Please correct my errors either privately or publicly

[Rescued One]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7731813-3/

Thanks!

 

[twin1954]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7731813-3/

Thanks!

My advice is to stay away from that forum. Perhaps when you are fully grounded in the doctrines of the Bible you might engage in a discussion with people who are extremely unorthodox in their beliefs. But until then I fear you will get burned. My advice is to learn all you can about Christ and don't worry about debating.

 

[Keachian]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7731813-3/

Thanks!

Just looking at it, the problem I see from your defence is not emphasising the imputed righteousness that a believer has, the Mormon eschatology is largely a distraction away from their Soteriology which is wrong from top to bottom, they need to understand that first of all there is no way that they can stand before God, no one is righteous, everyone belongs on the left hand side of God as Ran77 suggests because all are unrighteous, it is only because of God's active efforts that anyone at all can be on the right hand side of him and not their own works.

You need to hammer in that works righteousness is not how the Bible describes salvation, arguing about their eschatology is worthless when they are bringing up ideas from their eschatology.

 

[Rescued One]

Just looking at it, the problem I see from your defence is not emphasising the imputed righteousness that a believer has, the Mormon eschatology is largely a distraction away from their Soteriology which is wrong from top to bottom, they need to understand that first of all there is no way that they can stand before God, no one is righteous, everyone belongs on the left hand side of God as Ran77 suggests because all are unrighteous, it is only because of God's active efforts that anyone at all can be on the right hand side of him and not their own works.

You need to hammer in that works righteousness is not how the Bible describes salvation, arguing about their eschatology is worthless when they are bringing up ideas from their eschatology.

Thanks. I'm extremely familiar with what Mormonism teaches having been in it for many years and having studied it ever since. Ran77 is Mormon. I guess I was being lazy last night!

 

[Rescued One]

My advice is to stay away from that forum. Perhaps when you are fully grounded in the doctrines of the Bible you might engage in a discussion with people who are extremely unorthodox in their beliefs. But until then I fear you will get burned. My advice is to learn all you can about Christ and don't worry about debating.

Perfect advice for a novice!

 

[Rescued One]

I would love to see more Christians refute error at Unorthodox Theology(especially because there are plenty of heretics over there).

 

[Keachian]

I would love to see more Christians refute error at Unorthodox Theology(especially because there are plenty of heretics over there).

I find it really exhausting to be honest

 

[Rescued One]

I find it really exhausting to be honest

I sent you a PM.

 

[bricklayer]

Instruction is indispensable, but instruction alone is indoctrination.
The Bible is the Word of God; it is Truth. The Truth will become proof to you through a process wherein doubt will be removed by testing. As a saved person, the Word of God will be tested in your life. It will go like this.

You will read the bible and infer ideas from the bible. You will ruminate on those ideas as they are brought up in memory. Many of those ideas will be, to your satisfaction, disproved. What remains is what you will be left to believe. Then, that will be tested, and what remains is what you will be left to believe, and so on, and so on.

It's not so much that you will believe this or that as much as all of the other ideas you consider will be, to your satisfaction, disproved. What remains is what you will be left to believe.

I am honored to discuss any topic you choose. Just keep in mind, that although the Truth exists, there is more than one way to look at anything, and nothing can be understood from only one point of view.

 

[twin1954]

Perfect advice for a novice!

Actually it is perfect advice for an old dog like myself who has spent many years studying the truths of God. Paul told both Timothy and Titus to not debate and to not dispute with them.


1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.


1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.


Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Tit 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

 

[AndOne]

Just looking at it, the problem I see from your defence is not emphasising the imputed righteousness that a believer has, the Mormon eschatology is largely a distraction away from their Soteriology which is wrong from top to bottom, they need to understand that first of all there is no way that they can stand before God, no one is righteous, everyone belongs on the left hand side of God as Ran77 suggests because all are unrighteous, it is only because of God's active efforts that anyone at all can be on the right hand side of him and not their own works.

You need to hammer in that works righteousness is not how the Bible describes salvation, arguing about their eschatology is worthless when they are bringing up ideas from their eschatology.

It's also good to point out to them that they do not worship the God of the Bible...

 

[student ad x]

My advice is to stay away from that forum....

yes

 

[bsd058]

Ya, if you happen to get lucky enough to find people who hold to the Scriptures as their source of authority, then you have to deal with basic doctrinal heresies that have been refuted over and over throughout history, and I usually find starting from the foundations to be very exhausting since all of their questions seem to be dealt with in the 1st - 4th century AD. From there, if you can find someone who actually holds to the foundational creeds based upon the word of God, then you might be able to debate them, since they might have a basic understanding of Scripture too. But that might not even be possible if they are Roman Catholic or other.

I find that issues are best debated in here with my Reformed brothers, since we hold to the same foundational doctrines which would lead to other things that we can discuss.

But that's just me. If you have the perseverance and the foundations, then go for it, but it can be futile since many hold to an epistemology that the reformed Christian cannot accept, and vice versa.

It's been likened to answering a fool according to his folly, and not answering a fool according to his folly. Or casting pearls before swine.

 

[Rescued One]

It's also good to point out to them that they do not worship the God of the Bible...

I actually hadn't been looking at this thread lately thinking that people might have lost interest by now.

Witnessing to LDS is usually futile. The ones who come here are hardened. I've been talking to them for years. The same ones return, sometimes under new usernames.

They believe that we don't know God and don't know that the Father has a body of flesh and bones(which, of course, He doesn't).

So I post about their religion's inconsistencies for the benefit of non-Mormon readers. Then they gang up on me and say that I don't know Mormon doctrine or that I'm misrepresenting and we go round in circles. So the day that I posted here, I was hoping for some help. I was tired of dealing with them. I appreciate all the advice in this thread. I'll go back and look at the posts that I missed.

 

[Rescued One]

Actually it is perfect advice for an old dog like myself who has spent many years studying the truths of God. Paul told both Timothy and Titus to not debate and to not dispute with them.


1Ti 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.


1Ti 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.


Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Tit 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

You've got me thinking!

 

[AndOne]

I actually hadn't been looking at this thread lately thinking that people might have lost interest by now.

Witnessing to LDS is usually futile. The ones who come here are hardened. I've been talking to them for years. The same ones return, sometimes under new usernames.

They believe that we don't know God and don't know that the Father has a body of flesh and bones(which, of course, He doesn't).

So I post about their religion's inconsistencies for the benefit of non-Mormon readers. Then they gang up on me and say that I don't know Mormon doctrine or that I'm misrepresenting and we go round in circles. So the day that I posted here, I was hoping for some help. I was tired of dealing with them. I appreciate all the advice in this thread. I'll go back and look at the posts that I missed.

Hang in there Phoebe you are doing a good job! Thanks for taking the stand that you do!