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This "battle" has been going on since Genesis.

Let me show it to you.

Its this..: "The Error of Cain". Its explained in Jude 1. And its explained more fully in Galatians 1:8.
  • Its this..: "The Error of Cain"
  • Its this.... Cain brought his WORKS to try and make God accept him, and God said, "NO" !! Abel brought another's BLOOD and God said.... "ENTER IN".
  • See the 2 Gospels? One is GRACE.....One is SELF. SELF EFFORT... WORKS.
    So, There is only one real "fight"...and that is.......You either recognize that God keeps you saved, or you teach that You keep you saved.
  • Cain or Abel
  • GRACE vs LAW
  • JUDE 1
  • Paul Galatians 1:8

There is only one real "fight"...and that is.......You either recognize that God keeps you saved, or you teach that You keep you saved.

A legalist was running around here recently stating...."those who have ears to hear".

Ok, HEAR WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU....OR NOT.

So, you either teach and BELIEVE that the Blood of Jesus that saved you, Keeps YOU Saved, or you teach AGAINST the Grace of God and you teach and BELIEVE that you can lose your salvation.

To teach that you can "Lose your Salvation" is to teach that "Eternal Life" is not eternal, (who IS Christ in you) and that the Blood Atonement is only as good as you are.....

Did you HEAR me?

You are ONE or the OTHER......There is no in between........There is no common ground ever found between the CROSS and SELF EFFORT.

Does God keep you saved, or do you keep you saved?

Which one ARE YOU ???!!
 
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This "battle" has been going on since Genesis.

Let me show it to you.

Its this..: "The Error of Cain". Its explained in Jude 1. And its explained more fully in Galatians 1:8.

There is only one real "fight"...and that is.......You either recognize that God keeps you saved, or you teach that You keep you saved.

A legalist was running around here recently stating...."those who have ears to hear".

Ok, HEAR WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU....OR NOT.

So, you either teach and BELIEVE that the Blood of Jesus that saved you, Keeps YOU Saved, or you teach AGAINST the Grace of God and you teach and BELIEVE that you can lose your salvation.

To teach that you can "Lose your Salvation" is to teach that "Eternal Life" is not eternal, (who IS Christ in you) and that the Blood Atonement is only as good as you are.....

Did you HEAR me?

You are ONE or the OTHER......There is no in between........There is no common ground ever found between the CROSS and SELF EFFORT.

Does God keep you saved, or do you keep you saved?

Which one ARE YOU ???!!
Hey Behold....
Are you L....??
It's your writing style....


I also am very concerned with this soteriology because I've hard persons say that they can do what they want and still be saved. They can be as mean as anyone on these threads and yet proclaim that they cannot become lost again. One person on this very site has stated that he could blaspheme the Holy Spirit and still be saved.

I believe that your belief system may cause some to have a false sense of security and God is an eternal God and does not change. He is loving but also just.

So let me ask you this:
Can an unclean person enter into heaven?
Would you say that those persons I've described above are saved?
 
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So, you either teach and BELIEVE that the Blood of Jesus that saved you, Keeps YOU Saved, or you teach AGAINST the Grace of God and you teach and BELIEVE that you can lose your salvation.
I teach how the blood of Jesus saves us and keeps us and the New Covenant of Christ's blood includes how God succeeds in us to have us doing all He means by His word.
Does God keep you saved, or do you keep you saved?
God saves a person, plus God succeeds in doing all His word means with every child of God. And this includes how Hebrews 12:4-14 guarantees that every child of God gets our Father's correction >

"But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons." (Hebrews 12:8)

So, no a person is not guaranteed salvation if the person is going on in evil and not being corrected by God. Because God's success in correcting us is included in the New Covenant of Jesus Christ's shed blood > Hebrews 12:4-14.

Therefore, part of why we can't lose our salvation is how we are guaranteed how God is able to correct each of us! . . . so we share with Him in His holiness . . . "without which no one will see the Lord." (in Hebrews 12:14)

I've hard persons say that they can do what they want and still be saved. They can be as mean as anyone on these threads and yet proclaim that they cannot become lost again.
I suppose any of us might at times do what we want, but God corrects His children > Hebrews 12:4-14. Our doing what we want, then, will not continue. And I find that as God changes us in our character, what we want changes . . . very well.

In my case, I would say I have experienced how we can share with God in His love; so . . . when I even start to get into stupid stuff, I get homesick very quickly to be back with God in His love and sharing with my Jesus family people.

So, I would say > you can't lose it, but you can't keep doing what is wrong if you have it; because our Father will correct our character so we become unable to keep on in what is wrong, if we are children of God.
 
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God makes you saved but He sanctifies you there is a remnant according to grace romans says but that grace makes you holy

You are just as HOLY as JESUS MADE YOU WITH His BLOOD.
That is now Holy you are.... mikeforjesus...if you are born again.
Jesus has your sin and YOU have Jesus's righteousness.

Now, go and LIVE your LIFE for Christ, BECAUSE you are already SAVED.
That's why you are now going to go and be a DISCIPLE.

So, Salvation has made you RIGHTEOUS.
Now GO and LIVE according to this REALITY.

"but gee, don't i go and do it to try to stay saved, isnt that why im trying to LIVE RIGHT".

A.) NO....you are already Saved.

How saved? You are as saved as the Blood of Jesus can make you and keep you saved.
 
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You are just as HOLY as JESUS MADE YOU WITH His BLOOD.
Jesus' blood makes a person holy by becoming a child of God when the person is saved, yes.

But next there is how God's correction > Hebrews 12:4-14 > changes our character so we "become partakers of His holiness". This is because of character correction, by God Himself.
 
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Hey Behold....
Are you L....??
It's your writing style....

A.) Yes.

So, readers.... can you out sin the Blood of Jesus..????
That is your question...
And you say....What if i just keep on and can't stop and wont..
Is there enough Redeeming Power in the blood of Jesus, to keep on keeping me SAVED. ?????????????

So, hummmmm.

Well, "where SIN abounds, GRACE more Abounds""...

Another way to look at it is this...The Blood of Jesus, is an overpayment for your sin....as its an ETERNAL Payment.

"Jesus , = having obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION for us"..

See that word eternal,????? that does not mean...3 weeks and 4 hrs....Ok?
It does not mean until you sin again.

You are REDEEMED FOREVER... " JESUS = Having OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION". For us.....

You are born again, INTO GOD's Spirit. That is where you are right now.
If you are born again, you are in Spiritual UNION with God and Christ, right now.

When God saved you, He knew all the sins you would commit for the rest of your life and God saved you anyway... didn't He?
That is because Jesus took your sin, and you became Jesus's Righteousness.

Reader, You are a temporary person down here, who has been given ETERNAL LIFE.

Jesus, who Himself IS Eternal LIFE< is IN YOU.......FOREVER.

"I AM THE Resurrection AND THE LIFE", and that LIFE IS IN YOU..... and you are "IN CHRIST".

Q.) But what if i walk away.

A.) Can you stop being BORN Again?
A.)2. "no one can take you out of MY HAND" says Jesus, and that includes YOU.
A.)3.. "I give you ETERNAL LIFE, and you the born again, shall NEVER Perish"..

See that word "NEVER"?...... That's what it means.

So, how long is that?
C'mon...How long is Eternal LIFE?

So, can the ETERNAL Payment, the Blood Atonement, Pay for your time of sinning, that is what, 80 yrs down here, if you make it that long?
IT ALREADY HAS.... !

But better then all that, is this....Jesus BECAME your sin....He didnt just bear it and forgive it... He BECAME your sin on the Cross and it died when He died so did your "old man", your sin...., and you became "the righteousness of God, In Christ".

This is you......= "As Jesus IS, so are the BORN AGAIN, in this WORLD"...
This is you..."Seated in heavenly places, IN CHRIST"

Your dying body is down HERE< but your born again Spirit is WITH GOD....Already.
All that is left is for you to get the NEW BODY that will be the Eternal one that will contain what is already BORN AGAIN.

So, anyone who is reading me, and lights are clicking inside your spirit,.. then just believe what i just told you.
Listen.....Do not believe anyone who will try to convince you that the BLOOD OF GOD, AS JESUS IS GOD ON THE CROSS, does not have the Power to KEEP YOU SAVED.
You don't keep yourself saved. God keeps you saved using The Blood of Jesus.

Philippians 1:6. "God who began your salvation IN YOU, will Himself be Faithful to complete it"... for you.

So, reader, decide if you are going to go and live as a Self Righteous SELF SAVOR, or if you are going to TRUST CHRIST TO KEEP YOU SAVED and give Him all the credit and all the Glory for doing it.. for you.

What did you decide?
 
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Jesus' blood makes a person holy by becoming a child of God when the person is saved, yes.

But next there is how God's correction > Hebrews 12:4-14 > changes our character so we "become partakers of His holiness". This is because of character correction, by God Himself.

What if you die before God gets a chance to put Hebrews 12:6 on you?

com7fy8, What if God has your chastening planned for next Tuesday, but you die tonight?

So, think about that one...
 
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So, no a person is not guaranteed salvation .

Salvation is the eternal fact of being Born Again.
You can fake "fruit"...you can fake trying to SOUND like a christian.
Thats easy. forums are full of religious fakirs who have crosses around their necks and are members of the biggest cult in town...
A person can be a devil led blood drinking Christ hating monster and be right on this forum talking about...."well, yes, God saves you, but you see, you have to THEN KEEP YOURSELF SAVED...you have to go and do, and do, and keep and keep, and not do that, or that."""""" = so that the LIST becomes your faith, and YOU try to become the one on the CROSS.
Yes....plenty of devils are teaching that false gospel. There are a lot of Galatian 1:8. people on all Christian Forums worldwide, and ive talked to many of them.
I preach GRACE. Paul Taught GRACE. Jesus IS GRACE.
They preach SELF.
The devil preaches SELF. SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS.....= trying to Keep SELF RIGHT with GOD by SELF.
That is the DEVIL's Gospel, and its everywhere....
So, sure.... people on Forums, people in churches, people in Pulpits, family members, can be absolute DEVILS who try to replace the Cross with SELF effort, and water baptism and any other religious ACT or work of SELF.

Salvation is not about SELF....Its about God's BLOOD.
 
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if you continue in his goodness:

The Blood Atonement is the "goodness" of God.
You dont continue in that by SELF.
You are made RIGHTEOUS by the BLOOD of JESUS.
That is how you CONTINUE.
Its called ETERNAL LIFE.
That is the "continuance'.
YOU, don't do that for SELF.
Christ did that on THE CROSS....for you John 3:16

"the GIFT of Righteousness"

You can't earn that and you can't keep it.

Its a FINISHED Salvation. "The GIFT of Salvation".
 
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So, you either teach and BELIEVE that the Blood of Jesus that saved you, Keeps YOU Saved, or you teach AGAINST the Grace of God and you teach and BELIEVE that you can lose your salvation

Here's what I don't understand. For the sake of argument, let's say you're correct. It's by the blood, by grace alone. Is the one who believes and teaches works righteousness not saved because of what they believe/teach? According to your position, what they believe/teach may be in error, but it has no effecaciousness towards or against salvation. In other words, they may very well be saved, in spite of their error.

So, why does it really matter if they're wrong? Is the wrong teaching going to somehow overcome sovereign grace? I'm confused. Are people saved by grace or by believing in grace, i.e. the correct teaching? It seems half-hearted to proclaim grace alone and yet castigate those in error as if such a state could nullify grace. Does that make sense?
 
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What if you die before God gets a chance to put Hebrews 12:6 on you?
Let's see > Hebrews 12:6 >

"For whom the LORD loves He chastens,
.And scourges every son whom He receives."

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Hebrews 12:6)

This is a guarantee. So, I understand this means God will manage things so we get the correction we need. We will not just die by chance before God does His will with us, since God is in control.

com7fy8, What if God has your chastening planned for next Tuesday, but you die tonight?
That would be a problem Satan would have, but we in Jesus have our Father who does not plan something and it never happens.

"Known to God from eternity are all His works." (Acts 15:18)

This is if we are talking about God "who works all things according to the counsel of His own will." (in Ephesians 1:11)

By the way, with each of God's children, this chastening is ongoing, not at only certain times. But He is changing our character . . . not just hitting us at times for doing something wrong. Punishing is not correcting, is it? And painful actions do not really change a person's character to become God's way > but we need how God richly abundantly creates excellence in us, changing us to be and to love like Christ, while we minister this to one another > Ephesians 4:15. But there are abusive human fathers who suppose that correction means smacking a kid, at times.

But our Father is constantly being attentive with us, transforming our character so we are maturing in how Jesus is and loves. Correct means how Jesus is. Correction, then, changes our character so we share with Jesus who is growing in us as our new inner Person > Galatians 4:19.

So, this is not how Satan does with his counterfeit correction . . . procrastinating until next week, even!! . . . and threatening > Jesus, "when He suffered, did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously." (in 1 Peter 2:23) God does not only threaten us with punishment and dying, but He succeeds in us >

"for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure." (Philippians 2:13)

So, then, by the way > this is not about how humans work and try and struggle, but how God works.
 
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A.) Yes.

So, readers.... can you out sin the Blood of Jesus..????
That is your question...
And you say....What if i just keep on and can't stop and wont..
Is there enough Redeeming Power in the blood of Jesus, to keep on keeping me SAVED. ?????????????

So, hummmmm.

Well, "where SIN abounds, GRACE more Abounds""...
Yes, where sin abounds grace abounds more...
but you left out the very next sentence:

Romans 6:1-2
1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
2May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?


Paul goes on to say that we have died with Christ so that we have been raised from the dead and we too might walk in the newness of life.

Paul says our body of sin might be done away with..verse 6...and that we should no longer be slaves to sin.

Verse 8...if we have died with Christ we shall also live with Him....can sin live with Christ?

Verse 16...we are slaves to the one to whom we present ourselves...either of sin resulting in death..or of obedience resulting in righteousness.

You do no one a favor by making it sound as if we could still live a life of sin and still be saved.

Paul DOES NOT teach that we could still sin and still be saved.


Another way to look at it is this...The Blood of Jesus, is an overpayment for your sin....as its an ETERNAL Payment.

"Jesus , = having obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION for us"..

See that word eternal,????? that does not mean...3 weeks and 4 hrs....Ok?
It does not mean until you sin again.

The blood of Jesus is payment for our sins. This does not mean we are to take advantage of this.

The acceptance of this payment will save our soul,,,but we are also to obey.

John 3:36
36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.



You are REDEEMED FOREVER... " JESUS = Having OBTAINED ETERNAL REDEMPTION". For us.....

You are born again, INTO GOD's Spirit. That is where you are right now.
If you are born again, you are in Spiritual UNION with God and Christ, right now.
We are in spiritual union with God right now and for as long as we walk with Jesus and abide in Him.

John 15:5-6
5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.

If anyone does not abide in Jesus he is thrown away as a branch and is burned.

We are to abide in Christ in order to be saved.

The message of Jesus, Paul and John does not change....

When God saved you, He knew all the sins you would commit for the rest of your life and God saved you anyway... didn't He?
That is because Jesus took your sin, and you became Jesus's Righteousness.
Agreed.

Reader, You are a temporary person down here, who has been given ETERNAL LIFE.

Jesus, who Himself IS Eternal LIFE< is IN YOU.......FOREVER.

"I AM THE Resurrection AND THE LIFE", and that LIFE IS IN YOU..... and you are "IN CHRIST".
Yes, Jesus is the resurrection and the life.
This is what HE said:

25Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, 26and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”

Everyone that BELIEVES (present tense) in Jesus will live...everyone who lives and BELIEVES (present tense) will never die.

Those that do NOT believe will not be saved.
One must believe and be born again at the time of death.

Q.) But what if i walk away.

A.) Can you stop being BORN Again?
A.)2. "no one can take you out of MY HAND" says Jesus, and that includes YOU.
A.)3.. "I give you ETERNAL LIFE, and you the born again, shall NEVER Perish"..

See that word "NEVER"?...... That's what it means.

So, how long is that?
C'mon...How long is Eternal LIFE?
I agree and explained above.
If we BELIEVE we have eternal life.
IF we have eternal life we shall never perish..referring to the second death (and the first).

You take ONE WORD "never" and make a doctrine out of it. This is no proper hemeneutics...you must take ALL of scripture into account.

Even the evil one cannot take us out of the hand of God...but we can certainly walk away from Him because we retain our free will even after salvation.
Do you not believe this? When was our free will taken away at salvation? Is there a scripture for this? I can't think of any.

So, can the ETERNAL Payment, the Blood Atonement, Pay for your time of sinning, that is what, 80 yrs down here, if you make it that long?
IT ALREADY HAS.... !

But better then all that, is this....Jesus BECAME your sin....He didnt just bear it and forgive it... He BECAME your sin on the Cross and it died when He died so did your "old man", your sin...., and you became "the righteousness of God, In Christ".

This is you......= "As Jesus IS, so are the BORN AGAIN, in this WORLD"...
This is you..."Seated in heavenly places, IN CHRIST"

Your dying body is down HERE< but your born again Spirit is WITH GOD....Already.
All that is left is for you to get the NEW BODY that will be the Eternal one that will contain what is already BORN AGAIN.
Agreed.
Just as you said:
Our BORN AGAIN spirit is with God....
We must be born again --- always.
If we do not abide in Christ...we will be like a dead branch that does not bear fruit.

So, anyone who is reading me, and lights are clicking inside your spirit,.. then just believe what i just told you.
Listen.....Do not believe anyone who will try to convince you that the BLOOD OF GOD, AS JESUS IS GOD ON THE CROSS, does not have the Power to KEEP YOU SAVED.
You don't keep yourself saved. God keeps you saved using The Blood of Jesus.

Philippians 1:6. "God who began your salvation IN YOU, will Himself be Faithful to complete it"... for you.
God will finish the good work in us for as long as we allow Him to. God does not force Himself on anyone.

Revelation 3:20 Jesus says:
20‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

Jesus knocks...
We must open the door and let Him in.
If we remove Him from our life...we will become lost.


So, reader, decide if you are going to go and live as a Self Righteous SELF SAVOR, or if you are going to TRUST CHRIST TO KEEP YOU SAVED and give Him all the credit and all the Glory for doing it.. for you.

What did you decide?
I decided to live with Christ,
be a disciple to the best of my ability,
give HIM all the credit and glory,
and NO ONE could save themselves but are in need of the Holy Spirit that indwells in believers.
 
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This "battle" has been going on since Genesis.

Let me show it to you.

Its this..: "The Error of Cain". Its explained in Jude 1. And its explained more fully in Galatians 1:8.
  • Its this..: "The Error of Cain"
  • Its this.... Cain brought his WORKS to try and make God accept him, and God said, "NO" !! Abel brought another's BLOOD and God said.... "ENTER IN".
  • See the 2 Gospels? One is GRACE.....One is SELF. SELF EFFORT... WORKS.
    So, There is only one real "fight"...and that is.......You either recognize that God keeps you saved, or you teach that You keep you saved.
  • Cain or Abel
  • GRACE vs LAW
  • JUDE 1
  • Paul Galatians 1:8

There is only one real "fight"...and that is.......You either recognize that God keeps you saved, or you teach that You keep you saved.

A legalist was running around here recently stating...."those who have ears to hear".

Ok, HEAR WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU....OR NOT.

So, you either teach and BELIEVE that the Blood of Jesus that saved you, Keeps YOU Saved, or you teach AGAINST the Grace of God and you teach and BELIEVE that you can lose your salvation.

To teach that you can "Lose your Salvation" is to teach that "Eternal Life" is not eternal, (who IS Christ in you) and that the Blood Atonement is only as good as you are.....

Did you HEAR me?

You are ONE or the OTHER......There is no in between........There is no common ground ever found between the CROSS and SELF EFFORT.

Does God keep you saved, or do you keep you saved?

Which one ARE YOU ???!!
I am going to say eternally saved.
 
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This "battle" has been going on since Genesis.

Let me show it to you.

Its this..: "The Error of Cain". Its explained in Jude 1. And its explained more fully in Galatians 1:8.
  • Its this..: "The Error of Cain"
  • Its this.... Cain brought his WORKS to try and make God accept him, and God said, "NO" !! Abel brought another's BLOOD and God said.... "ENTER IN".
  • See the 2 Gospels? One is GRACE.....One is SELF. SELF EFFORT... WORKS.
    So, There is only one real "fight"...and that is.......You either recognize that God keeps you saved, or you teach that You keep you saved.
  • Cain or Abel
  • GRACE vs LAW
  • JUDE 1
  • Paul Galatians 1:8

There is only one real "fight"...and that is.......You either recognize that God keeps you saved, or you teach that You keep you saved.

A legalist was running around here recently stating...."those who have ears to hear".

Ok, HEAR WHAT I JUST TOLD YOU....OR NOT.

So, you either teach and BELIEVE that the Blood of Jesus that saved you, Keeps YOU Saved, or you teach AGAINST the Grace of God and you teach and BELIEVE that you can lose your salvation.

To teach that you can "Lose your Salvation" is to teach that "Eternal Life" is not eternal, (who IS Christ in you) and that the Blood Atonement is only as good as you are.....

Did you HEAR me?

You are ONE or the OTHER......There is no in between........There is no common ground ever found between the CROSS and SELF EFFORT.

Does God keep you saved, or do you keep you saved?

Which one ARE YOU ???!!
Your fight maybe saved or unsaved that is irrelevant for me I know I am saved. My fight is with a supernatural enemy who is trying to destroy me and everyone on the planet. Until you can behold and see the true enemy you are caught in endless debate and theology of belief in practice.
I have no idea if anything I said can even be understood.
 
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Your fight maybe saved or unsaved that is irrelevant for me I know I am saved. My fight is with a supernatural enemy who is trying to destroy me and everyone on the planet. Until you can behold and see the true enemy you are caught in endless debate and theology of belief in practice.
I have no idea if anything I said can even be understood.
understood -
We should be fighting the enemy instead of ourselves.
We should be united in that fight.
So why am I here?
I've learned a lot on these threads.
I also have a couple of doctrine that I believe are incorrect BUT very important to understand properly.

But I do agree with you too.
 
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Here's what I don't understand. For the sake of argument, let's say you're correct. It's by the blood, by grace alone. Is the one who believes and teaches works righteousness not saved because of what they believe/teach? According to your position, what they believe/teach may be in error, but it has no effecaciousness towards or against salvation. In other words, they may very well be saved, in spite of their error.

So, why does it really matter if they're wrong? Is the wrong teaching going to somehow overcome sovereign grace? I'm confused. Are people saved by grace or by believing in grace, i.e. the correct teaching? It seems half-hearted to proclaim grace alone and yet castigate those in error as if such a state could nullify grace. Does that make sense?

Can you be saved and be a Grace denying, Cross rejecting, Heretic? A Legalist?
Yes.

And so, this person is not going to hell, no matter how they scream that you can "lose your salvation" from their self righteous mountaintop.
But, their teaching is "cursed of God", and they are under this curse, yet, being saved.
Galatians 1:8

And why is this for them a curse, ? Its because they are teaching AGAINST the very same Grace that saved them... The blood of Christ.
And more so, this one teaching, not only rejects the Grace of God but it has the capacity to destroy a baby Christian for life....As it can lead them to no longer believe that the are "saved by Grace thru Faith", but instead they have to try to live holy or they will lose their salvation.
That's what this damnable teaching does to new Christians. It harms them for life.
So, God curses you for cursing them.....
You REAP what you SOW if you are that person, doing that....
Galatians 1:8

How do you do this? Galatians 1:8 and a Jude 1 ?

All you have to do is teach that you can lose your salvation.
Just teach that, once to someone, or on a forum in public....and you are under the curse as defined as Galatians 1:8
 
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