Physics and the Immortality of the Soul

[Guy1]

Didn't God create nature, then give us scientists to interpret it?

Remember who you're talking to *cough*atheist*cough*. So no- your god did not create nature.

 

[Norman321]

Now will someone please give me a scientific definition of "SOUL"? Anyone

We just gave you a scientific definition. As far as science is concerned there is NO difference between a soul and mind. EXCEPT when people make a claim for immortality. Then the word Soul comes into play because Science does not accept immortality. Even Psychology shuffles this discussion off into something they call: "Transpersonal psychology".

 

[AV1611VET]

Remember who you're talking to *cough*atheist*cough*. So no- your god did not create nature.

Oh, ya ... sorry ... your custom user title fooled me.

 

[Norman321]

Didn't God create nature, then give us scientists to interpret it?

Science created nature then gave us God to interpret it.
Only the atheists claim the God science gave us does not exist.

 

[AV1611VET]

We just gave you a scientific definition. As far as science is concerned there is NO difference between a soul and mind. EXCEPT when people make a claim for immortality. Then the word Soul comes into play because Science does not accept immortality.

With some people, I don't think they know what to ask, since they aren't that familiar with theology.

Then when they get a question answered with a 25¢ term, they go 404.

I've been accused here of making up dispensation theology; I'd hate to see how they would react if a Calvinist laid supralapsarianism on them --

 

[Norman321]

I've been accused here of making up dispensation theology; I'd hate to see how they would react if a Calvinist laid supralapsarianism on them --

Maybe the same way they react when I tell them about Wesley's teaching on the resurrection. Somehow they can not grasp the concept that you can scatter the ashes to the wind and at the resurrection God can bring them all back together again.

Did Calvin talk about dispensationalism? I thought that was Darby's teaching.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe the same way they react when I tell them about Wesley's teaching on the resurrection. Somehow they can not grasp the concept that you can scatter the ashes to the wind and at the resurrection God can bring them all back together again.

Yup ... people blown to bits in war will still be resurrected.

Did Calvin talk about dispensationalism?

Not that I know of.

I thought that was Darby's teaching.

Dispensationalism and supralapsarianism are two completely different things.

I didn't mean to imply that they were related.

One deals with units of time, and the other deals with election.

 

[Norman321]

Yup ... people blown to bits in war will still be resurrected.

Maybe that is to much for them to grasp the concept. That is why I usually try to stick to the area science does support and can verify to be true. They seem to have enough trouble just dealing with that.

 

[Illuminaughty]

Probably best to look to the field of psychology for a scientific definition. It's the field that studies the psyche / soul.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe that is to much for them to grasp the concept. That is why I usually try to stick to the area science does support and can verify to be true. They seem to have enough trouble just dealing with that.

If that's your style, that's certainly fine by me.

My style is a complete absence of science -- (as best I can) -- coupled with a healthy dose of 'God did it.'

That usually draws out those who try to bury me in science, then they get a preview as to how faith operates.

Once the conversation descends into ridicule, mockery and venting, I figure I've done my job; since neither one of us is talking science anymore.

 

[AV1611VET]

Probably best to look to the field of psychology for a scientific definition. It's the field that studies the psyche / soul.

Psychology is one of the most anti-Christian fields around.

I'm a member of the Psychoheresy Awareness Ministry (Dave Hunt is contributing editor), and it's amazing the garbage psychology puts out.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Probably best to look to the field of psychology for a scientific definition. It's the field that studies the psyche / soul.

Psychology studies the mind, which is a function of the body. Psychology has no data or evidence that the mind is anything more than a process of the brain, or that a soul exists outside of the body.

Every day we're getting closer to the eventual consumption of psychiatry by neurology.

 

[Elendur]

Psychology is one of the most anti-Christian fields around.

I'm a member of the Psychoheresy Awareness Ministry (Dave Hunt is contributing editor), and it's amazing the garbage psychology puts out.

There isn't any science that is 'anti' any religion, it doesn't care.
Now if you were to say that the results and studies contradicts your specific faith that doesn't make it 'anti' either.
Does the word 'agnostic' say anything to you?

 

[Norman321]

Does the word 'agnostic' say anything to you?

Actually the agnostic is perhaps the most honest. They admit they do not have enough information to decide an issue one way or the other. Problem is that it's not acceptable to be a fence sitter, you usually have to decide one way or the other.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

Actually the agnostic is perhaps the most honest. They admit they do not have enough information to decide an issue one way or the other. Problem is that it's not acceptable to be a fence sitter, you usually have to decide one way or the other.

Educate yourself on the difference between "belief" and "knowledge":

 

[Norman321]

Every day we're getting closer to the eventual consumption of psychiatry by neurology.

So we can add neurologist to the list of people that are going to save the world?

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[Elendur]

Actually the agnostic is perhaps the most honest. They admit they do not have enough information to decide an issue one way or the other. Problem is that it's not acceptable to be a fence sitter, you usually have to decide one way or the other.

Why is it not acceptable to not choose a side?

I think it's quite honest to not choose sides if there isn't enough information to decide.

 

[Ronald]

Those things are generally defined, and are observable behaviors based on emotions.

So you think all emotions, including love, creative abilities are just chemicals in the brain? So your mother loved you because she had this chemical and those who dump the babies in a garbage bin do not?
Mozart, Einstein and what ... more chemicals or just new how to use more of a part of their brains at the age of four? A talent isn't a gift, an act of love is a physical response to a chemical in the brain?
If you say they can identify these chemicals, let me know, we'll market them to the entire planet so we can all be loving and creative equally!

Soul, as hyperbole is fine and dandy when describing one's personality, essence, desires, hopes, dreams, etc., but to suggest it is something that actually survives death is an unsupportable assertion.

If no one came back from the dead to tell about it, then we would have to rely on faith alone. But Jesus came back from the dead and hundreds of eye witnesses saw him. Lazarus being dead for 4 days, and he was brought back. Pick the book "The Boy Who Came Back From Heaven" by Kevin Malarkey. He died on the operating table (as many others have) and came back to tell his story.

 

[Ronald]

Do you have any scientific definition of a soul or not?

The soul is the information of a person which is acquired at conception beyond the DNA. DNA is information but the image of the soul is invisible and reflects God. In it's beginning, it is taught and the information grows in size while it learns to control the physical sensory functions. It learns to respond to outside information and develop behavior, create and order ideas and manifest them physically, think intelligently and communicate with other souls. The growth of this information combines with DNA that was passed down from the parents. The soul can learn and teach other souls. It feels emotions and has a will that directs it's actions. If it is gifted, then it will excel in certain abilities beyond the norm. These gifts are not chemicals. You can't cut open the brain and see information either, it has no mass. The soul has no mass ... unless it's Catholic and goes to church on Sunday.

What you need is some soul food!

 

[Guy1]

The soul is the information of a person which is acquired at conception beyond the DNA. DNA is information but the image of the soul is invisible and reflects God. In it's beginning, it is taught and the information grows in size while it learns to control the physical sensory functions. It learns to respond to outside information and develop behavior, create and order ideas and manifest them physically, think intelligently and communicate with other souls. The growth of this information combines with DNA that was passed down from the parents. The soul can learn and teach other souls. It feels emotions and has a will that directs it's actions. If it is gifted, then it will excel in certain abilities beyond the norm.

So soul=brain. Got it.