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Actually Paul says to: "Test all things; hold fast what is good." So at what point do we determine what can be tested and what can not be tested?don't bother challenging this now, this is too incredible for you to understand.
The point Carrol was making is that there is NOTHING in science to back that up. You can not store memory using pure energy. My response was that it's a mute point because of the resurrection of the dead. The physical body is raised.
Valid point no doubt. They had all the bases covered in a sermon back in the 1700's. R U ready to go into that right now? Because no matter how you slice it or dice it, substance has been dedicated. Still, enlighten me. When you cremate someone what is left? Molecular substance. R U trying to suggest that there is no molecular memory storage? That memory storage does not take place on a Nano scale?Yes the decaying body that long ago lost all of it's brain cells.
Valid point no doubt. They had all the bases covered in a sermon back in the 1700's. R U ready to go into that right now?
Still, enlighten me. When you cremate someone what is left?
Are you trying to suggest that there is no molecular memory storage?
That memory storage does not take place on a Nano scale?
You do not know if they hold memory or not, just because you have no way to retrieve that memory.Last I checked, ashes don't hold memories.
You do not know if they hold memory or not, just because you have no way to retrieve that memory.
Are the atoms destoyed when you burn the body? How many atoms make up a person? A 70 kg body would have approximately 7*1027 atoms.
"The world’s smallest magnetic data storage unit is made of just 12 atoms, squeezing an entire byte into just 96 atoms"
So what is 7*1027 divided by 96?
You have failed to prove that the ashes do not hold memory.How does this relate to ashes?
You have failed to prove that the ashes do not hold memory.
Because ashes are made up of atoms and atoms can store memory.
DNA needs 32 atoms to store one bit
Actually Carrols challange failed. If you can not see that, then your in denyal.You've failed to prove
"DNA needs 32 atoms to store one bit" Just do a google search. Clearly you have not researched any of this at all.Source?
Ashes are carbon. So it relates to carbon as it has been shown that carbon can store memory. The challange was not to prove that carbon does store immortal memory (soul). The challange was that carbon COULD store that memory. Now they are telling us that Graphene memory can store for up to 100,000 years at 1000 times the speed. It has been tested for 20,000 reps and is only 10 atoms thick making conventional memory look huge and ungainly.Congratulations. You've found a device specifically designed by nanotech engineers to store data. How does this relate to ashes?
considering that all matter is made up of atoms and all living things contain atoms that originated from inorganic and dead organic matter then suffice it to say that all our atoms contain memory of bacteria, plants, dinosaurs, shrimps, rocks, air, etcAshes are carbon. So it relates to carbon as it has been shown that carbon can store memory. The challange was not to prove that carbon does store immortal memory (soul). The challange was that carbon COULD store that memory. Now they are telling us that Graphene memory can store for up to 100,000 years at 1000 times the speed. It has been tested for 20,000 reps and is only 10 atoms thick making conventional memory look huge and ungainly.
Ashes are carbon.
So it relates to carbon as it has been shown that carbon can store memory.
The challange was not to prove that carbon does store immortal memory (soul).
Now they are telling us that Graphene memory can store for up to 100,000 years at 1000 times the speed. It has been tested for 20,000 reps and is only 10 atoms thick making conventional memory look huge and ungainly.
Yes, very good, that is the direction we are heading in. But I am in no hurry to get there. Because there are some theories out there that ALL life has cognitive ability. For example they have done experiments with talking to plants and the plants do seem to thrive better then the control group that received negative energy. Also the point that different organisms share the same atoms was the biggest part of the paper from the 1700's on this subject. So we are getting into the real issue here.considering that all matter is made up of atoms and all living things contain atoms that originated from inorganic and dead organic matter then suffice it to say that all our atoms contain memory of bacteria, plants, dinosaurs, shrimps, rocks, air, etcWow! No wonder I keep dreaming I am an amoeba in the Cretaceous marshes!
Carrol is not asking us to show that the soul is immortal. He is only asking us to show that their is a soul that COULD be immortal. This so called "ridiculous ideas" is pretty much the only ball game I can find when it comes to any scientific evidence to show that memories continue after death. My father always believed hard line science. When we die the memory in our brain is erased as if it had never been there. Yet up to 98% of the people believe in eternal life and that memory continues on after death. So when you have that many people believe something that has NO scientific support, then I think Carrol's request is a very reasonable one. Also I think it is reasonable to ask if every atom in our Body does in some way store memory. I do not think that is a ridiculous idea at all. There is lots of unexplained scientific observances to work with here. For example what is the cause of Phantom pain? How can you feel pain in something that is not there.I'm wondering why you're trying so hard to make these ridiculous ideas sound plausible. "God miraculously brought people back from the dead with their memories." is at least honest in that it outright states magic is at work. Yours just denies reality in favor of what you would like to believe.
We perceive pain in the brain, and we have memories of pain, even in the absence of a limb.Carrol is not asking us to show that the soul is immortal. He is only asking us to show that their is a soul that COULD be immortal. This so called "ridiculous ideas" is pretty much the only ball game I can find when it comes to any scientific evidence to show that memories continue after death. My father always believed hard line science. When we die the memory in our brain is erased as if it had never been there. Yet up to 98% of the people believe in eternal life and that memory continues on after death. So when you have that many people believe something that has NO scientific support, then I think Carrol's request is a very reasonable one. Also I think it is reasonable to ask if every atom in our Body does in some way store memory. I do not think that is a ridiculous idea at all. There is lots of unexplained scientific observances to work with here. For example what is the cause of Phantom pain? How can you feel pain in something that is not there.
Carrol is not asking us to show that the soul is immortal. He is only asking us to show that their is a soul that COULD be immortal.
This so called "ridiculous ideas" is pretty much the only ball game I can find when it comes to any scientific evidence to show that memories continue after death.
My father always believed hard line science. When we die the memory in our brain is erased as if it had never been there.
Yet up to 98% of the people believe in eternal life and that memory continues on after death.
So when you have that many people believe something that has NO scientific support, then I think Carrol's request is a very reasonable one.
Also I think it is reasonable to ask if every atom in our Body does in some way store memory.
I do not think that is a ridiculous idea at all. There is lots of unexplained scientific observances to work with here.
For example what is the cause of Phantom pain? How can you feel pain in something that is not there.
I do not think that is important now. Science has been working on that for 2500 years and if they have not made any substantial progress then that is their problem, not mine. Carrol said:He wants you to show there's a soul to begin with.
What Carrol is asking for is to show that information stored in our brains to persist after we die.All that's being asked is for evidence of the existence of a soul. Period.
Not at all, we are looking at what science has to say about it.So you admit you're just looking for something that conforms to your beliefs.
There is no evidence that memory does NOT exist after death. We do know that memory can exist for up to 100,000 years.There is no evidence that memories continue after death.
He died 7 years ago, so he is not here to defend or clarify what he believes anymore. Both my brothers believe memories continue after death, so they did not go along with my dad on that belief.This is going to sound odd coming from a rebellious 17 year old but ... listen to your father. He's wiser than you.
Run a google search and check out the surveys. "According to a Gallup opinion survey, nearly all Americans, 98% of them, believe in a higher power".Source? Not that it would change anything.
Oh no, I am ready to discuss if all life has cognitive ability. Not just people.Just in our body?
I do, I just study the research and read articles by journalists that study the research.You're better off leaving those to trained scientists.
Someone recommended a book on where beliefs come from. The book has not gotten here yet.have you considered that maybe superstitious beliefs
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