"Pimps and hos"

[The Seeker]

A club in Liverpool is holding a "Pimps and hos" fancy dress night, where the men are supposed to dress up in the stereotypical pimp gear (flashy jewellery, gaudy suit, etc.) and women are supposed to dress up (to quote the flyers) "like you wanna sell your body". Stuff like this really depresses me. I mean, am I the only one who finds it more than a little disturbing that it is such a normal part of popular culture to glamourise an industry built upon brutal violence, sexual exploitation, misogyny and slavery?

Personally, I think its a sad commentary on western society that we have become so materialistic as to glorify the "pimp" as an archetype of urban cool and sophistication, just because of the surrounding aura of wealth.

 

[Aimee30]

Have to agree. No argument there.

 

[psychedelicist]

I'm sure there are some pacifistic pimps somewhere, and some hoes that actually enjoy their line of work.

But it's still kind of hard for me to see a pimp as "sophisticated" as you put it. They dress even more laughably than goths do. It's kind of hard to take them seriously.

 

[The Seeker]

I'm sure there are some pacifistic pimps somewhere, and some hoes that actually enjoy their line of work.

Doesn't change the fact that the glorification of the stereotypical "ghetto" pimp glosses over a culture of exploitation, rape and abuse. The sex trade is nasty even by capitalist standards.

 

[skinner]

Doesn't change the fact that the glorification of the stereotypical "ghetto" pimp glosses over a culture of exploitation, rape and abuse. The sex trade is nasty even by capitalist standards.

I'm in total agreement. (marks calender )

 

[BarbB]

Doesn't change the fact that the glorification of the stereotypical "ghetto" pimp glosses over a culture of exploitation, rape and abuse. The sex trade is nasty even by capitalist standards.

I agree with you totally. It's very difficult to watch degradation being celebrated and paraded as though it's laudable!

There are no more boundaries anymore. People don't seem to understand when they've crossed the line into the objectionable - or care if they do understand.

 

[NormalDan]

What this club is doing is all in good fun.
"Don't take life too seriously, no one gets out alive."

 

[jsfox]

Just a note. Fewer than 10% of sexworkers (or prostitutes) in the US and Europe are in the business under force. The vast majority, some 80-95%, are in the business of their own choice, mostly as independent or agency escorts or in sensual massage. Those under force are primarily streetwalkers (about 85% are forced) and in London's SOHO district walkups about 25% are forced. Pimps, btw, are the scum of the earth.

Interestingly, those who have worked in a variety of sectors in the sex industry generally rate stripping as the worst with film/video porn a close second. Independent escort is often considered the preferable sector.

 

[NormalDan]

Pimps, btw, are the scum of the earth.

I find your bigotry very offensive. How dare you call me scum of the earth? You don't know me! Look, finding tricks can be a very hard thing to do, especially when trying to find good and safe ones. Several women get beat up and raped by men they pick up off the streets. I admit, there are a lot of pimps out there who mistreat their girls, but there are also many of us who work just as hard as anyone else to ensure the safety and wellbeing of their girls.

 

[jsfox]

I see the results of women who have been forced into this and other industries. I have difficulty finding any humor in what you said.

 

[NormalDan]

I see the results of women who have been forced into this and other industries. I have difficulty finding any humor in what you said.

I was serious. I found what you said very offensive.

 

[PKJ]

They stole my idea.

 

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I find your bigotry very offensive. How dare you call me scum of the earth? You don't know me! Look, finding tricks can be a very hard thing to do, especially when trying to find good and safe ones. Several women get beat up and raped by men they pick up off the streets. I admit, there are a lot of pimps out there who mistreat their girls, but there are also many of us who work just as hard as anyone else to ensure the safety and wellbeing of their girls.

Yeah, I can just see it now. You have an entire group of young ladies who sell themselves and give you a percentage of the profit, because you keep them safe. You're out there doing background checks on everyone that flashes the cash, and letting them know that if your merchandise comes back broken, you'll be up in their faces with your fists of fury. In the mean time, you like to peruse Christian forums on the web, and declare your outrage toward anybody that dare question your gentlemanly manner.

Where can I get some of what you've been smoking?

 

[NormalDan]

Yeah, I can just see it now. You have an entire group of young ladies who sell themselves and give you a percentage of the profit, because you keep them safe. You're out there doing background checks on everyone that flashes the cash, and letting them know that if your merchandise comes back broken, you'll be up in their faces with your fists of fury. In the mean time, you like to peruse Christian forums on the web, and declare your outrage toward anybody that dare question your gentlemanly manner.

Where can I get some of what you've been smoking?

I'm here to clear up a lot of negativity shown towards minority groups. Religion often spreads so many lies about certain kinds of people that its followers end up being brainwashed and closed minded. They don't even take the time to know the people they ridicule. I know so many people who think Satan worshipers are bad, horrible, disgusting people. Etc. It sickens me.

 

[Corran]

Just to clear thing's about "pimp's" up a bit. growing up (years 14-18) one of my main "father figure's" was a "pimp". He did not wear fancy clothe's ,drive epencive car's or wear rolex's. Why? Because to do so would draw the attention of tax official's and the police, I meam its kinda suspicious to be spending large amounts of cash when you are officialy a plumber or electrion or unemployed. Also I have talked to several "ho's" and the all tell the same story. They came from estonia to Finland and sell them self's because doing so they make 10x what they could make duing "honest work". Also they told me several of them do it to provide the fund's to provide their children with a proper education. All in all i find the steriotype ppl seem to have about "pimp's" and ho's laughable.

 

[The Seeker]

What this club is doing is all in good fun.
"Don't take life too seriously, no one gets out alive."

Sorry, I happen to regard the sex trade as being very serious and extremely nasty. The commodification of sexuality and the human body is a terrible thing and not something to be glorified, IMO.

 

[The Seeker]

Edit: Nevermind, its not even worth the innevitable mod edit.

 

[Jetgirl]

A club in Liverpool is holding a "Pimps and hos" fancy dress night, where the men are supposed to dress up in the stereotypical pimp gear (flashy jewellery, gaudy suit, etc.) and women are supposed to dress up (to quote the flyers) "like you wanna sell your body".

We have those quite a bit here. I think they're stupid and the best place in town to get date-raped if you do so desire.

But then again, I have this apparantly wacky notion that "sexy" does not imply "fabric so thin and tight that I can read the serial number on your iud". You should have seen my college formal. I wore a ball gown, everyone else wore spandex.

 

[theeyesoftammyfaye]

as a quick aside, i'd like to point out that at almost every college and university in the US, a fraternity or sorority sponsors a party just like this every year. "pimps and hos," "prostitutes and pimps," blahblah.

EDIT: oh and by the way, i've attended a couple of 'em and had a great time. a gay "pimp," imagine that.

 

[FSTDT]

But it's still kind of hard for me to see a pimp as "sophisticated" as you put it. They dress even more laughably than goths do. It's kind of hard to take them seriously.

Off topic, but I remember in high school how popular the "gangsta" and "goth" looks were, even my own sister got into it (going so far as to dye her hair black, wear safety pins in her pants, etc.). Then, when high school was over, all of the goth people who I knew started dressing like normal everyday people because there was no more reinforcing element to compell them to dress so silly anymore, and that got me thinking just how non-individualistic people are (even to the point of being dishonest with themselves by dressing in ways in which they would never feel comfortable with in the first place).

EDIT: oh and by the way, i've attended a couple of 'em and had a great time. a gay "pimp," imagine that.

I used to hear from my friends all the time about how it would be the greatest thing in the world to be a pimp or a male prostitute. And I'd tell them every time "you know that you would never be servicing women, right?"