Plants and a global flood

[TrueCreation]

a limitless God could do it anyway he wanted to, your mind limits God, just as we limit ourselves

--So...what are you doing in this forum? Are you trying to learn something (despite your admittance that you don't like science)? Are you a parasite? Are you trying to convince someone here of something? If you are trying to convince someone of something, with your mind-set this is the wrong place to do it.

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

 

[Arikay]

Ah yes, the last ditch methods of creationists.
Bring god's judgment into it.
I take it you were losing the scientific argument.



Of course, the majority of christians accept evolution. So even that doesn't hold much water.

not hypocrisy, for I do not trust science, as my saviour, you can, and we shall see at the Judgement seat of Christ

 

[Godzman]

Ah yes, the last ditch methods of creationists.
Bring god's judgment into it.
I take it you were losing the scientific argument.



Of course, the majority of christians accept evolution. So even that doesn't hold much water.

I don't care, I am bringing God's word into the picture, man i am an old earth creationist, but I am sorry but my interest is more in history and politics. Science bores me, but I am defending the word of God, scientifically I can't give a good argument, because I am not knowledgable in that.

I know whom I believe and that is what matters, for God is real, yes he is real, he is real in my soul

 

[Spike2k]

not hypocrisy, for I do not trust science, as my saviour, you can, and we shall see at the Judgement seat of Christ

you are crazy man

 

[Godzman]

[quote = Godzman] not hypocrisy, for I do not trust science, as my saviour, you can, and we shall see at the Judgement seat of Christ

you are crazy man[/QUOTE]

 

[Spike2k]

doh! lol

 

[troodon]

of course he could, for he created our human minds, our limited human minds.

You see it would be very hard to argue with the one who created time itself

this argument is pointless; you can go ahead and ignore the world and tell yourself "God did it". Meanwhile I'm going to live my life in the real world dealing with the evidence that God has provided me with, deal?

well it may be funny, but I wont be laughing for you at the end

I'm not the one hoisting God's responsibility on my shoulders; that would be you. But unlike you I see our Lord as a God of love and forgiveness, so you will have little to worry. God will forgive you.

--Vegetation mats. Ie, plants that float or float on others that do.

Hmm... seems very unlikely that the all the plants today could have survived in such a manner. Seeing as we're talking about not only tropical species (which I believe would be more inclined to living on vegetation mats) but also arid desert plants, tundra plants, plants from temperate zones. These seem like plants that object to growing on a vegetation mat in the middle of the ocean.

--I completely agree, they hold potential falsification. Just don't try to present it to me and think you will convince me that it is in fact falsified.

Fair enough.

 

[Godzman]

this argument is pointless; you can go ahead and ignore the world and tell yourself "God did it". Meanwhile I'm going to live my life in the real world dealing with the evidence that God has provided me with, deal?

well ok, you can, I'll take him at his word, for he cannot lie

 

[troodon]

Ah yes, the last ditch methods of creationists.
Bring god's judgment into it.

Indeed. It's such a shame that so many of my brothers in Christ feel the need to threaten people all the time.

 

[Godzman]

Indeed. It's such a shame that so many of my brothers in Christ feel the need to threaten people all the time.

wait a second, I couldn't tell by your words that you were a Christian

 

[Arikay]

There is a problem.

You are not defending the word of god, you are defending your interpretation of the word of god.
What if what you think he ment, is not what he really ment? How would you know? In christianity there are two basic ways to know beyond the bible. Ask god, or look at gods creation. Now you could just ask god, but how do you know its not yourself trying to validate yourself? So, you could also look at his creation. This proccess has lead many to accept evolution, as his creation does not lie.

Currently you are relying on your interpretation of the bible only. You are a human, just like the rest of us and can make mistakes. Are you sure what you bring is really what god ment?

I don't care, I am bringing God's word into the picture, man i am an old earth creationist, but I am sorry but my interest is more in history and politics. Science bores me, but I am defending the word of God, scientifically I can't give a good argument, because I am not knowledgable in that.

I know whom I believe and that is what matters, for God is real, yes he is real, he is real in my soul

 

[Godzman]

There is a problem.

You are not defending the word of god, you are defending your interpretation of the word of god.
What if what you think he ment, is not what he really ment? How would you know? In christianity there are two basic ways to know beyond the bible. Ask god, or look at gods creation. Now you could just ask god, but how do you know its not yourself trying to validate yourself? So, you could also look at his creation. This proccess has lead many to accept evolution, as his creation does not lie.

Currently you are relying on your interpretation of the bible only. You are a human, just like the rest of us and can make mistakes. Are you sure what you bring is really what god ment?

in the Hebrew I am pretty sure God still created the world, no but his word does not lie either.

Like I said I am an Old Earth Creationist, but that does not mean that I think that evolution is the answer, for it is not, and to many chrisitians believe it is because it is easy to accept something rather then fight it.

 

[troodon]

well ok, you can, I'll take him at his word, for he cannot lie

So in John 7:6-8 Christ didn't lie to his disciples? What, little fibs don't count?

Regardless, was God lying when He allowed Moses allow divorce?

wait a second, I couldn't tell by your words that you were a Christian

Those that have hardened their hearts are often slow to realize the truth. Did my warnings about judging not ring a bell? Or perhaps the phrase, "But unlike you I see our Lord as a God of love and forgiveness" threw you off? Have you become so obsessed with the idea of the murderous god of the flood that you cannot imagine a Christian worshipping a God of love. God is love, remember?

 

[Godzman]

So in John 7:6-8 Christ didn't lie to his disciples? What, little fibs don't count?

Regardless, was God lying when He allowed Moses allow divorce?


Those that have hardened their hearts are often slow to realize the truth. Did my warnings about judging not ring a bell? Or perhaps the phrase, "But unlike you I see our Lord as a God of love and forgiveness" threw you off? Have you become so obsessed with the idea of the murderous god of the flood that you cannot imagine a Christian worshipping a God of love. God is love, remember?

ok, was God lying, if we believe God lies, then count me out of this Christian thing, because it is just like any other religion, full of lies, and it is then like science, full of deception

 

[troodon]

ok, was God lying

What else was he doing when he says, "no I'm not going to go there" but does anyways?

if we believe God lies, then count me out of this Christian thing

Bye-bye
It's a shame your faith is so shallow.

 

[Arikay]

Again, you seem to think that your interpretation Must be the correct one or god is a liar.

What if the words are truth, you are just misunderstanding them? Could that ever be possible?

 

[Godzman]

What else was he doing when he says, "no I'm not going to go there" but does anyways?


Bye-bye
It's a shame your faith is so shallow.

nope, why would you believe in a Holy God, who lies?

ridicoulus

 

[Godzman]

John 7
1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for He did not want to walk in Judea, because the Jews[1] sought to kill Him. 2Now the Jews' Feast of Tabernacles was at hand. 3His brothers therefore said to Him, "Depart from here and go into Judea, that Your disciples also may see the works that You are doing. 4For no one does anything in secret while he himself seeks to be known openly. If You do these things, show Yourself to the world." 5For even His brothers did not believe in Him.
6Then Jesus said to them, "My time has not yet come, but your time is always ready. 7The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil. 8You go up to this feast. I am not yet[2] going up to this feast, for My time has not yet fully come." 9When He had said these things to them, He remained in Galilee.
10 But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. 11Then the Jews sought Him at the feast, and said, "Where is He?" 12And there was much complaining among the people concerning Him. Some said, "He is good"; others said, "No, on the contrary, He deceives the people." 13However, no one spoke openly of Him for fear of the Jews.


Well apparently the right time, was when he came, because he came after the disciples

 

[troodon]

nope, why would you believe in a Holy God, who lies?

You are completely ignoring the passage because you do not like the implications. Jesus lied to his disciples. Read it, there is no misinterpretation about it.

I continue to believe in God dispite this because His existance is so obvious to me. I continue to worship Him because I trust Him dispite this revelation. Then again, my faith in God isn't swayed by whether or not I think I shall be granted an afterlife. God deserves my undivided attention for His gift to me of this life regardless of whether or not He chooses to continue to bless me.

ridicoulus

Read the passage

Well apparently the right time, was when he came, because he came after the disciples

ROFL, so the right time was, what, a day afterwards? It's silly what some people will do to ignore the truth; it really is. So you are going to insist that Jesus did not lie, he just purposely mislead the disciples? And this is better?

 

[Godzman]

Just because he went after them does not mean he lied, he told him the time wasn't right for him, meaning that possibly, appearing with them was not such a good idea.

Lying is a sin right, so if he lied, then his death is worthless