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Caty said:

but if i want God and do not want to think such things will he forgive me?? I need to know really. I'm afraid because I'm thinking these things that maybe I'm not really repenting. please answer.

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Yes if you dont mean it he will forgive you

Caty, Jesus loves you and you are just getting yourself into an tailspin where you over analyze everything. The book of John says that those who come to Him He will not cast out. Try to trust that. Trying to dissect the nuances of repentance and faith is much more complicated than it really is.

i know but im just scared that i do mean these things...if i do, i don't want to! so is that like repentance...could God forgive me if i didn't want to have these thoughts and doubts? i try i cling to that verse Kaykay but i feel like if i've committed the unpardonable sin or if i really mean these thoughts then i feel like it doesn't apply to me. im so scared. i want God but if i cannot repent then he cannot take me...isn't that right?? thanks for trying to help me...if this is my ocd then this is a bad day.

its your ocd caty.... you must trust GOD, not yourself...... your thoughts and feelings will deceive you EVERYTIME....when you start to really just give it to HIM and tell HIM there is nothing else you can do, AND get some help for your ocd, then things will get better.... your problem is in your mind... not your spirit..



love you and praying for you...

pj

but see i worry about if i'm really sorry...if im not then i want to be...can God change our hearts if we want him too? i'm so scared...what if i've blasphemed and meant it and i just don't realize it...and maybe God has withdrawn repentance from me. i don't want to be this way...and i hope i've never blasphemed and meant it.

i know and completely understand where you are coming from.... but you must understand that GOD knows your heart,, HE knows your scared, He knows you dont know if you are really sorry or if you are just scared of hell, etc....and HE knows you want to be sorry and want to love HIM.... and thats your start....

give it all over to HIM .... your mom or dad(no matter what you did, thought or how horrible you were to them) would shut the door on you forever because you are confused .... and GODS love is greater than that ... MUCH GREATER.... AND SO IS HIS PATIENCE...

you just said you dont want to be that way, rite?? but you dont feel like you can help the way you feel... etc.... thats ocd....

if you had done anything unpardonable..... then you wouldnt be on here AT ALL because you wouldnt be searching and asking or scared at all...

if you believe in God( which is apparent or you wouldnt be scared or care) then you have to believe that HE knows alllll about you... good ,bad and the ugly... every thought every sin, EVERYTHING,... and HE STILL DIED FOR YOU.....HE came for the sinners NOT the righteous THANK GOODNESS or we would all be doomed....

every pastor i have ever talked to says the same thing.... "if you are worried you committed the unpardonable sin... then you HAVENT'... because that is sayinG AND believeing completely in your heart that Jesus is NOT GODS SON and HE IS from the devil.... now just because you have had crazy thoughts doesnt mean you actually believe them(altho OCD MAKES YOU FEEL THAT WAY AND THE DEVIL LOVES THAT FACT AND USES IT ... its a battle in your mind NOT your spirit....

if we believed everything , and did everything completely right, we wouldnt have needed JESUS....heck I still dont understand it all... but i choose to believe it!!!

matthew 9:12...on hearing this Jesus said"it is not the healthy that need a doctor, but the sick, but go and learn what this means, I desire mercy, not sacrifice, for i have not come to call the righteous, but sinners..."

mark 9:23-24"If you can? said Jesus."everything is possible for him who believes" immediately the boys father exclaimed"i do believe; HELP ME OVERCOME MY UNBELIEF!"

I TRULY BELIEVE THESE WORDS IN THE BOOK OF MARK ARE TO COMFORT US WHEN WE WAIVER.......
HE KNOWS WE ARE HUMAN..... HE MADE US....



LOVE ,
PJ

Please Please...Pray God will grant me repentance...I'm afraid I'm not sorry for these things because I'm in such a fear of hell and I've never known God that well...so Please, Please, Please Pray he will gratn me repetance. I don't want to be this way...I'm so scared.

Caty said:

i've told my mom and she got me an app. to a counsler...i've talked to a pastor and he assures me that God will not punish me for my thoughts...so i'm feeling some better today...i just want to move on and get closer to God...i wish didn't have this & never went through it. i just hope when i asked Jesus into my life the first time i did it right, i've asked so many times,,,i can't remember them all.

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This is good news. I am happy for you. I pray that you make noticable progress that will hearten you and make you feel better. God Bless.

but GOD DOES know YOU that well..... you are asking HIM to do something HE ALREADY DID...... 2000 years ago......HE granted you and gave you EVERYTHING you need.... allll you need do is accept it its a gift.. yoU CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO EARN IT...
thats why JESUS said "IT IS FINISHED" because it is caty ... for ANYONE who wants HIM.... AND YOU DO!!!! and you already have HIM....

we alll question, get scared have weird thoughts, etc... but that wont keep you out of heaven....

hell is made for the devil and his angels and anyone who totally rejects Jesus.....

thats NOT YOU...

you dont have to know GOD "WELL"... noone does at first.... i am just now getting to know HIM thru the BIBLE, and books and tapes, etc.....like i said HE knows its a lil one sided for while... HE just asks you take that first step toward HIM and YOU ARE!!!its ok to be scared its normal... your parents wouldnt throw you out if you were scared and GOD wont either.....


its going to be ok..... im glad you are going to a counselor and stuff.... tell them everything.... there are alot of people who feel exactly like you do... they will understand and help you....

pj

but it says in the Bible that salvation and repentance go hand in hand...so i'm afraid that i'm not truly sorry for my past sins, cause i always thought that repenptance was just turning from them and not wanting to do it anymore. i was reading a Joyce Meyer thing and she said she knew people who were not truly sorrry and that it was a terrifying thing. if i have thought one of those things our of anger or confusion then i i've committed the unpardonable and God cannot grant me repentance. i feel like maybe these thoughts are from me and that i have a seared concense and that i'm only afraid of hell. i'm so scared and confused...i've asked God to grant me repentane.please pray for me too.

of course i will pray for you.... but people witha seared concious or people that joyce meyer is talking about are like the people in the bible who did theins for "show" you arent doing that. salvation was already accomplished for you...... it is accepting HIS substitution for you that you have to do..... then repenting, and turning, getting to know HIM and stuff i believe is a gradual thing....you havent done anything unpardonable.... your are coming to HIM...(doesnt matter how ) and HE wont cast you aside.....

try the website...... KNOWIMSAVED.COM...... read thru the scriptures and stuff on there and then ask them questions where it says I NEED HELP..

THERE IS A VERY INTELIGENT AND CARING PASTOR ON THERE THAT CAN GELP YOU UNDERSTAND..... HIS NAME IS RICHARD FULTON AND HE STRUGGLED WITH SOME OF THE SAME STUFF

THERE IS ALSO A BOOK CALLED FAITH AND DOUBT....


PRAYING FOR YOU TO GET SOME PEACE..


PJ

i feel like these thoughts nad feelings are from me...not ocd. i've never had faith so i cannot be saved. i feel like i've blasphemed...and God doesn't want to help me...i want God SO badly. I hate these thoughts...I hate myself for having them...all i want is for God to acceptt me and I want to be saved. If i hate what i've done and my thoughts nad i don't want to have them...is that repentance?? I'm afraid if it's not that God will never grant it to me because i've went to far? I hate living...but I'm too afraid to die. I hate the way I am...i don't know how i got this way.

sometimes when the thoughts are about to come..if i've been thinking about them or stuff like that...i can stop them if i say soemthing over & over outloud...or if i pinch myself or something...but when i'm around people i obviously cannot do that...so i feel like if i let the thought come the that means that i want it...but i hate these thoughts so that must mean that i don't want to think them...right? has anyone else done this before?

Caty said:

sometimes when the thoughts are about to come..if i've been thinking about them or stuff like that...i can stop them if i say soemthing over & over outloud...or if i pinch myself or something...but when i'm around people i obviously cannot do that...so i feel like if i let the thought come the that means that i want it...but i hate these thoughts so that must mean that i don't want to think them...right? has anyone else done this before?

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It's obvious you don't want to have them and would get rid of them if you could. The quickest way to lessen and eliminate them is what I posted before though~~ignore them!

This is an OCD thing and I know it's tough therefore. But you have to just realize that these thoughts have NO spiritual significance. They are just mind clutter. Then treat them as such. Don't feel you have to pinch or ask for forgiveness or anything. If they come, just let them come. Just say "oh, well." Turn your attention otherwise and go on about your day.

Now I know the OCD thoughts will try to tell you that you are accepting them if you don't do anything about them. Talk back to the OCD and remind yourself that this IS one of the best ways to get rid of them permanently. Don't let the thoughts spook you. When you just ignore them, they will lessen and eventually cease altogether. This is your goal. You are NOT condoning them by doing this. You are working in the most effective way to be rid of them for good. If it's makes you feel any better about this way of dealing, tell God ONE time why you are doing this. He already knows but it may help you be able to continue in this manner to have made such a statement.

kaykay9.0 said:

It's obvious you don't want to have them and would get rid of them if you could. The quickest way to lessen and eliminate them is what I posted before though~~ignore them!

This is an OCD thing and I know it's tough therefore. But you have to just realize that these thoughts have NO spiritual significance. They are just mind clutter. Then treat them as such. Don't feel you have to pinch or ask for forgiveness or anything. If they come, just let them come. Just say "oh, well." Turn your attention otherwise and go on about your day.

Now I know the OCD thoughts will try to tell you that you are accepting them if you don't do anything about them. Talk back to the OCD and remind yourself that this IS one of the best ways to get rid of them permanently. Don't let the thoughts spook you. When you just ignore them, they will lessen and eventually cease altogether. This is your goal. You are NOT condoning them by doing this. You are working in the most effective way to be rid of them for good. If it's makes you feel any better about this way of dealing, tell God ONE time why you are doing this. He already knows but it may help you be able to continue in this manner to have made such a statement.

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kay is right about ignoring them caty though it is very difficult to do .
i am starting therapy soon and im pretty sure this will be half the battle ..i know you might think if i ignore them then im really saying that i want them or that i dont care but that isn't it at all.. in fact when we try to ignore them and i say try because it is an uphill battle what we are really doing is exerting our will against them , limiting their power and really diffusing them to an extent ..its almost like a bully if you ignore them then you take their power away .

I worry that maybe long before I had OCD God knew that i would be bad so...instead of all of this conviction i've had it;s just ocd and not God this whole time...

Caty said:

I worry that maybe long before I had OCD God knew that i would be bad so...instead of all of this conviction i've had it;s just ocd and not God this whole time...

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Jesus said that no one can come to Him except the Father draw them and he would not cast them out. Whatever way God used to draw you to Himself is just fine. It just matters that we come, not why we came.

my mind is a little clear tonight (thank God) and I feel like God is drawing me and I'm trying to come to the conclusion that if i had committed the unforgivable sin then God wouldn't be drawing me.

exactly caty!


love

pj

Caty said:

my mind is a little clear tonight (thank God) and I feel like God is drawing me and I'm trying to come to the conclusion that if i had committed the unforgivable sin then God wouldn't be drawing me.

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