Plants and a global flood

[troodon]

Just a simple question: How did the terrestrial plant "kinds" we see today survive the alleged global flood?

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

Another question is how did aquatic organisms survive the flood (i.e. marine organisms surviving a fresh water deluge).

 

[ObbiQuiet]

The atheist conspirators are doomed to fail!!!11
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[StephenHawking]

It's quite simple. There was no global flood for the plant "kinds" and aquatic organisms to have to survive.

 

[Jet Black]

it's the mighty MC Hawking

 

[Bushido216]

Yeah, alot of people forget (YEC's included) that Noah didn't take two of every plant with him on the boat. He also didn't take animals indigenous to North America, etc., since he wouldn't have been able to get there.

 

[Spike2k]

Yeah, alot of people forget (YEC's included) that Noah didn't take two of every plant with him on the boat. He also didn't take animals indigenous to North America, etc., since he wouldn't have been able to get there.

wrong, are we forgetting Pangea? he would have been very easily able to get to North America, but i thought God summoned all the animals to him. As for the plants, take seeds and there ya go.

 

[JGMEERT]

wrong, are we forgetting Pangea? he would have been very easily able to get to North America, but i thought God summoned all the animals to him. As for the plants, take seeds and there ya go.

JM: What evidence do creationists have to support Pangea? All the evidence assembled by mainstream science is anathema to creationists. I'm curious how they made the continental reconstructions that modern science calls Pangea.

Cheers

Joe Meert

 

[troodon]

An answer!

As for the plants, take seeds and there ya go.

How did Noah spread those seeds around the world? Like how did he get the Saquoias to Northern Cali and how did he get the Baobab tree seeds to Madagascar? What about plants that do not have seeds?

 

[Bushido216]

wrong, are we forgetting Pangea? he would have been very easily able to get to North America, but i thought God summoned all the animals to him. As for the plants, take seeds and there ya go.

Except that 4500 years ago (the date of the Flood) Pangea had broken up pal.

 

[Spike2k]

JM: What evidence do creationists have to support Pangea? All the evidence assembled by mainstream science is anathema to creationists. I'm curious how they made the continental reconstructions that modern science calls Pangea.

Cheers

Joe Meert

Creationists have no evidence to support anything other than what the bible says. Plate Tectonics... it's quite obvious there had to of been Pangea. The world is a big puzzle just look at a map, it's quite apparent. Just a theory and my opinion, not tryin to flame

 

[Spike2k]

Except that 4500 years ago (the date of the Flood) Pangea had broken up pal.

Link to site that says the flood was only 4500 years ago

 

[troodon]

Link to site that says the flood was only 4500 years ago

www.drdino.com
www.answersingenesis.org
www.icr.org

"Three! That's three links! Ahahahaha!"

I love pictures

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Link to site that says the flood was only 4500 years ago

Actually this site on Answers in Genesis puts the flood at only 4300 years ago.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3563.asp

which is by the way during the 6th Egyptian dynasty and about the time that Sargon I conquored Sumer. Apparently there were civilizations all over the world at the time that somehow missed this giant flood that supposedly covered all the mountains and rearranged all the world's geology.

The frumious Bandersnatch

 

[Bushido216]

****, Frumious, ya got me, I'm off by 200 years! Of course Pangea had time enough to break up by then.

Heh, just kidding man.

Spike2k, the BIBLE is my reference.

 

[JGMEERT]

Creationists have no evidence to support anything other than what the bible says. Plate Tectonics... it's quite obvious there had to of been Pangea. The world is a big puzzle just look at a map, it's quite apparent. Just a theory and my opinion, not tryin to flame

JM: That would work ok for Africa and South America, but what about the fits of the other continents in Pangea? The jigsaw could be solved any number of ways. For example, how did creationists position Madagascar? India? Australia? Antarctica? North America? Europe? What data were used that just so happened to coincide with what geologists call Pangea?

Cheers

Joe Meert

 

[TrueCreation]

JM: What evidence do creationists have to support Pangea? All the evidence assembled by mainstream science is anathema to creationists. I'm curious how they made the continental reconstructions that modern science calls Pangea.

--Mostly Paleomagnetic data.

JM: That would work ok for Africa and South America, but what about the fits of the other continents in Pangea? The jigsaw could be solved any number of ways. For example, how did creationists position Madagascar? India? Australia? Antarctica? North America? Europe? What data were used that just so happened to coincide with what geologists call Pangea?

--If the genesis flood was a tectonic catastrophe, why would the directions of continental separation and drift be significantly different from that expected by uniformitarian geodynamics?

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

--Mostly Paleomagnetic data.

--If the genesis flood was a tectonic catastrophe, why would the directions of continental separation and drift be significantly different from that expected by uniformitarian geodynamics?

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

But doesn't paleomagnetic data indicate that there were supercontinents before Pangea? How do reconcile that a single supercontinent that breaks up during the flood?

This still doesn't really help with plant diversity and biogeography. For instance consider Nothophagus plants found in the southern hemisphere that can be used to trace continental drift because their seeds can't survive in water so they can't be transported by water. They also seem a little far away to have spread there after the ark especially since the continents were separted by then in the CPT model.

One experiment that creationists never seem to try is soaking the seeds of a wide variety of plants in water (added in edit: I meant to say soak the seeds for several months) and then throwing them out on ground that has been under water for a year to see what grows. I think I know why they will never try this. What do you think?

The frumious Bandersnatch

 

[TrueCreation]

But doesn't paleomagnetic data indicate that there were supercontinents before Pangea? How do reconcile that a single supercontinent that breaks up during the flood?

--Well wasn't the question, "What evidence do creationists have to support Pangea"? Your new question here isn't directly relevant to Pangea, but to pre-pangean continents. The paleomagnetic data for previous continents is somewhat ambiguous (or at least it is much more difficult to interpret the data correctly), though we can infer previous super-continents. For the YEC, about pre-paleozoic drift probably represents the initial formation of the earth, and at least Mesozoic+ drift represents that occuring during CPT.

This still doesn't really help with plant diversity and biogeography. For instance consider Nothophagus plants found in the southern hemisphere that can be used to trace continental drift because their seeds can't survive in water so they can't be transported by water. They also seem a little far away to have spread there after the ark especially since the continents were separted by then in the CPT model.

One experiment that creationists never seem to try is soaking the seeds of a wide variety of plants in water and then throwing them out on ground that has been under water for a year to see what grows. I think I know why they will never try this. What do you think?

--I wish I could give you some respectable input. Unfortunately, I really don't know my stuff when it comes to paleobiogeography, biogeography, or the dynamics of population evolution. I have no solution to the biogeography, or paleobotanical problems J. Meert or you have given in this thread. I hope that there are others doing this research though.

Cheers,
-Chris Grose

 

[troodon]

--I wish I could give you some respectable input. Unfortunately, I really don't know my stuff when it comes to paleobiogeography, biogeography, or the dynamics of population evolution. I have no solution to the biogeography, or paleobotanical problems J. Meert or you have given in this thread. I hope that there are others doing this research though.

So you have no idea how plants survived the alleged global flood?