1/10th of the cost, will another 10 people stand with me?

James 2:14 Dear brothers, what's the use of saying that you have faith and are Christians if you aren't proving it by helping others? Will that kind of faith save anyone? James 2:15 If you have a friend who is in need of food and clothing, James 2:16 and you say to him, "Well, good-bye and God bless you; stay warm and eat hearty," and then don't give him clothes or food, what good does that do? James 2:17 So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. You must also do good to prove that you have it. Faith that doesn't show itself by good works is no faith at all--it is dead and useless. James 2:18 But someone may well argue, "You say the way to God is by faith alone, plus nothing; well, I say that good works are important too, for without good works you can't prove whether you have faith or not; but anyone can see that I have faith by the way I act." James 2:19 Are there still some among you who hold that "only believing" is enough? Believing in one God? Well, remember that the demons believe this too--so strongly that they tremble in terror! James 2:20 Fool! When will you ever learn that "believing" is useless without doing what God wants you to? Faith that does not result in good deeds is not real faith.

James 2:21 Don't you remember that even our father Abraham was declared good because of what he did when he was willing to obey God, even if it meant offering his son Isaac to die on the altar? James 2:22 You see, he was trusting God so much that he was willing to do whatever God told him to; his faith was made complete by what he did--by his actions, his good deeds. James 2:23 And so it happened just as the Scriptures say, that Abraham trusted God, and the Lord declared him good in God's sight, and he was even called "the friend of God." James 2:24 So you see, a man is saved by what he does, as well as by what he believes.




1 John 3:17 But if someone who is supposed to be a Christian has money enough to live well, and sees a brother in need, and won't help him--how can God's love be within him ? 1 John 3:18 Little children, let us stop just saying we love people; let us really love them, and show it by our actions. 1 John 3:19 Then we will know for sure, by our actions, that we are on God's side, and our consciences will be clear, even when we stand before the Lord.



Mat. 25:37 "Then these righteous ones will reply, 'Sir, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you anything to drink? Mat. 25:38 Or a stranger, and help you? Or naked, and clothe you? Mat. 25:39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison, and visit you?' Mat. 25:40 "And I, the King, will tell them, 'When you did it to these my brothers you were doing it to me!' Mat. 25:41 Then I will turn to those on my left and say, 'Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons. Mat. 25:42 For I was hungry and you wouldn't feed me; thirsty, and you wouldn't give me anything to drink; Mat 25:43 a stranger, and you refused me hospitality; naked, and you wouldn't clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn't visit me.' Mat. 25:44 "Then they will reply, 'Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?' Mat 25:45 "And I will answer, 'When you refused to help the least of these my brothers, you were refusing help to me.' Mat. 25:46 "And they shall go away into eternal punishment; but the righteous into everlasting life."


In JESUS'S, who is God's, name. "If you love Me, you will follow My commandments"
"Then Jesus, beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thy hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow Me."
Jesus's, God's commandments and words, Mark 10:21

 

[Christian7PraiseJesus]

Since you have not answered my question but rather have evaded it altogether, am I to conclude that you don't believe in divine healing; that is supernatural miracles that have nothing to do with medical science.

Your questions seemed to be aimed at creating excuses to not do Jesus's, who is God, bidding to help those who are sick --- that people on earth should not help each other.

Here is a 19 year old who has lung cancer and cannot afford a physician, and probably if there was universal health care and more aid to the poor may have 1) could have never received lung cancer for they wouldn't be homeless and could achieve a better life, 2) if they still would get lung cancer they would be diagnosed earlier (stage I or II) instead of stage III,

3) if doing Jesus's, God's, commandments to help the sick and the poor became a priority, then the quality of health care would match that of Japan's lung cancer survival rates (66% there for all stages in some hospitals... 30% and above for stage IIIB, even better for stage IIIA.... vs. 16 % here for ALL stages), and a worldwide view to learn from all 7 billion people on the earth to come together with solutions to help humankind's sick.

Actions speak louder than words and thoughts. We are to do what Jesus commands to help the sick --- IMO it appears to me your questions have been evasions to avoid the problem and commandments to help the sick-- to come up with excuses to not help this person as well as others. Begging the question and avoiding actually taking action to fulfill His commandments.

Do you not think Jesus, God, sends people to help others? For indeed, He can compel them to help others through the Holy Spirit, God's form of guidance. He can put ideas and hints into people's heads as to how to best help a person, perform a procedure, and what is wrong with a person medically and how to help them. Jesus, God, sends people to help others by compelling them to do so, with ideas, hints, knowledge to help people.

I see it as this parable from the Pursuit of Happiness:
Dad, listen to this.

One day, a man was drowning
in the water.

And a boat came by and said,
"Do you need any help?"

He said, "No, thank you.
God will save me."

Then another boat came by.
Said, "Do you need any help?"

And he said, "No, thank you.
God will save me."

Then he drowned,
and he went to heaven.

And he said, "God,
why didn't you save me?"

And God said, "I sent you
two big boats, you dummy."

Do you like it?

Aide toy, Dieu te aidera - The pursuit of happyness - YouTube


As you see, people are to ACT to help others, indeed, they can be compelled by Jesus, God, to help others through God's use of His Holy Spirit, God's form of guidance. Jesus, God, can send people to help others. Do you not think Jesus, God, can send people to help others? That He cannot compel them to have the idea, hints, and knowledge to lead them to find the right way to help that person medically?

For, I think the Holy Spirit, God's form of guidance, could be leading me to try to help this person and I think, it should be compelling you, too, and everyone else, especially those with the ability in the medical field to give them medical care or send them to one who can (over seas in this instance) to help them, too.

"The healthy do not need a physician, but the sick DO."
Jesus's, God's words, a commandment.

 

[Jo1]

Praying for Alex
God bless love Joxxx

 

[johnandtraci]

How is your brother dear one?

 

[Juliet13]

How is your brother dear one?

As far as I know, he's the same. Nothing has changed...which is at least good in the fact that it hasn't gotten worse! I'd like to see it starting to get better tho
Aside from that, he is making some really REALLY stupid decisions right now, but he won't listen to me (or anyone else for that matter!) and just says he's "living life to the fullest" and makes excuses like that. A lot of his decisions could very well come back to bite him in the butt and hurt him a lot. It makes me really angry to watch him do this to himself...but it also makes me so worried!

 

[johnandtraci]

As far as I know, he's the same. Nothing has changed...which is at least good in the fact that it hasn't gotten worse! I'd like to see it starting to get better tho
Aside from that, he is making some really REALLY stupid decisions right now, but he won't listen to me (or anyone else for that matter!) and just says he's "living life to the fullest" and makes excuses like that. A lot of his decisions could very well come back to bite him in the butt and hurt him a lot. It makes me really angry to watch him do this to himself...but it also makes me so worried!

I understand youre concern sister. i have someone close to me that needs to take better care of himself and how worried we can get! Youre bro being a Christian is an amazing gift tho! You know the lord is filled w compassion and rich in mercy! I have a few prayer warriors and today i will ask them to pray. also this forum, my goodness girl, ive had impossible prayers come true.!!! Keep strong sister. jesus has got you and youre bros back! Hugz. p.s. i struggle w all sorts of things, but his mercies are new each day.

 

[Juliet13]

I understand youre concern sister. i have someone close to me that needs to take better care of himself and how worried we can get! Youre bro being a Christian is an amazing gift tho! You know the lord is filled w compassion and rich in mercy! I have a few prayer warriors and today i will ask them to pray. also this forum, my goodness girl, ive had impossible prayers come true.!!! Keep strong sister. jesus has got you and youre bros back! Hugz. p.s. i struggle w all sorts of things, but his mercies are new each day.

Thank you so much for letting other people know what's going on and getting us as much support as possible! I really appreciate that. The more prayers, the better!!
I hope this impossible prayer comes true...I'm having faith the best that I can!! Yes, it is good that my brother is a Christian...but he's not behaving that way at all. Honestly, he's kind of just gone off the deep end

 

[Christian7PraiseJesus]

Thank you so much for letting other people know what's going on and getting us as much support as possible! I really appreciate that. The more prayers, the better!!
I hope this impossible prayer comes true...I'm having faith the best that I can!! Yes, it is good that my brother is a Christian...but he's not behaving that way at all. Honestly, he's kind of just gone off the deep end

I would also if I was in that position. Probably feeling pretty angry at the world right now.

Look, he has to receive medical treatment for his lung cancer. He can't just stay there helpless and needing help at the homeless shelter.

If you need help, seriously, I can give some help. For real, it's a commandment and I TRULY want to help you. If you set it up, I could give more money than what I wrote before. That's really the only way I can help since I live across the country. I donate before and want to continually increase it "freely as you receive, freely give"

"In recent years the government has also started taking measures to expand the business, including a program started in January 2011 to issue entry visas for people coming to the country for medical treatment. The visas allow travelers entering Japan to receive medical care for up to a six-month stay, or double the period under a regular tourism visas."

Medical tourism — a boat to be on


"An international information desk for the IMS Group

The International Medical Support Center was newly established in the autumn of 2010 and serves as an international information desk, helping patients from abroad make optimal use of the 96 medical facilities of the IMS Group."
Medical Support Center｜Medical Tourism｜IMS Group Japan

AAA International Inc.｜Medical Tourism

"Same goes for the myth of high cost.
Certainly, we must acknowledge the excessively-appreciated Japanese Yen. However, the fact and figure show the cost of healthcare in Japan is lower than the one in US, and similar to Germany.

Therefore, if US citizens think of going abroad for healthcare at lower costs, they are able to consider Japan as their destination of Medical Tourism.
However, it is now necessary for Japan to make its promotion in more persuasive method to reach out and provide information to correct the false myths globally. Thus, it is definitely suffice to say there are lots to work on as we aim for further and successful development of Japanese medical tourism."

REPORT 7

Yen = .0097 for each dollar (so $969 = 100,000 yen)
Convert Yen to US Dollars

Offer to arrnge Medical tourism in Japan - JETRO TTPP(Trade Tie-up Promotion Program) - Proposal Detail - Business Matching Database (TTPP) - JETRO

Avg. 4k-15k in dollars according to above website.

World Focus | Special | Sumitomo Corporation

site:.jp into the search

"The New Growth Strategy, which was approved by the Japanese Cabinet in June 2010, sets out the national strategy of Japan for achieving economic growth as a tourism-oriented nation. Specifically, it states that, "By taking steps to attract more visitors from elsewhere in Asia and other foreign visitors to Japan, such as easing tourist visa requirements, creating appealing tourist attractions, improving the environment for foreign students studying in Japan, and undertaking publicity relations initiatives, Japan will increase the annual number of foreign visitors to 25 million by the beginning of 2020 and to 30 million in the future." To meet this objective, Japan took measures to ease the individual sightseeing visa requirements for Chinese in July 2010. As a result, approximately 3 to 8 times more visas were issued in each month after July 2010 compared to the same month of the previous year.


The Government of Japan also launched its services for the "Visa for Medical Stay" in January 2011. The aim of this visa is to promote Japanese medical services, such as medical check-ups and treatment, and related services in close cooperation with tourism. The visa is issued not only to patients but also their accompanying person(s) if necessary and as needed (multiple visas may be issued), and the system as a whole is designed to be more convenient, in consideration of humanitarian aspects, for foreign nationals wishing to visit Japan for medical purposes. We hope that the creation of the "Visa for Medical Stay" will encourage more foreign patients and others to visit Japan to access Japan's high-level medical technology and recuperate. At the same time, we hope that through touring Japan using this visa, visitors will experience the various aspects of Japanese culture and discover the many other appeals of Japan.

(For more information on the "Visa for Medical Stay," please refer to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website: MOFA: For those who would like to apply for the "Visa for Medical Stay")"
MOFA: Launch of the "Visa for Medical Stay": Medical Check-up, Treatment, and Sightseeing All in One Visit to Japan



Matthew 25:35-40

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

 

[Tee_w]

There actually could be more done than you think... depending on whether its IIIA or IIIB. I just assumed it was IIIB.

Though America does not seem to be good at treating lung cancer on average (16% overall) or Europe or Canada (though one province, Manitoba, is at 20%)... Japan is.

According to one chart:

Rank Hospital 5 years survival rate # of symptoms
1 National Cancer Center Hospital 65.7% 266
2 Osaka Medical Center for Cancer and Cardiovascular Diseases 55.5% 222
3 Shikoku Cancer Center 45.9% 135
4 Chiba Cancer Center 44.5% 120
5 Tochigi Cancer Center 43.6% 144
6 Niigata Cancer Center 42.4% 295
7 Hyogo Cancer Center 38.7% 242
8 Kanagawa Cancer Center 36.4% 228
9 Miyagi Cancer Center 30.0% 133
10 Hokkaido Cancer Center 27.8% 160
Five year survival rate of lung cancer patients (Hospital Ranking) | Medical Travel Japan

In another source, I saw they said the average was a low 30% overall, which they said was low. That is at least double the U.S. rate and Europe's.
http://www.nistep.go.jp/achiev/ftx/eng/stfc/stt038e/qr38pdf/STTqr3801.pdf

Here are some case studies I found from Japan:

"Five patients were in pathological stage (p-stage) IA, nine in p-stage IB, five in p-stage IIB, two in p-stage IIIA, and one in stage IIIB. The overall 3-, and 5-year survival rates of these patients were 85.2 and 77.7%, respectively, with no significant difference compared to those of the remaining patients without sarcoid reaction. " (Year 2007)
Science Links Japan | Surgical Results of Lung Cancer with Sarcoid Reaction in Regional Lymph Nodes

"Between January 1993 and January 1998, we operated on 19 patients with stages III non-small-cell lung cancer by bronchovascular reconstruction. Results: Nineteen patients underwent bronchial sleeve resection and pulmonary artery reconstruction. In all patients operated, resection was radical with histologically negative margins. In 17 of the patients, no postoperative complications occurred, and two patients had wound infections. After postoperative follow-up of 5 to 60 months. The 1-3-year survival rates were 83% and 39%. " Science Links Japan | Bronchovascular Reconstruction in Patients with Stage III Non-Small-Cell Lung Cancer.

"We studied for the purpose of revealing the long-term prognosis of the surgical treatment for pathological stage III lung cancer. Method: Two hundred fifty-four patients with pathological stage III disease who underwent surgical procedures in our hospital from 1981 to 2000 were investigated retrospectively. The 5- and 10-year survival rates of 144 patients with stage III A disease were 35 and 25%, while those of 110 patients with III B disease were 30 and 16%. " (the 2nd #'s are for 10 year survival rates) Science Links Japan | Long-term Prognosis after Surgery for Pathological Stage III Lung Cancer

"This study clarified the results of surgery for primary lung cancer based on the new international staging system. Background: On December 1997, the Japan Lung Cancer Society adopted a new TNM staging system which had already received international recognition.The subjects of this study were 1062 consecutive previously untreated patients who underwent pulmonary resection for primary non-small cell lung cancer between January 1975 and December 1992. Results: The postoperative 5-year survival rate for all patients was 58.5%. Pathological staging demonstrated a survival rate which was 73.2% in stage I, 46.8% in stage II, 26.7% in stage III, and 20.0% in stage IV. In the staging subgroups, the survival rate was 79.6% in stage IA, 62.4% in stage IB, 62.2% in stage IIA, 42.0% in stage IIB, 26.9% in stage IIIA, and 26.3% in stage IIIB. " Science Links Japan | Results of Surgery for Primary Lung Cancer Based on The New International Staging System.

"For 32 cases of advanced lung cancer at IIIA and IIIB stages, the successful rate, complications and prognosis of induction chemoradiotherapy were examined. As the chemotherapy, the combination chematherapy mainly with Pt pharmaceuticals was performed, and as the radiation, 40Gy was irradiated simultaneously. Successful rate of the chemoradiotherapy was 59.4% and the resection rate was 87.5%, and both the tumor reduction effect and histological effect were excellent. As for toxicity, neutropenia was 23 cases and thrombocytopenia was 6 cases, the acomplished rate of chemoradiotherapy was 87.5%, and there was no death related to the preoperative therapy. Postoperative complication was 10 cases, and operation death was recognized in 1 case. As for the prognosis, MST was 31.8M, and the 5-year survival rate was 29.8%. New anticancer drug-administrated group was in a tendency to be with better prognosis than conventional anticancer drug-administrated group." (Year 2006)
Science Links Japan | Induction chemoradiotherapy for locally advanced non-small cell lung cancer

"General outcome of surgery. We operated on 1373 lung cancer patients during 15 years (male/female;997/376, age;15-86, AD/SQ/others;783/488/102, pneumonectomy/lobectomy/segmentectomy/others:66/984/194/129). Five years survival of stage I was 73%, Stage II, 53%, Stage III 29%, respectively. 2. Extended segmentectomy for small sized tumor. Fifty fiver patients were observed more than 5years, and finally enrolled in the study. Four patients died of lung cancer, resulting 91.8% five year survival rate, and 6 died of other disease with no sigh of recurrence; for all ten patients, the rate was 81.8% at 5years." (Year 2000)
Science Links Japan | Surgical Treatment for lung cancer. Current topics.

Something to think about... Maybe try getting something in Japan? I mean, it is a higher chance

This forum was set up for people who have a ministry in divine healing which is entirely supernatural, not natural; which is the service the medical health professionals provide.

If you wish to campaign about health issues and the availability of health care or lack thereof you need to go to a social action forum not a divine healing forum.

 

[takemeasIam1925]

Hey y'all... I have a huge prayer request. My brother Alex just told me yesterday that he has stage 3 lung cancer, and has less than a year to live. There's absolutely nothing that can be done to cure him...the cancer has spread to both of his lungs and is already in his bloodstream. He and I are really close, so this news has pretty much shattered my world. I'm in complete shock and at a total loss for what to do. He's only 19 years old. I guess the only thing that can be done now is to pray that somehow God will completely take the cancer away and save his life. I know the likelyhood of that happening is pretty much non-existent...but for that small 0.01% chance it could happen, I'd like to ask that everyone pray for him to be healed. I don't think I'd be able to handle losing my brother. Please also keep me in your prayers, that I don't do something stupid that I would regret. Thank y'all so much!!! I'm trying to stay strong and not just give up...but this is just so unbelievably hard. :'(
Sincerely, Tesla

I am praying for your brother. What a devastating blow. My heart aches for you all. Please know I am praying that God will heal him miraculously

 

[Christian7PraiseJesus]

This forum was set up for people who have a ministry in divine healing which is entirely supernatural, not natural; which is the service the medical health professionals provide.

If you wish to campaign about health issues and the availability of health care or lack thereof you need to go to a social action forum not a divine healing forum.

If you are so suspicious of science, join the Christian Scientists - deadly. They have been CRIMINALLY prosecuted before for letting their children die by not giving them healthcare

"The right of Christian Science parents to withhold medical treatment from their children has many times been challenged in court."

"
A deadly religion is passing off as “Christian” and has been for more than a century. Not just spiritual death, but literal death as well; hundreds of people have died as a result of disease untreated because a Christian Scientist will tell you, sickness is only an illusion.


“Christian Science is one of the few religions in the world that contains a core teaching that is often deadly when put into practice,” James Beverley writes in The Nelson’s Illustrated Guide To Religions.




“Quiet carnage is a part of the Christian Science culture,” stated Linda Kramer, a former member who is now a born-again believer, in the article, “Christian Science: Attempting a Comeback.”


That culture is in fact, a cult, apologists say, and different from Christianity in every way.


“Christian Science deserves the title of cult since it departs from plain Bible teaching on major doctrines and the movement also adopts a potentially deadly view of how to deal with sickness,” Beverley, professor of Christian Thought and Ethics at Tyndale University, said in an email to The Christian Post.


“They don’t understand a lot of their bodies,” she said, which leads them to refuse medical treatment and leave illness untreated.


Beverley noted that “Christian Science is one of the few religious groups that has a deadly component or potential at its core.”


“The denial of the reality of physical disease and sickness has led … parents to keep their sick children from proper medical care. This sometimes results in death.”


Adults have died too, Kramer said. “It’s the history of little things that do get ‘cured’ – menstrual cramps, headaches – then you get cancer and think the same thing will happen.”


Fred Miller, director of True Light Education Ministry, which holds educational courses for Christians on cults, said he even saw his best friend die.


“When I was 14, my best friend at the time had appendicitis. His parents were Christian Scientists and his appendix burst and he died,” he said.
Miller also told of a less life-threatening event, where a grown man thought he was blind for several years because he wouldn’t visit an optometrist to get glasses.


“When I told him to put a pair of glasses on, he saw how deceived he was, and I got him into a Christian church,” he said.


Death and sickness are probably the cause of the significant drop in numbers recently, Miller said, though the religion attracted many big thinkers and celebrities at its peak in the early 1900s.


“It’s a dying religion,” he said “They’re dying out because they’re dying off. They don’t realize that at this point.”


“With modern medicine, it’s not attracting many.”


Cults in Culture: Christian Science – A Deadly Religion (Part 7)


Christian Scientists let their children DIE without healthcare - ILLEGAL and charged with manslaughter as well as felony child endangerment





In Child Deaths, a Test for Christian Science

NEW YORK TIMES


By DAVID MARGOLICK
Published: August 06, 1990







David and Ginger Twitchell, a Christian Science couple from Massachusetts who relied on prayer rather than on doctors as their young son lay dying from an obstructed bowel, were convicted of involuntary manslaughter last month. It was a stunning verdict, coming as it did in the very shadow of the Mother Church in Boston.




But the death of 2-year-old Robyn Twitchell and the conviction that followed was only the latest of a number of successful prosecutions of Christian Scientists whose children died agonizing deaths after spiritual healing failed.


While the tenets of the church, particularly its reliance on prayer in lieu of standard medical treatment, remain fundamentally unchanged since Mary Baker Eddy founded it in Boston in 1879, they have come under intense attack in courtrooms and state legislatures.

In the last 15 months Christian Scientist parents have been convicted of involuntary manslaughter, felony child abuse or child endangerment in two California cities, as well as in Arizona and Florida. Other prosecutions, in Santa Monica, Calif., and Minneapolis, have been dismissed, although prosecutors in Minnesota have appealed.


''The message has been sent,'' said John Kiernan, the prosecutor in the Twitchell case. ''Every parent of whatever religious belief or persuasion is obligated to include medical care in taking care of his or her child.''


Rita Swan of Sioux City, Iowa, a former Christian Scientist, has led the campaign for such prosecutions after being convinced that her reliance on spiritual healing was largely responsible for the death of her infant son


Dr. Norman C. Fost of Madison, Wis., who recently retired as head of the pediatrics academy's committee on bioethics, said: ''We're interested not just in kids who die. What we're concerned about are the hundreds and hundreds more who suffer from inadequate medical treatment.''


The campaign against spiritual healing has been fueled by growing concern over child abuse and recognition of children's rights. It has also been propelled - at times, almost single-handedly - by Mrs. Swan.




Mrs. Swan resorted to spiritual healing when her 2-year-old son, Matthew, took sick in November 1976. Christian Science practitioners attributed the boy's illness and his failure to improve to Mrs. Swan's decision to have surgery a few months earlier to remove a cyst - which had failed to respond to faith healing - as well as on a feud she was having with her father.
The boy died of meningitis in July 1977. Within days, Mrs. Swan broke with the church, and in 1983 she founded Child, an organization whose name is an acronym for Children's Healthcare Is a Legal Duty.


Suffering Unrelieved
The Christian Science prosecutions are united by common, horrific facts.


Elizabeth King, a 12-year-old in Phoenix, developed a tumor near her knee in the fall of 1987. Her parents called in a Christian Science practitioner. By the time the local authorities learned of the girl's condition, the tumor had ballooned; one nurse compared it in size to two watermelons. She died four weeks later. Her parents pleaded no contest to a charge of reckless endangerment.


Natalie Middleton-Rippberger of Santa Rosa, Calif., 8 months old, exhibited influenza-like symptoms on Nov. 25, 1984. By Dec. 2, she was warm to the touch and her eyes were constantly crossed. By Dec. 6, she had continuous convulsions. On Dec. 9, she died of meningitis. Her parents, Susan and Mark Rippberger, were convicted of felony child endangerment; the case is on appeal.


Amy Hermanson, 7, of Sarasota, Fla., took sick on Sept. 22, 1986. A week later, after her parents had returned from a Christian Science conference on healing in Indianapolis, her condition had worsened. The authorities learned of her condition and hastily scheduled an abuse hearing for the next day. Amy, who remained at home, died during the hearing; the cause of death was determined to be diabetes. Her parents, William and Christine Hermanson, were convicted of manslaughter; their conviction is being appealed.


Death From Diabetes

In late April 1989, Ian Lundman, 11, of Independence, Minn., developed a fever and began losing weight. By May 8, he had grown incoherent and incontinent, frequently gritting his teeth and suffering facial spasms. On May 9, he died. His mother and stepfather, William and Kathleen McKown, were charged with manslaughter. A judge dismissed the charges; that case is under appeal.


The appeal is supported by Douglas Lundman, the boy's natural father, who left the Christian Science faith. ''My son's life should have been protected by the Constitution of the United States and the Minnesota State Constitution, and I would hope that those instruments are upheld,'' he said.


''Were blisters, leeches and calomel the medical alternatives to prayer today,'' the court held, such a defense would ''more fully resonate.'' But, it continued, ''medical science has advanced dramatically, and we may fairly presume that the community standard for criminal negligence has changed accordingly.''


''Parents may be free to become martyrs of themselves, but it does not follow they are free to make martyrs of their children,'' the United States Supreme Court held in Prince v. Massachusetts, a 1923 ruling involving a Jehovah's Witness prosecuted for violating child labor laws by having her 9-year-old daughter peddle religious tracts.


In Child Deaths, a Test for Christian Science - New York Times






What's the Harm?


368,379 people killed, 306,096 injured and over $2,815,931,000 in economic damages


What's the harm in Christian Science?

What's the harm in Christian Science?

The Church of Christ, Scientist believes that members should turn to faith first for healing, but do not reject doctors. Sometimes they rely on faith a little too much, as these stories demonstrate. Read more about Christian Science
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[ThunderTongue]

Praying here as well. When the doctors say there is nothing they can do, that's a forced and perfect door to allow God to do what he already wants to do, and that's a COMPLETE TOTAL HEALING


We curse this cancer to its roots and tell it to leave in Jesus name, including all the attributes Involved with that mighty name

 

[REPHAIAHPEDAHEL]

By Jesus' stripes your brother was healed.

 

[Juliet13]

Thanks for the prayers, y'all!!

 

[ThunderTongue]

Why is there so much mention of "your faith" when it comes to divine willful healing done BY GOD??? All we need to do is believe him, do what he says and keep our eyes on HIM and not "our" faith

 

[Christian7PraiseJesus]

Something is gonna happen

A.c.t.i.o.n.

Do it

 

[Clay Vessel]

I will pray for your dear brother, that the Lord will heal him. If he doesn't know Jesus, now is the time to introduce him to the Savior. If he does know Jesus and he goes home to Heaven, please know that "doing something stupid" which I translate as suicide will not take you to where he is. Receiving Jesus as your Savior, repenting of your sins, and living the rest of your life for Him is the only way to make it to Heaven.

I recommend THE KEYS TO HEALING A Handbook for Miracles by Etty Blaney, available at THE KEYS TO HEALING: A Handbook for Miracles by Etty Blaney It teaches you how to pray and believe for healing and miracles.