please help

[Dylan_Chica]

i'm a catholic and i go to mass but i also believe in YEC and i feel like every christian i talk to have other views than me on this, i mean why would god tell us something that isn't true, if he didn't create the world in six days then why say it and if the earth is more than 6000 years old then why say it is, i don't believe in evolution but i respect science but when i feel all alone with my beliefs they become undecicive (if that's the word) sometimes and that makes me sad, i hope i can make friends with some YEC's in here because i don't know any in real life (actually i don't know what my parents believe, they aren't the type to discuss their faith, they just go to mass), i feel like my faith is stumbling sometimes and it makes me feel hopeless and sad, i really hope this forum can help me with this and i ask that people who don't hold my views stay out of this thread please, what i need now is a little support, thank you

 

[vossler]

i'm a catholic and i go to mass but i also believe in YEC and i feel like every christian i talk to have other views than me on this, i mean why would god tell us something that isn't true, if he didn't create the world in six days then why say it and if the earth is more than 6000 years old then why say it is, i don't believe in evolution but i respect science but when i feel all alone with my beliefs they become undecicive (if that's the word) sometimes and that makes me sad, i hope i can make friends with some YEC's in here because i don't know any in real life (actually i don't know what my parents believe, they aren't the type to discuss their faith, they just go to mass), i feel like my faith is stumbling sometimes and it makes me feel hopeless and sad, i really hope this forum can help me with this and i ask that people who don't hold my views stay out of this thread please, what i need now is a little support, thank you

Dylan you've come to the right place, at least if that is here in the Creationism sub-forum. Evolutionists are not allowed to post here unless it is a fellowship post.

I agree with and empathize with everything you've said. God's Word is clear, unfortunately man's pride and ego won't allow him to believe it. Please don't feel hopeless and sad, remember you've got Jesus and the Holy Spirit with you wherever you go. Just put your trust in Him and He will renew your faith. Let go of your doubts and insecurities, He won't let you down; myself and others here might, but He won't.

Whatever you do, please don't believe you're all alone, there are quite a few fellow believers here. We may not be quite as vocal, but we're strong in the faith. If you should ever need encouragement or anything else, please don't hesitate to pm or email me. I'd be glad to listen and be there for you in anyway that I can.

 

[Dylan_Chica]

thank you vossler, i appreciate it

 

[LoG]

Welcome Dylan_Chica. I believe in a literal 6 day creation although I'm open to the earth being much older. It isn't an issue for me either way. A word of caution, be careful of too much participation in this particular part of the forum if your faith has been stumbling about this aspect of the bible. There are some here that will have you believing the creation story is a myth simply because of the scientific interpretation of the geological and fossil evidence. If you haven't already, you might want to research some YEC sites to get up to speed.

If you do wind up still having some doubts you can also look at Gap Theology.

God bless.

 

[Pats]

Hi Dylan_Chica

It seems I am in the opposite situation from you. I was raised a Baptist, very literal, very YEC. Most Christians I know in person don't know much about evolution, they're just sure it's already been proven to be faulty.

I came here to partly to learn more about science and Biblical theology. Anyway, I've been a YEC my whole life, if I can be of any help to you anytime, let me know.

It seems there are not as many creationists who post on this forum as there are evolutionists. At least not as many in the Origins Theology area. Do not become discouraged by this. A message board is by no means an accurate measure of popular opinion.

Nice to have you around.

 

[Dylan_Chica]

thanx pats, that means alot

 

[sjdennis]

i'm a catholic and i go to mass but i also believe in YEC and i feel like every christian i talk to have other views than me on this, i mean why would god tell us something that isn't true, if he didn't create the world in six days then why say it and if the earth is more than 6000 years old then why say it is, i don't believe in evolution but i respect science but when i feel all alone with my beliefs they become undecicive (if that's the word) sometimes and that makes me sad, i hope i can make friends with some YEC's in here because i don't know any in real life (actually i don't know what my parents believe, they aren't the type to discuss their faith, they just go to mass), i feel like my faith is stumbling sometimes and it makes me feel hopeless and sad, i really hope this forum can help me with this and i ask that people who don't hold my views stay out of this thread please, what i need now is a little support, thank you

Don't worry, the science clearly supports YEC! I was taught this by my parents and have time and again found it to be true through university.

However my parents no longer attend local churches, mainly because of vast disagreements about Creation. Christians who believe evolution can often be terribly hostile and insulting about it. My parents have been kicked out of and virtually kicked out of churches for their literal biblical beliefs on Creation and the Holy Spirit! And these were mainstream Baptist, Brethren and New Life churches!

In a more traditional Catholic setting, with many people that just go to Mass because they always have not necessarily because they have a strong faith (not labelling all Catholics here, all churches have these people, they are just often very common in more traditional denominations), I can imagine that there would sometimes be very harsh opposition. There are however also Catholics that believe in YEC, I have have many Catholic friends and know this for a fact.

Don't even consider the gap theory or any other compromise positions. These will slowly draw you into accepting evolution. Genesis clearly states a recent six-day creation, and this is well supported by science. Hang in there!


What country are you from? Someone may know someone in the area who you could get in touch with. Might be a long shot, but no harm in asking!

 

[ChetSinger]

Welcome Dylan_Chica. You're not alone. I'd like to recommend two web sites that have helped my faith in creation: www.answersingenesis.com and www.icr.org. Rebuttals for pretty much any evolutionary claim can be found somewhere there. Many of them written by PhDs, too.

I've been a believer in YEC for about 10 years now. It's great to read the bible and not have to make long and convoluted excuses for it.

 

[mark kennedy]

i'm a catholic and i go to mass but i also believe in YEC and i feel like every christian i talk to have other views than me on this, i mean why would god tell us something that isn't true, if he didn't create the world in six days then why say it and if the earth is more than 6000 years old then why say it is, i don't believe in evolution but i respect science but when i feel all alone with my beliefs they become undecicive (if that's the word) sometimes and that makes me sad, i hope i can make friends with some YEC's in here because i don't know any in real life (actually i don't know what my parents believe, they aren't the type to discuss their faith, they just go to mass), i feel like my faith is stumbling sometimes and it makes me feel hopeless and sad, i really hope this forum can help me with this and i ask that people who don't hold my views stay out of this thread please, what i need now is a little support, thank you

For one thing you should never put your faith on the line when dealing with the subject of orgins. Science looks at the here and now and that is all they have to work with whether they like it or not, whether they want to admit it or not. They have no real idea what was going on 6,000 years ago much less 3 billion years ago. There has never been a scientific instrument that can see into the ancient and primordial past.

Faith is not an easy road to take, trusting God can cost you a lot of anquish and you can struggle with hard questions. The world simply does not understand the Scriptures and you are never expected to prove the testimony of Scripture scientifically. It is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that confirms our faith in Christ and leads us into a mature understanding of the wonderful works of God in human history.

Feel free to PM me if you are interested in how science has completly misrepresented the evidence for evolution as history.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Jadis40]

The reason I believe in OLD earth creationism is because I believe that God created the world, but I still accept scientific evidence that the universe, and therefore our earth is millions of years old. While I respect the beliefs of YECers, I think that the scientific evidence proves beyond a doubt that the universe and therefore the earth and our solar system is older than 6000 years.

My belief in OEC is based in the science of astronomy.

Cases in point - the crab nebula and the veil nebula.

Check out these websites

http://www.seds.org/messier/m/m001.html

and

http://www.astropix.com/HTML/E_SUM_N/VEIL.HTM

The explosion of the star that resulted in the crab nebula was first observed in the year 1054 A.D. Now, if we accept the YEC position that the earth is only 6000 years old, then why do we see remnants of stars that have exploded, if they hadn't been created millions if not billions of years ago (at least in the way we as humans measure time)? The lifespan of a star is millions of years, even billions of years, depending on how massive it is. If you study the process of nuclear fusion within the core of a star, we know that it's going to take a long time for the star to burn it's supply of hydrogen, then helium, and so on through the process of fusing heavier and heavier elements. Our own sun, once it exhausts its supply of hydrogen will start burning helium, at which point it'll turn into a red giant. More massive stars can form heavier and heavier elements. This means that the star must have been formed millions if not billions of years ago. Therefore, in my mind, it stands to reason that our sun, and therefore our solar system, is no exception. This is basic material in any astronomy class.

To me, there are questions that YEC doesn't answer in a very satisfactory manner in my opinion -

1. How do you explain nebulas in YEC?
2. How do you explain black holes in YEC?
3. How do you explain pulsars in YEC?

I've read the material on answersingenesis.com, but in my mind, it's bad science at best. One of my favorite books on the cosmos and the creation of the universe and the earth is Hugh Ross' The Creator and the Cosmos.

 

[JohnR7]

The reason I believe in OLD earth creationism is because I believe that God created the world, but I still accept scientific evidence that the universe, and therefore our earth is millions of years old. While I respect the beliefs of YECers, I think that the scientific evidence proves beyond a doubt that the universe and therefore the earth and our solar system is older than 6000 years.

I am a GAP. We accept the YEC belief that the world we live in is only 6,000 years old. We also accept the evidence that there was a old world here before this one. The old world came to a end at the end of the last ice age and the world that we now life in had it's beginning in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago.

So the bottom line is that YEC & OEC are BOTH true and people have good reason to believe both of them.

 

[shernren]

I've seen your views and I'm quite curious (I hope this doesn't count as confrontational - I'll take any open disagreements to OT) what you mean when you say that you believe in or agree with YECism. One of the main motivations of YECism at the popular level is the complete absence of evolution whatsoever in the scheme of creation, so that any and all death only happened after the Fall. As such the mindset of YECism is quite different from the OEC mindset which is much more tolerant of evolution and animal death (normally drawing a line at a supernatural origin of humans). This is very obvious in AiG's scathing opinion pieces towards Hugh Ross.

So my question is in what sense do you agree with YECism? What is your opinion about their young-earth/universe proofs?

 

[sjdennis]

Just thought I'd point out that this thread is a request by a member for support in their faith, not a debate between YEC / OEC / Gap / Day-age etc.

As I said earlier, there is plenty of evidence that the world is young. This is true from a scientific perspective and also from a close examination of the Hebrew text of the Bible. That is why I believe in young earth creation. There is no reason that I can see to compromise this position and change from what the bible clearly states.

However I appreciate that other people have other ideas as well. I would like to encourage the original poster to look at ALL the ideas so they can come to a conclusion about what they should believe themselves. I don't think this thread should become a debate.

For the original poster, if you want some resources on Young Earth Creation, check out these websites:

www.answersingenesis.org

www.icr.org

tccsa.tc

These websites provide articles on many different areas of creation, and you can look at issues that interest you personally.

If the rest of you want to give the original poster some resources, put links to them here. If you want to have a debate, might I suggest you start another thread.