Thanks for introduce yourself Christopher; I will need your advice with getting a sermon together. Its not easy for me to get what is in my head to the people. I am a preacher in training and need lots of help.
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Originally posted by psalms 22.3
well, well thought out sermons dont change lives.
inspiration from the holyspirit is better.
he always has the last words and thoughts from the throne room. as god said to jeremiah I WILL PUT MY WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. he can do the same with us.
a man filled and walking with the spirit, can preach a better sermon than anything you could ever learn to do.
the holyspirit can quicken your remembrance.
he can give you boldness.
he can give you revelation.
he can give you knowlegde. and anything else you need.
the truely effective way to preach is from being filled and used by the holyspirit, let him preach. its the anointing.
though im not saying you cant use notes or anything, i do that myself, just there is something greater and more important. notes and tactics are good, the holyspirits unction is better.
Dont worry everything is fine. YOu did not offeded me.im sorry if that seemed somehow offensive or something to you, i dont mean it that way, i really dont
you may be able to quote scripture. but you dont know what god wants said, you dont know what people need at the moment, you dont know how to help those needs, if you arent led by the spirit.
yes the word is all revelation, and we dont need new revelation
i mean specail revelation, as in new truthes, new meanings, things youve read over your entire life, yet you never saw it, and one day, god just shows it to you
yet you never saw it, and one day, god just shows it to you, and you go WHAO MOMMA! I NEVER SAW THAT BEFORE! theres no much more there than letters.
troy bell, my sunday school teacher.
and, lots of dead men like a.w. tozer, smith wigglesworth.
i also like t.d. jakes alot.
smith wigglesworth would have to be my altime greatest mentor, as in, i love his teaching and preachin alot, though i dont compare and make competitors of men.
you may be able to quote scripture. but you dont know what god wants said, you dont know what people need at the moment, you dont know how to help those needs, if you arent led by the spirit.
i mean, you dont know how those people feel right now, what they went through today, but the holyspirit does. you dont know the exact words they need to hear, but the holyspirit does.
yes GODS WORD is enough, but what part of gods word? if am in need of healing, i want to hear about how god can heal me. i do not need to hear a sermon or a teaching on the life of stephen, since that has a diffrent point to it.
maybe your preaching on how satan is the ruler of this world, but maybe someone needs to hear about how to prosper financaily. a diffrent part of the word.
you ask "who do we minister to?" at that time, you take a back seat and let the holyspirit say what he wants, then his will be done, and that is always best. becuase he knows the needs of the people as you do not, so he knows what is best said, as you do not. but unless you can hear the holyspirits voice, you cant do this, and unless youve been in prayer you cant hear him.
yes it is more beneificail to preach according to needs,
but how in the world do you know what they need? since you dont know their lives.
hmmmm
such unbiblical teachings as prosperity and word of faith?
well, just to let you know, i am pentecostal, and i will never agree with you that those things are unbiblical, i can quote you scripture all day why they are true.
Word of faith movement selected bibliography
An aberrational theology affirms essential orthodox Christianity, but it adds teachings that undermine the profession of true orthodoxy. A heretical theology, on the other hand, outright denies essential doctrines of Christianity, and groups that adhere to a heretical teaching are considered to be cults. Some of the best-known American television evangelists subscribe either in whole or in part to the unbiblical teaching known as positive confession, the faith teaching, or the prosperity message. Its chief representatives include Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Fred Price, Paul and Jan Crouch, John Avanzini, Benny Hinn, Marilyn Hickey, Creflo Dollar, Myles Munroe, and Rod Parsley. In the past, CRI has attempted to meet with some of the people listed above to dialogue with them concerning their false teachings; however, most of them have refused.
The major tenets of the Word of Faith movement betray the fact that it is in opposition to mainstream, evangelical Christianity. It asserts that God created human beings in Gods class as little gods. Before the fall, humans had the potential to exercise a God kind of faith and could call things into existence. Humans took on Satans nature by rebelling against God in the Garden of Eden, thus losing the ability to call things into existence. In order to correct this situation, Jesus Christ became a man, died spiritually (taking Satans nature upon Himself), went to hell, was born again, and rose from the dead with God's nature. After this, Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to duplicate the Incarnation in believers so they might fulfill their calling to be little gods. It follows, then, that those who have had the Incarnation duplicated in them by the Holy Spirit (thus giving them the ability to exercise the God kind of faith) should be successful in every area of their lives. Furthermore, hardships like indebtedness, illness, and even being left by ones spouse show lack of faith because these problems should be eliminated by claiming Gods promises. While certain details of the above outlined doctrine vary from teacher to teacher, the general outline remains the same. CRI considers this teaching in its complete form to be at best aberrational and at worst heretical.
The following bibliography lists a number of excellent books to aid you in your study of the Word of Faith movement. We have included the ordering information for books that can be purchased from the CRI bookstore, resource center, or Web site (www.equip.org) for informational purposes only. The fact that we carry certain books and not others does not necessarily imply that CRI endorses the books we carry over the books we do not. In addition, CRI does not necessarily endorse all of the views expressed in the books listed.
Tada, Joni Eareckson and Steve Estes. A Step Further: Growing Closer to God Through Hurt and Hardship. Grand Rapids,
MI: Zondervan, 2001.
The famous story of a young woman who became paraplegic and learned to glorify God when she was not healed; written at the lay level; 208 pages total
Hanegraaff, Hank. Christianity in Crisis. Eugene, OR: Harvest House, 1993.
This best-selling, award-winning book provides a thorough analysis and biblical refutation of the major teachings of the Word of Faith Movement; written at the lay level; 590 pages total
CRI ITEM #B400--$13.00 AUDIO BOOK: CRI ITEM #C139--$15.00
Fee, Gordon D. The Disease of the Health and Wealth Gospels. Costa Mesa, CA: The Word for Today, 1979.
Biblical critique of the Word of Faith movement's teaching that God wants all Christians to experience health and prosperity; written at the lay level; 31 pages total
CRI ITEM #P076--$2.50
McConnell, D. R. A Different Gospel. Peabody, MA: Hendrickson, 1995.
Offers the history of the doctrines of the Word of Faith movement and discusses related false teachings; includes foreword by Hank Hanegraaff; written at the lay level; 226 pages total
CRI ITEM #B099--$13.00
Parker, Larry and Don Tanner. We Let Our Son Die. Eugene, OR: Harvest House, 1980.*
Author Larry Parker and his wife tell how they lost their son because they stopped medical treatment believing in the Word of Faith movement teachings that in "faith" he would be healed; written at the lay level; 208 pages total
*OUT OF PRINT. Although this resource is out of print, it may be found at public libraries, seminaries, universities and colleges, used bookstores, and through Online book tracking services.
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Originally posted by eldermike
Hi all,
I am a 53 year old engineer/pastoral ministries student (6 hours to go). I am also a Christian musician and active in music ministry. I am currently an ordained elder in my home church. I plan to retire from design engineering (early) and let God show me where He wants me to be. I have been preaching some at area churches along with doing some special music. In all of my public working life I thought I would retire to a place on the lake, a boat and nothing but time for myself. That seems such a waste to me now, and all I want to do is introduce people to Jesus and see them grow into committed followers.
Blessings