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Yes, at her request He turned water into wine at the wedding in Cana, I trust that Our Lord will listern to her request to turn me into something better then what I am nowI have to ask a serious question. I was following another thread and it linked to a website. On that website was a daily prayer to Mary.
Here is excerpt from that prayer:
"In thine intercession I put all my trust, all my hope of salvation"
Would you truthfully put all of your hope in your salvation upon Mary's intercession?
How would you explain it then?
I assume you can back up this poppycock with Scripture?
You can start with telling me where it says that there is such a thing as a dead Christian, anywhere in the universe.
I have to ask a serious question. I was following another thread and it linked to a website. On that website was a daily prayer to Mary.
Here is excerpt from that prayer:
"In thine intercession I put all my trust, all my hope of salvation"
Would you truthfully put all of your hope in your salvation upon Mary's intercession?
Would that imply that Stephen was snless as well?The Grace we are speaking of is God's Divine Sanctifying Grace that is infused into us at the New Birth and through the Sacraments of the Church.
This is the very life and power of God Himself.
She is announced by the angel as being FULL of God's Grace.
One cannot be FULL of Divine Sanctifying Grace and have any room for sin.
If there is sin, there is a need for MORE Divine Sanctifying Grace.
With Mary, there was no more need .. She had been FULLY and COMPLETELY Graced with NO ROOM for more.
even though He said it was not yet His time, He still made more wine, because His mother asked Him tooWhat was Jesus' first response to her request?
John 1:4Jesus said to her, Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.
Jesus did not turn water into wine because Mary asked him to. He performed this miracle so that people would believe in Him.
John 1:11 This beginning of signs Jesus did in Cana of Galilee, and manifested His glory; and His disciples believed in Him.
How can you say that you will put all of your hope in Mary's intercession? God's word tells us that it is our faith in Jesus that saves us. It sounds like you are not sure of this.
Maybe John's gospel will help you.
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.
no, it does not imply thatWould that imply that Stephen was snless as well?
Would that imply that Stephen was snless as well?
Mary had to be sinless because she was full of grace, so why does the same not apply to Stephen who was also said to be full of grace?
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It does clarify the difference but I still do not see where the idea that grace cannot be with sin comes into play. Grace is the favor of God crrect? He bestows it on sinners all the time.
From one of my favorite sites that provides the verses you seek:
The Communion of Saints
Mary the Mother of Jesus: Saint
- A Biblical Portrait of Saint
- The Canon of Holiness
- The Role of the Saints
- The Intercession of the Saints
- The Canonization of Saints
- Images and Relics of the Saints
- Praying to the Saints / Praying for the Dead
Eschatology: The Last Things
- Mary: An Introduction
- A Biblical Portrait of Mary
- Mary: Virgin and Ever Virgin
- The Immaculate Conception of Mary
- The Assumption of Mary
- Private Devotions to Mary: The Rosary
- Apparitions of Mary
well I do not think anyone says the people earn grace, it would not really be grace if we could earn itThanks Joab
In reading this, I find it interesting that it states that Mary was given this grace and shown such favor by God even before she accepted the angel's word or could do anything to earn it, yet it is such a odd thing when we say God does the same for His elect. This does make Mary's regeneration before she could accept Christ in thetraditional sense more easily understood.
Also, I can understand Mary being shown this grace before conception but I still see no need that she be sinless. The material cites Samson's mother not consuming unclean things as an example, but those things are taken in by the body and would have been transferred through the blood to the child, sin is ones life is not active in the body in the same manner.
Thanks Joab
In reading this, I find it interesting that it states that Mary was given this grace and shown such favor by God even before she accepted the angel's word or could do anything to earn it, yet it is such a odd thing when we say God does the same for His elect. This does make Mary's regeneration before she could accept Christ in thetraditional sense more easily understood.
Also, I can understand Mary being shown this grace before conception but I still see no need that she be sinless. The material cites Samson's mother not consuming unclean things as an example, but those things are taken in by the body and would have been transferred through the blood to the child, sin is ones life is not active in the body in the same manner.
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