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Ive finally been diagnosed with OCD. However, now I am scared to find out that maybe since I strugglewith believeing that I really believe and such thoughts that maybe I will find out that I am only made up of fear. That maybe the thoughts are all I have. Has anyone ever dealt with this before becoming a little better? And what do I do in the meantime since it gives me an overwhelming sense of fear.? I am afraid to find out that all I have are the negative, repetative thoughts of not really being a christian and that there is nothing else in me.
 

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i am sure that there is more to you then the awful thoughts. it may just be that you have just had the thoughts for so long that you are afraid of what you will be if they go away. when they go away you will be able to fill your mind with good things instead of the bad things that take up you mind right now.
 
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i am sure that there is more to you then the awful thoughts. it may just be that you have just had the thoughts for so long that you are afraid of what you will be if they go away. when they go away you will be able to fill your mind with good things instead of the bad things that take up you mind right now.
Thank you drumming man. I have always felt and still do that I dont believe. That is to a saving knowledge of belief(I mean the devils believe, right?). So I guess I am afraid that if this OCD clears up a little then will I still want to please the LOrd and such things. I am so consumed and selfish with this way of thinking that I fear there is nothing else of me, esp. lately, that even wants to (Im not sure how to say it), live for the Lord type thing.
 
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Who made your diagnosis? Are you being treated? I think a lot of people have felt that way...sort of a "what if this is it?" type of feeling. With treatment it gets better. You will slowly realize that OCD and the accompanying fear are only a tiny part of your being.
Thanks Stacii. I ran away from the Lord when I first thought I was saved at age 15 or so. For years I drank and partied my 20's away, although on and off I would still for short intervals try and "go back to God" but these fears and doubts of salvation would drive me away. Now I quit drinking so heavily and partying when I was 30 and met Brian, who I have lived with for the last 6 yrs. (recently married). Its always, not daily, been in the back recesses of my mind to figure out how to go back to the Lord, and have tried three months ago. I ended up in the hospital for 2 weeks, couldnt go to work or basically function...etc...now I found this website and I can identify with ppl like Rebecca and other scurpulos ppl or explanations of OCDers. I have now been diagnosed with ocd and i am even having trouble not doubting that! This just gets so old. I can bearly think about spiritual things anymore again but dont want to run away from them either. Any encouragement is welcomed. I feel like I am drifting away again.
 
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Shannon,
I too have a colored past....Many drugs, alcohol, fornication, and many many more ugly things.
I too just always had fear, i was afraid constantly of my salvation or that I was going to not do something right and not be forgiven.
Jesus does not turn anyone away Shannon, it is not His nature. He came to save the lost which is all of us!
He offers forgiveness and mercy, grace FREELY! We cant do anything to desearve or earn it, nothing....Gal. 2:16. Keep trusting in God's free gift, no matter how afraid you get or what you feel like....
Let His free gift sink into your heart.
I have picked scripture to focus on for 3 weeks, it was in a book that suggest telling yourself truth to transform the way we think of ourselves. I have OCD, scrupolosity, perfectionism. Trusting Jesus is the only foundation!!!, He wants us to bring our trouble to Him, it shows our faith, no matter how weak or small our faith is....please press on, He is with you, He knows your pain, He took it to the cross, remember!!
I prayed for you Shannon!!
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Shannon,
I too have a colored past....Many drugs, alcohol, fornication, and many many more ugly things.
I too just always had fear, i was afraid constantly of my salvation or that I was going to not do something right and not be forgiven.
Jesus does not turn anyone away Shannon, it is not His nature. He came to save the lost which is all of us!
He offers forgiveness and mercy, grace FREELY! We cant do anything to desearve or earn it, nothing....Gal. 2:16. Keep trusting in God's free gift, no matter how afraid you get or what you feel like....
Let His free gift sink into your heart.
I have picked scripture to focus on for 3 weeks, it was in a book that suggest telling yourself truth to transform the way we think of ourselves. I have OCD, scrupolosity, perfectionism. Trusting Jesus is the only foundation!!!, He wants us to bring our trouble to Him, it shows our faith, no matter how weak or small our faith is....please press on, He is with you, He knows your pain, He took it to the cross, remember!!
I prayed for you Shannon!!
Love,
Q
Thanks Q. I have this OCD really severly. It practically consumes my entire life (as long as I am actively seeking the Lord). I just want to know how to trust Him in my heart. I know my head will tell me all sorts of different things. I am afraid that somehow I really dont even want salvation, that somehow all I do anything for or out of, is FEAR.
 
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Hi Shannon! I so understand about feeling that fear is the basis that you seek God on. I still deal with that sometimes. A counselor once told me that the two overriding emotions in my life were fear and anger. I used to tell God that I had struggled with the fear over truly being saved for so long, that I didn't know how to be any different. It was all I knew. The fear and doubts seemed to be what I was made up of, so who would I be without them? As far as my thoughts would go, they would seem so deep and intense, yet I felt very shallow as a person. I struggled, and still do, with truly even wanting God in my life. But, I just can't go down that road anymore trying to figure it all out, because I never can figure it all out. My mind would twist and turn so many ways, and I would just be left feeling more hopeless. The thing is, I realize that without God, there is nothing else. I definitely don't always feel like seeking Him. In fact, I typically don't feel like it And I often feel lazy spiritually, but when I look at other relationships in my life, I often feel like I don't measure up there either. I just can't let my feelings run the show anymore. Of course, sometimes they do get the better of me, but they can for those without ocd too. OCD tries to keep us analyzing everything. We know how desperately important it is to know God, so it can really focus on our relationship with Him. My husband doesn't have ocd, but he still often doesn't have the desire to read the Bible and pray. I know what you mean by wanting a relationship with God that isn't based on fear. I still pray to have a relationship with Him that is based on love. The young lady who logs in as "unpardoned one" talked about this is one of her posts as well. I think a lot of it has to do with the way we see God. When I spend time with Him and see Him as a loving Father who smiles when I talk to Him, who gently wipes away my tears, One who loves me more than any earthly father could, then I desire more to spend time with Him. I still do a lot out of guilt, but I'm still learning that He isn't going to shake His head in disapproval, as I often saw Him doing, when I do come to Him. Think of the story Jesus told about the prodigal son. The father didn't scold his son and give him down the road for his mistakes, but welcomed him home with open arms. I've prayed and continue to pray that He teaches me His true nature as opposed to how I've seen Him in the past. Don't give up. I've felt like it so many times before, but God has never given up on me. My thoughts and feelings told me He had, but they lied. An excellent author is Max Lucado. I've been reading one of his devotional books, and it is so comforting. He helps me to see God the way that He really is. You are in my prayers.

Rebecca
 
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Hi, Shannon. I hope I understand what you mean, and please don't be offended if I am misundestanding you. I mention this because I hope my story of OCD will help you a little.

I was not a Christian before I was diagnosed. I had a severe breakdown in 2003, that was accompanied by a very profound experience with Jesus. That's when I joined this website and the Lord became every part of my life.

I actually became a Christian about 2 weeks before I was diagnosed. I had some similar fears to yours. But as I started taking the meds and going through the therapy, the obsessive thoughts weren't as strong as they had been before (they are still relatively strong, but life is a lot easier than it had been). My obsessions revolved around my soul and having to pray over and over, many times a day even when i wasn't a Christian to keep the Devil from taking my soul. I thought that once the obsessions calmed down, I might feel that I didn't need God anymore because the thoughts wouldn't plague me as much.

Just the opposite happened. As I continue to improve, my faith only grows. I hope that you can feel what I feel, but if you can clear the obsessions out, I am positive that your fears will relax. And when the obsessions are not as strong, I am sure you will have more time to feel free, to feel the love of Jesus and to do anything for him that you feel you should.

God bless, and I hope you will recover fully :)

Jacob
 
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It seems like the more we learn about the true nature of God - His greatness, love, mercy, revealed in the person of Jesus, the more these thoughts lose power. If God is so much better than we can think or imagine on a good day, then our anxious thoughts are even all the more worthless.


"For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Isaiah 55:8-9
 
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Hi Shannon! I so understand about feeling that fear is the basis that you seek God on. I still deal with that sometimes. A counselor once told me that the two overriding emotions in my life were fear and anger. I used to tell God that I had struggled with the fear over truly being saved for so long, that I didn't know how to be any different. It was all I knew. The fear and doubts seemed to be what I was made up of, so who would I be without them? As far as my thoughts would go, they would seem so deep and intense, yet I felt very shallow as a person. I struggled, and still do, with truly even wanting God in my life. But, I just can't go down that road anymore trying to figure it all out, because I never can figure it all out. My mind would twist and turn so many ways, and I would just be left feeling more hopeless. The thing is, I realize that without God, there is nothing else. I definitely don't always feel like seeking Him. In fact, I typically don't feel like it And I often feel lazy spiritually, but when I look at other relationships in my life, I often feel like I don't measure up there either. I just can't let my feelings run the show anymore. Of course, sometimes they do get the better of me, but they can for those without ocd too. OCD tries to keep us analyzing everything. We know how desperately important it is to know God, so it can really focus on our relationship with Him. My husband doesn't have ocd, but he still often doesn't have the desire to read the Bible and pray. I know what you mean by wanting a relationship with God that isn't based on fear. I still pray to have a relationship with Him that is based on love. The young lady who logs in as "unpardoned one" talked about this is one of her posts as well. I think a lot of it has to do with the way we see God. When I spend time with Him and see Him as a loving Father who smiles when I talk to Him, who gently wipes away my tears, One who loves me more than any earthly father could, then I desire more to spend time with Him. I still do a lot out of guilt, but I'm still learning that He isn't going to shake His head in disapproval, as I often saw Him doing, when I do come to Him. Think of the story Jesus told about the prodigal son. The father didn't scold his son and give him down the road for his mistakes, but welcomed him home with open arms. I've prayed and continue to pray that He teaches me His true nature as opposed to how I've seen Him in the past. Don't give up. I've felt like it so many times before, but God has never given up on me. My thoughts and feelings told me He had, but they lied. An excellent author is Max Lucado. I've been reading one of his devotional books, and it is so comforting. He helps me to see God the way that He really is. You are in my prayers.

Rebecca
Thanks Rebecca. I can identify with you so much and just reading this post has given me a little encouragement to go on. To keep seeking. I just want to and desire a relationship with the Lord that isnt based on that fear and I really like what you said about the prodical son...it really does show how compassionate and loving God really is. Thanks for reminding me.I have been put on new meds. starting last night.Hopefully they will help. I get so unsure of everything...I even have doubted that, even after I was diagnosed, that I am OCD. The fear is that I somehow cohersed my shrink into labeling me as such. I dont know. I guess I have to just relax and believe something from someone! Its very hard. -shannon
 
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It seems like the more we learn about the true nature of God - His greatness, love, mercy, revealed in the person of Jesus, the more these thoughts lose power. If God is so much better than we can think or imagine on a good day, then our anxious thoughts are even all the more worthless.


"For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Isaiah 55:8-9
Thanks Marcb. I always enjoy your scriptually, based posts. It is how I desire to think. I mean, that it seems you are able to just take Gods Word for what it is and I am not there yet. I mean, the words are there but it seems like I argue or refuse to be comforted by them. Anyways, I hope someday I'll be able to let it sink in that God is loving and not out to get me like I so often feel.
 
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We are all in this together, wrestling and struggling.

It's truly an amazing blessing that the Lord speaks to us through his Word in such fitting ways. When we have break through moments and successes I ask God to remind us of this:

This is what the LORD says:
"Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom
or the strong man boast of his strength
or the rich man boast of his riches,

but let him who boasts boast about this:
that he understands and knows me,
that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness,
justice and righteousness on earth,
for in these I delight,"
declares the LORD. Jeremiah 9:23-24
 
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