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Field models of soul have been around for awhile now.
(and incidentally, that still doesn't leap into any kind of supernatural realm - and doesn't support in any way the idea that we could have any kind of mental faculty not arising from brain activity)
No, but plenty of works do. My original intent of mentioning Penrose (I can't believe I posted the wrong link) was to demonstrate that even some relatively famous atheists have some interest in a quantum explanation of awareness. There are whole books devoted to taking that concept and applying it to the concept of 'soul'.
Amazon.com: The Quantum Physics of Soul and Spirit (9781561708253): Deepak Chopra, Amit Goswami: Books
Amazon.com: Quantum Physics, Near Death Experiences, Eternal Consciousness, Religion, and the Human Soul eBook: william bray: Kindle Store
FYI, whereas soul is indeed eternal, "gehenna" was never associated with eternal torment in Judaism or early Christianity. The concept of "eternal torment" was a PAGAN (from Greek mythology) concept related to 'hades'. It has NOTHING to do with the 'hell' that Origen describes in Early Christianity, and it has NOTHING to do with the concept of Gehenna in Judaism. Both Origen and Judaism describe "hell" as a temporal place of "soul cleansing", not a place of perpetual torment. Hell is not "eternal" according to Origen, it simply serves a purpose, specifically the purpose of soul cleansing. That is entirely consistent with the concept of 'gehenna' that the Jewish Messiah described to a JEWISH audience.
The information sent over a phone line is either in electrons or photons. Both use the binary system and the noughts and ones are translated into meaningful code. The information is thus carried by electrons or photons but by themselves are useless. Now unless you can answer my question then I shall regard this debate as meaningless make believe rubbish!
thats funny you say that because there is a link to another thread on Hell topic where I post many quotes from early church on Hell (visit it if you want)
http://www.christianforums.com/t7648154-41/#post60526941
Ah, it happens.
I googled the author of that book and cannot find a single thing about him, published papers or anything to back up his claimed credentials other than his own website.
Really? I didn't check to make sure they all relate to the same individual but I had no trouble finding work by that name on Google Scholar.
Amit Goswami - Google Scholar
I doubt wireless communication uses electrons and photons.
I was referring to William Bray - the second book you listed...
(Chopra et al. are well known but there's really no science at all in there)
Electrons - no, photons - yes.
What on earth do you think electromagnetic radiation is? Radio waves can be described in terms of a stream of low energy photons...just as light can be described as a stream of higher energy photons...
If I get some time, I may do that. How come Judaism has no concept of eternal torment? Origen also described "hell", but it had nothing to do with eternal torment. His description of it does however jive with the afterlife beliefs of Judaism. Keep in mind that most of Christ's audience were Jews.
Ah, I didn't really check him out much. I was just noting that such ideas have been around for awhile and was just citing a (any) second example.
You've read that book have you?
Seriously?Please say no...
oh I see cell phones use low level photons, thats cool.
but photons are massless, unlike the electron
"photons: massless packets of energy that travel at the speed of light. In fact, EM radiation behaves as both a particle and a wave at the same time. EM waves can be characterized by any of three properties: wavelength (λ- the distance between two adjacent crests of the wave, frequency (f) - the number of wave oscillations per second, or the energy (E) of the individual photons in the wave. For all types of EM radiation, the simple relationships between wavelength, frequency, and energy are: "
How Radio Waves Are Produced
Oh dear. Since you only just discovered that radio waves are electromagnetic radiation, I'm not sure you grasp why we think photons are massless? Can you answer it without the help of google?
I have a degree in physics, just as an FYI.
I wonder how much of that teaching was around before Dante wrote his book.If I get some time, I may do that. How come Judaism has no concept of eternal torment?
(from a post-Nicene manuscript fragment)Clement of Alexandria said:All souls are immortal, even those of the wicked. Yet, it would be better for them if they were not deathless. For they are punished with the endless vengeance of quenchless fire. Since they do not die, it is impossible for them to have an end put to their misery.
Ignatius said:how much more if a man corrupt by evil reaching the faith of God. for the sake of which Jesus Christ was crucified? A man become so foul will depart into unquenchable fire: and so will anyone who listens to him. (Letter to the Ephesians 16:1-2)
Fixing their minds on the grace of Christ, [the martyrs] despised worldly tortures and purchased eternal life with but a single hour. To them, the fire of their cruel torturers was cold. They kept before their eyes their escape from the eternal and unquenchable fire (Martyrdom of Polycarp 2:3)
okay we are commiting a fallacy now
poisoning the well
Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a rhetorical device where adverse information about a target is pre-emptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person is about to say. Poisoning the well can be a special case of argumentum ad hominem, and the term was first used with this sense by John Henry Newman in his work Apologia Pro Vita Sua (1864).[1] The origin of the term lies in well poisoning, an ancient wartime practice of pouring poison into sources of fresh water before an invading army in order to diminish the invading army's strength.
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