Please Interpret Rev 10:11

[GenevieveM]

Rev 10:11

11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
KJV

What is it that John must prophecy again, and when? Thanks

Rev 10 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2 He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3 and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. 4 And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”
5 Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven. 6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, “There will be no more delay! 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”
8 Then the voice that I had heard from heaven spoke to me once more: “Go, take the scroll that lies open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.”
9 So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the little scroll. He said to me, “Take it and eat it. It will turn your stomach sour, but in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.” 10 I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. 11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”

What was written on that little scroll was sweet as honey in the mouth, but turned John's stomach sour.
A similar thing happened in Ezek 3 when God told Ezekiel to eat a scroll and go tell Israel what it said.

Having said that, look at the timing of the angel with the scroll. It says that "there will be no more delay" and that in the days when the 7th angel is about to sound, the mystery of God will be accomplished. In the next chapter, chapter 11, what is going on when the 7th angel is about to sound?

What is going on is that the two witnesses are resurrected and raptured which is exactly what happened to the church back in Rev 7 where John was prophesying about many nations, peoples, kindreds and tongues. Also, the devil finally has control over the nations, tribes, etc. and God is about to send Jesus to destroy.

The two witnesses being resurrected and raptured are a sign for Israel and the whole world that the snatching away of the church was real and they missed it. Not only that, but this is the moment when the devil finally has power over the whole earth (when the two witnesses are raptured) and God is about to destroy the kingdom of the beast and send Jesus along with his heavenly armies - Sweet as honey in the mouth but turns the stomach sour when they fully digest/understand it.

You see, Rev 12 and 13 make it very clear that the church will be dwelling in heaven when the antichrist begins his 3 1/2 years of power and he will be blaspheming not only God but we who dwell in heaven, the resurrected, raptured, glorified, blood-bought, believers of Christ.

Apparently there will be some kind of blasphemous lie told about us after we're gone by the antichrist but the resurrection and rapture of the two witnesses serves as proof of the truth, that we are with God.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 13:
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

When the antichrist finally overcomes the two witnesses and they are resurrected and raptured and the devil has control over all kindreds, tongues, nations, then the bowls of wrath are poured out on the kingdom of the beast followed by the 7th trumpet and then Jesus' coming on the clouds with the armies of heaven.

 

[mog144]

Rev 10 Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven. He was robed in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head; his face was like the sun, and his legs were like fiery pillars. 2 He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, 3 and he gave a loud shout like the roar of a lion. When he shouted, the voices of the seven thunders spoke. 4 And when the seven thunders spoke, I was about to write; but I heard a voice from heaven say, “Seal up what the seven thunders have said and do not write it down.”
5 Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven. 6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, “There will be no more delay! 7 But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”
8 Then the voice that I had heard from heaven spoke to me once more: “Go, take the scroll that lies open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.”
9 So I went to the angel and asked him to give me the little scroll. He said to me, “Take it and eat it. It will turn your stomach sour, but in your mouth it will be as sweet as honey.” 10 I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour. 11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”

What was written on that little scroll was sweet as honey in the mouth, but turned John's stomach sour.
A similar thing happened in Ezek 3 when God told Ezekiel to eat a scroll and go tell Israel what it said.

Having said that, look at the timing of the angel with the scroll. It says that "there will be no more delay" and that in the days when the 7th angel is about to sound, the mystery of God will be accomplished. In the next chapter, chapter 11, what is going on when the 7th angel is about to sound?

What is going on is that the two witnesses are resurrected and raptured which is exactly what happened to the church back in Rev 7 where John was prophesying about many nations, peoples, kindreds and tongues. Also, the devil finally has control over the nations, tribes, etc. and God is about to send Jesus to destroy.

The two witnesses being resurrected and raptured are a sign for Israel and the whole world that the snatching away of the church was real and they missed it. Not only that, but this is the moment when the devil finally has power over the whole earth (when the two witnesses are raptured) and God is about to destroy the kingdom of the beast and send Jesus along with his heavenly armies - Sweet as honey in the mouth but turns the stomach sour when they fully digest/understand it.

You see, Rev 12 and 13 make it very clear that the church will be dwelling in heaven when the antichrist begins his 3 1/2 years of power and he will be blaspheming not only God but we who dwell in heaven, the resurrected, raptured, glorified, blood-bought, believers of Christ.

Apparently there will be some kind of blasphemous lie told about us after we're gone by the antichrist but the resurrection and rapture of the two witnesses serves as proof of the truth, that we are with God.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 13:
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

When the antichrist finally overcomes the two witnesses and they are resurrected and raptured and the devil has control over all kindreds, tongues, nations, then the bowls of wrath are poured out on the kingdom of the beast followed by the 7th trumpet and then Jesus' coming on the clouds with the armies of heaven.

Thank you, very good in my opinion but please may I ask: Are you then saying that this is what is to be "Prophesied" again, as if another presentation of the Revelation of Christ is given in the Last-day as it was given in John's day? I myself believe that Christ is Revealed again in the same manner as prophecy is repeated in the Last-day. We are still here awaiting His arrival.

 

[GenevieveM]

Thank you, very good in my opinion but please may I ask: Are you then saying that this is what is to be "Prophesied" again, as if another presentation of the Revelation of Christ is given in the Last-day as it was given in John's day? I myself believe that Christ is Revealed again in the same manner as prophecy is repeated in the Last-day. We are still here awaiting His arrival.

It sort of depends on the preposition from the Greek. Did the angel say, "you must prophesy about or before nations, tongues, etc"?

Along the timeline of Revelation, John prophecied about nations, peoples, languages, etc in Revelation 7 and then again in Revelation 13.

But the nations, tongues, etc. in Revelation 7 was the multitude (raptured church) while the nations, tongues, etc. in Revelation 14 are about those who are subjected to the devil before Christ comes.
As far as the word "kings" goes, John prophecied about "kings" in Revelation 6 (6th seal) which is also the timing of the rapture. And, of course, the world is apparently divided into 10 non-kings who are made kings in Rev 17.

If the Greek word (preposition) means "before", then it doesn't really make sense because Revelation 7 doesn't show John prophesying before that group the first time, let alone again.

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[mog144]

It sort of depends on the preposition from the Greek. Did the angel say, "you must prophesy about or before nations, tongues, etc"?

Along the timeline of Revelation, John prophecied about nations, peoples, languages, etc in Revelation 7 and then again in Revelation 13.

But the nations, tongues, etc. in Revelation 7 was the multitude (raptured church) while the nations, tongues, etc. in Revelation 14 are about those who are subjected to the devil before Christ comes.
As far as the word "kings" goes, John prophecied about "kings" in Revelation 6 (6th seal) which is also the timing of the rapture. And, of course, the world is apparently divided into 10 non-kings who are made kings in Rev 17.

If the Greek word (preposition) means "before", then it doesn't really make sense because Revelation 7 doesn't show John prophesying before that group the first time, let alone again.

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Either way, to prophesy "before" isn't pointing to "time" as it's indicating a people, nations, tongues, etc., just as speaking before the Congregation of a Church. The whole point of prophesying is to speak to others, to reveal as you pointed out the Ezekiel passages. You seem to use the scriptures carelessly, with contradictions. After considering all that you've written, let me ask you again,

Why does John "must prophesy again"? What is the significance of the word "Again"? Please stay focused.

 

[GenevieveM]

Either way, to prophesy "before" isn't pointing to "time" as it's indicating a people, nations, tongues, etc., just as speaking before the Congregation of a Church. The whole point of prophesying is to speak to others, to reveal as you pointed out the Ezekiel passages. You seem to use the scriptures carelessly, with contradictions. After considering all that you've written, let me ask you again,

Why does John "must prophesy again"? What is the significance of the word "Again"? Please stay focused.

Ok, maybe I'm not being clear. I'm saying there's an issue in translation.

John prophesied about people, nations, tongues in Rev 7. He was told to prophesy again about people, nations, tongues in Rev 10. He prophesies again about people, nations, tongues in Rev 13.

My point is that the proper preposition is "about" not "before". Saying that John must prophesy again "before" peoples, nations, tongues, as in talking in front of a congregation, doesn't make any sense because Revelation doesn't show him doing that in the first place.

He prophesied about people, nations, tongues, not before people, nations, tongues in Revelation.

KJV
11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

NIV
11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.”

When looking at the Greek, the word used is a preposition which can mean just about any preposition.

Epi - Greek Lexicon

 

[mog144]

Ok, maybe I'm not being clear. I'm saying there's an issue in translation.

John prophesied about people, nations, tongues in Rev 7. He was told to prophesy again about people, nations, tongues in Rev 10. He prophesies again about people, nations, tongues in Rev 13. Okay, Who is John speaking to "again"? Who are the people and what time in Prophecy?

My point is that the proper preposition is "about" not "before". Saying that John must prophesy again "before" peoples, nations, tongues, as in talking in front of a congregation, doesn't make any sense because Revelation doesn't show him doing that in the first place. So you say that the KJV is incorrect?

He prophesied about people, nations, tongues, not before people, nations, tongues in Revelation. Yes, John prophesied about people but what was the whole purpose of this Book of Revelation? Does it NOT also prophesy about the coming Messiah?

KJV
11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings. Exactly!

NIV
11 Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.” See what you're doing? Mixing NIV with other versions is dangerous, as words have been changed.

When looking at the Greek, the word used is a preposition which can mean just about any preposition.

Epi - Greek Lexicon

You are manipulating the writings of various Bible versions, NIV and KJV just so that you can play on words. I use only one Book, KJV, the NIV is the Non Inspired Version. The themes changed when the words did. You and I have nothing in common here so what's the use of carrying on this conversation?

Have a nice day my friend and please think about what you are doing.

 

[GenevieveM]

You are manipulating the writings of various Bible versions, NIV and KJV just so that you can play on words. I use only one Book, KJV, the NIV is the Non Inspired Version. The themes changed when the words did. You and I have nothing in common here so what's the use of carrying on this conversation?

Have a nice day my friend and please think about what you are doing.

Oh, so the problem is with Bible translations, then, huh?

I went to the Greek, which is the original language that Revelation was written in because the translation from the KJV (which I prefer) didn't make sense.

You obviously acknowledge that it doesn't make sense because you started this thread, trying to figure it out.

You do realize that Bible translators are not inspired of God and can be in error, right?

I've got another obvious one for you to check out: 2 Thess 2 The Greek word "apostasia" means departure, not departure from the faith. Unless you understand the original meaning of the Greek word Paul used, you'll never understand who the restrainer is.

All the best to you.

 

[mog144]

Oh, so the problem is with Bible translations, then, huh?

I went to the Greek, which is the original language that Revelation was written in because the translation from the KJV (which I prefer) didn't make sense.

You obviously acknowledge that it doesn't make sense because you started this thread, trying to figure it out.

You do realize that Bible translators are not inspired of God and can be in error, right?

I've got another obvious one for you to check out: 2 Thess 2 The Greek word "apostasia" means departure, not departure from the faith. Unless you understand the original meaning of the Greek word Paul used, you'll never understand who the restrainer is.

All the best to you.

"You obviously acknowledge that it doesn't make sense because you started this thread, trying to figure it out."

Starting a thread and asking questions doesn't mean that the OP didn't already know the answer. The purpose of many threads are to teach others and/or, in this case, to see what others believe so that I have a better knowledge of those who are deceived. It's not that I am unlearned.

 

[GenevieveM]

"You obviously acknowledge that it doesn't make sense because you started this thread, trying to figure it out."

Starting a thread and asking questions doesn't mean that the OP didn't already know the answer. The purpose of many threads are to teach others and/or, in this case, to see what others believe so that I have a better knowledge of those who are deceived. It's not that I am unlearned.

I think you are very learned. Maybe a little touchy/easily angered, but I appreciate that you seek the Truth. We have that in common.

 

[mog144]

I think you are very learned. Maybe a little touchy/easily angered, but I appreciate that you seek the Truth. We have that in common.

Bless you and keep seeking, Amen, sister!

 

[The Sodoq Zacharias]

When you become creator of the world, I might consider what you say.

Since that will never be...you continue to post whatever the superfulous verbiage you post is...and hopefully there's enough true gospel in it for you to find the truth.

John 10 ; 34 - 35 , Where It States ; 34Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, `I said "Ye are gods"'?


35If He called them gods unto whom the Word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), < K.J.V. >

 

[ebedmelech]

John 10 ; 34 - 35 , Where It States ; 34Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, `I said "Ye are gods"'?


35If He called them gods unto whom the Word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), < K.J.V. >

Quite wrong!

What you have here is how people look at leaders as gods, based on the power they have.

God makes this point to Moses when He sent him to Pharaoh in Genesis 7;1:
Then the Lord said to Moses, &#8220;See, I make you as God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron shall be your prophet.

The point is clear! Because of the power God demonstrates through Moses, he is LIKE GOD to Pharaoh, however it's clear he is not God.

When you try to make John 10;34, 35 make your point, you make the error of not knowing the scriptures, but "cherry picking" the scriptures!

Jesus is quoting Psalms 82! When you go there, you get the context:
Psalm 82:
God takes His stand in His own congregation; He judges in the midst of the rulers.
2How long will you judge unjustly And show partiality to the wicked? Selah.
3 Vindicate the weak and fatherless; Do justice to the afflicted and destitute.
4Rescue the weak and needy; Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.
5 They do not know nor do they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6 I said, &#8220;You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
7 &#8220;Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes.&#8221;
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth! For it is You who possesses all the nations.


This is about leaders of the people of Israel (as well as other nations), unjustly judging the people, taking bribes, and being partial in their judgments. They are "like gods" because of the power they have. But they are unjustly abusing that power. So in verses 6-8 God puts them in their place saying "I will judge you":
6 I said, &#8220;You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
7 &#8220;Nevertheless you will die like men And fall like any one of the princes.&#8221;
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth! For it is You who possesses all the nations.

Because of their abuse of power they will "die like men".

You're not a god! Rightly divide the word, and you'll understand.