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I'm new to this forum. I apologize if this isn't the right forum to post this, but I want to ask a question. (Warning, it's long.)

I'm 25 years old. I lead a pretty normal life: married to a computer programmer, two college degrees, working on a third. I have a 'gifted' IQ, but not sure what my score would be if I took the test now. I'm an excellent writer and artist, but am not so good at math. I have had bouts of severe depression and anxiety throughout my life, and have just been diagnosed inattentive ADD. I recently started reading about Asperger's, when my husband thought he might have it--and wow, does it sound like me.

I was a rather weird kid growing up. I used to obsess over the strangest things, like reflectors in the road. I mean, I would think about reflectors, talk about reflectors, and I got my dad to drive me out to the street where I could stand there and just study the reflector. I also went through other long-lasting obsessions--Little House on the Prairie was one--I read the entire collection tens of times, and went to a Girl Scout meeting once dressed in full garb, including sunbonnet. I asked my mom once to buy me chemicals so that I could imitate bioluminiscence (age 9). She always said I was a "gifted and inquisitive" child.

Although I went through the gifted program and made excellent test scores, my grades dropped to C's in middle school--I think, because of my depression and ADD.

I have always had terrible social anxiety. I've always had one or two good friends, but they used to call me weird, and abuse me. I have always felt like I don't quite 'get it' socially. I got kicked off the yearbook staff in high school because the other kids hated me. They accused me of not speaking to them, not being a team player. I couldn't understand what I was doing wrong.

I've worked very hard throughout my life to fit in. In college, I learned to dress right, say the right things, and even joined a small sorority. (Was voted President--they said I was "the most responsible choice", but then the girls booted me for some reason. I quit the group in shame and never found out what the reason was.)

I cannot keep a job--mostly because of my ADD, I think. I have had 7 jobs in the past year. At every job, people seem to like me at first, then for some reason become chilly. I seem to be very prone to brutal bullying, even at my age. I'm not sure why.

I say slightly odd things sometimes too:
Examples: Told my friend, "My mom says my makeup drawer is very clean." Maybe that doesn't sound so weird, but think of a grown woman saying that... it's just not socially correct.
Someone says, "I need some glue. Do you have any glue?" I say, "I have some earwax." Bad joke?
Etc, etc forever...

When I was younger (14 or so) I thought I was going to hell for committing the unforgivable sin of blasphemy. In my mind I would scream curses at God, and the more I tried to stop, the more it would happen. OCD-like. I also thought that God was communicating to me through signs and music. I thought that my family was spying on me through a nonexistent hole in the bathroom wall, and I think I briefly thought that my dad could read my mind. This all stopped when I went on antidepressants, which I've been taking off and on for 10 years.

When I was 12, I left school, stood in the parking lot for half an hour and waited for my parents to pick me up--then realized the day wasn't over.

The main thing that makes me think of Asperger's is my social anxiety. I feel like I can't relate to most people, can't look people in the eye, and am clumsy and awkward, which I've read is a symptom. I stutter, garble, and blank out when I am nervous around someone. And this is after getting a Bachelor's in Communication Arts. I also pick at my skin relentlessly, hum, rock, and do other self-stimulating sorts of behaviors.

I could just go on forever...

I suppose you could convince yourself you've got anything...but I would really like some opinions from someone who knows this disorder. I think I may have a mild case. (Perhaps not so mild?)

More than anything, I would like to just have an explanation for some of my quirks, and read some books--if indeed I have the disorder. I am not sure I want to bring it up to a psychiatrist just yet.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.
(Please answer here, I would rather keep my name and E-mail private.)
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It is possible but only an expert psychologist who's expertise is in autism and it's related disorders could say for sure. I know that ADD and Aspergers are look alikes and it may be hard if not impossible to know the difference and also to make it worse, one can have both and more than likely do because what goes on with neurological disorders is they are on a continuum, if you have one, then you will more than likely have something else too, like ADD. Add is usually a tag along and so is sensory disorders.

The bottom line is, treatment is the same, we treat the symptoms but there is no cure for the disorder itself expect for finding what our strengths are and building on them and understanding our weaknesses and compensating for them. It sounds as though you have.

BTW, I have a PDD/mildly autistic 8 year and my 16-year-old has been since he was 5 told he has ADHD but I think he is Aspergers too, or both. I know depression comes from knowing you’re different but not being able to put your finger on what and why and because you look normal and are smart- the expectations other put on you to succeed can causes depression too.

My oldest son is also brilliant at reading/vocabulary/language and was an early talker and very articulate at a year old but can not do math to save his soul. The closest anyone came to give us some kind of answers was from a Mercy sister who was a psychologist trained in ADAH/autism and she gave him a diagnosis of a non verbal learning disability. Meaning he can comprehend and get along fine as long as everything is put in the context of language but for the abstract visual conceptual things, like picking up on facial expressions and social cues and math, he misses the bigger picture and it lands him in trouble. The doctor who actually treated him for the ADHD said “interesting” rather sarcastically at her opinion. So it is something at this point in our knowledge we just not know enough about yet, IMO.

Good luck...
 
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Dear Blue:

First and foremost, take a deep breath and know that you are the way you are for a good reason, you are fearfully and wonderfully made, you have done nothing wrong or bad, you are not flawed or a mistake, and most probably everyone is not out to get you. But it can feel that way when you aren't properly medicated and you don't understand why you are the way you are.

Do you have Asperger's? I'm not going to blow sunshine here. It is entirely possible. But that would not be the end of the world. I am also not a licensed professional. Not even close. But I'm someone who is walking a similar walk, and your story is really resonating with me.

It sounds like you have difficulty reading social cues, reading peoples' faces, have some trouble with racing thoughts, you're smarter than the average bear so you got bored in school so your grades dropped...I would bet the farm that you also have some difficulties with sensory issues, like things to be even and smooth, don't like rough edges, thus the finger picking...am I far off here?

As far as the "weird stuff" you say, my friends and I just call that "taking a conversational left turn," or "taking a literal detour." I find that I take what people say absolutely literally. Example: Someone says: "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse." My brain first thinks "wow, is he really going to eat a horse? Yuck. Why would he eat a horse? Oh. He's joking. Okay." Years ago, I would have asked the question aloud and everyone would have laughed at me. Now I can get through the process in my head. I'm still usually the last person in the group to get a joke and have to ask to have it explained. My friends know how I am and are happy to explain and I don't mind being laughed at by my true friends for "not getting it." Jesus has set me free of a great deal of my pride in that area. Is any of this making sense to you?

And why not go to a psychiatrist who is trained to deal with Asperger's? It would be of immense benefit to receive some social coaching to alleviate some of the difficulties you are having in work situations as well as social situations. As far as meds go, I have had fabulous results from mood stabilizers combined with my antidepressant. Again, I am not a doctor. Just someone who came to the realization later in life that Asperger's was what was driving my behavior, not weirdness or being bad or wrong or any of a hundred self-condemning other reasons.

The good news is that there is help for you, so you can be victorious and walk in the freedom God intends for you. Asperger's is not a prison sentence. And if people look at us strangely sometimes, oh well. Trust in God to provide true friends who love you and cherish you just the way you are.

Please post again and let me know how you're doing.
 
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"When I was 12, I left school, stood in the parking lot for half an hour and waited for my parents to pick me up--then realized the day wasn't over."

Ive similar things as this alot of times in primary and highschool but I dont know if I have asperger..

With the horse joke I dont think only asperger and autistic ppl ask the question if they would coz I do that too but when I ask it I know they really wouldnt its just a way of saying they are hungry... but u wanna see their reaction anyway. But im not in a state of shock and surprise coz I dont really believe it. Maybe those with aspergers have the shock? I dont know. Anyway sometimes normal ppl would too right?
 
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Hi again Blue and also Mike:

Hope you are feeling a little peace this morning, Blue. Please forgive my dogmatic pronouncements. I don't know all about you but little glimmers of you twinkled through in your post, so I went for it, hoping to hit the mark at least somewhat. I have to trust in God to guide me and keep in the Word about everything, and I totally stink at it, and so I get into lots of trouble with thinking that I always know everything! I hope you will consider pursuing Godly counsel (there are some awesome Christian mental health clinics out there now) to help you work through your questions. I will be praying for you that you find rest in Him, just as He promises. You sound like you are an absolutely brilliant person with a lot of gifts. I know He is going to use you in a powerful way.

Mike, we're not normal or abnormal, ordered or disordered, we simply are what we are, and make the best of it through God who strengthens us (and maybe some awesome meds provided by His wisdom), right? So don't worry about saying normal or abnormal, no stepped-on toes here, man, it's all good. I pray that one day you will be able to see yourself through God's loving eyes...you are not your ADD, your depression or your social anxiety. I will be praying for you also that you find rest from your struggles in Him. He will be your Rock. God has a plan for you just the way you are, I know it. I want you to feel built up, strengthened and encouraged today that you too will be used mightily for His work.

In His love and strength (not my own!),

Aspie4JC
 
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Thanks guys, and thanks Aspie4JC, that was so nice. I want you to know that I'm definitely a Christian, and I ask God often to use me. I'm hoping that by gaining an understanding of myself, I can help others with the same issues--maybe, be a mentor or something.

I wouldn't be upset to learn that I have Asperger's, if I do in fact have it...I just want to understand myself better.

I have one more question. Is it something that you can grow out of? Because, it seems like during my childhood and youth the symptoms fit perfectly, but as I got older, I learned more social skills. (I still have a hard time looking people in the eye.) I felt a lot of pressure growing up to be 'normal', so I tried very hard to put myself in situations where I could get experience in the social world. Maybe I'm predisposed to Aspergers--I definitely think I'm somewhere on the spectrum--but is it possible that I trained myself to be more 'normal'? (I use that in the context of what's normally expected in society.) Are people with Asperger's ever able to do that?
 
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***Are people with Asperger's ever able to do that?***

Yes, I think so. I have gotten much better in the past few years (though sometimes I still revert under stress). I've learned the right questions to ask in order to start a conversation and keep it going, though people tell me I act really odd when I'm trying to be normal.
You might try this website: http://www.musicmademe.com/asp/index.php
I've found it extremely helpful.
 
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I was also diagnosed with Asperger's in 2003 - though most of the traits were things I struggled with as a child and some I've got over by experience etc.

I think it is hard to define individuals with labels as there are so many combinations of symptoms and peculiarities.

It's good to know Jesus accepts all kinds of people and does not tell us off for annoying habits that we can't help or criticise us negatively and fill us with guilt and shame like some parents and teachers might do if they think we're different on purpose or seeking attention or living in cloud-cuckooland

I thought it might be a really good idea to write a book about how the Christian life appeals to and works for a person with Asperger traits, and now I see others here with similar experiences to me perhaps it could be a joint effort, if only we had a way of getting together on the internet and arranging something - perhaps it might help youngsters who are just discovering Asperger's or struggling to be normal in a very sociable church environment - or perhaps parents with children they don't understand might appreciate it...

Any ideas? What can Aspies do for Jesus?
Maybe not too many outreachy type things that need energetic outgoing personalities but maybe a lot of thinking and writing - or just praying behind the scenes for everyone else!
 
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Hi, let me first introduce myself - My name is Adrian and I have Asperger's. The Church as we know it today, is acting quite hypocritically toward people with disabilities, especially hidden disabilities such as Autism and Asperger's Syndrome.

Jesus does not like the way the Church is acting toward those with developmental difficulties. People are walking away from the church; they are refusing to accept God on the basis that the Church doesn't accept them.

95 percent of Christians are loving toward God and others; 5 percent are not - it is the small minority that are making life really hard for people outside the Church.

I have many good ideas - pray, pray and pray! Keep praying (1 Thess 5:7 - correct me if I am wrong, here).

Also, support by living like Jesus. Accept people for their irritating behaviour; My church doesn't understand my strange behaviours, but they don't really mind nonetheless.

Again, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Peter, Moses, John the Baptist, Elijah and perhaps the slave girl that followed Paul and Silas in their mission all showed signs of autistic-like behaviour. Autism is a social difficulty. But, it is the ignorance of others that I suffer with the most, not the disability itself.
 
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I have one more question. Is it something that you can grow out of? Because, it seems like during my childhood and youth the symptoms fit perfectly, but as I got older, I learned more social skills. (I still have a hard time looking people in the eye.) I felt a lot of pressure growing up to be 'normal', so I tried very hard to put myself in situations where I could get experience in the social world. Maybe I'm predisposed to Aspergers--I definitely think I'm somewhere on the spectrum--but is it possible that I trained myself to be more 'normal'? (I use that in the context of what's normally expected in society.) Are people with Asperger's ever able to do that?
People having autism "learn" what is only natural (by "intuition" or so?) to others - especially as you're intelligent, you're catching up, learning rules of social interaction.
But the thing is still there - like, you are still aware of "now I should probably do this", while - I think? - others wouldn't have to think about it at all:confused:
 
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I have always had terrible social anxiety. I've always had one or two good friends, but they used to call me weird, and abuse me. I have always felt like I don't quite 'get it' socially. I got kicked off the yearbook staff in high school because the other kids hated me. They accused me of not speaking to them, not being a team player. I couldn't understand what I was doing wrong.

This is definatly bullying and I can kinda undastand u. Ppl for example ummm a person who is normal and has never met someone with AS can sometimes pick on ppl with AS or autism and its definatly not ok my friend.

The main thing that makes me think of Asperger's is my social anxiety. I feel like I can't relate to most people, can't look people in the eye, and am clumsy and awkward, which I've read is a symptom. I stutter, garble, and blank out when I am nervous around someone. And this is after getting a Bachelor's in Communication Arts. I also pick at my skin relentlessly, hum, rock, and do other self-stimulating sorts of behaviors.

It could possibly b autism or AS, umm, 2scoops might help with some info, I think :hug: That possibly is AS and I am not sure. I mean my AS is different from DeanAndersons AS, for example I bite my fingernails 'still doing it and believe it or not have done it ever since childhood, a rude habbit that has to stop' and he doesnt ok :) I tottaly understand how u r feeling ok :hug:
 
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I have one more question. Is it something that you can grow out of? Because, it seems like during my childhood and youth the symptoms fit perfectly, but as I got older, I learned more social skills. (I still have a hard time looking people in the eye.) I felt a lot of pressure growing up to be 'normal', so I tried very hard to put myself in situations where I could get experience in the social world. Maybe I'm predisposed to Aspergers--I definitely think I'm somewhere on the spectrum--but is it possible that I trained myself to be more 'normal'? (I use that in the context of what's normally expected in society.) Are people with Asperger's ever able to do that?

To answer that question I know I am 19 and I know that u cant grow out of AS. I have had AS ever since I was a kid and havnt grown out of it even though I think I understand ppl in a different way but the truth is I dont. I also feel that my AS has changed things for good for example if I was a normal child I would possibly think that ppl in wheelchairs were not human but with my AS I have come to understand that they r human and deserve respect ok :hug: Hope that answers ur question :)
 
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