Phrophecies of muhammad?

[Believer69]

Many muslims say their a phrophecies of muhammed and islam in the bible.
Here are a few and im interesting in hearing your christian response to them.

The L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; according to all that thou desiredst of the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not. And the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:15-19)

Moses says: "The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me" (Deut. 18:15): the only Prophet who brought a Shari’ah [Law] like that of Moses was Muhammad al Mustafa, and he came of the house of Isma’il, the brother of Isaac, the father of Israel.

If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. (John 14:15-18)
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:25-26)
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: and ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. (John 15:26-27)


Oddly enough, Muslims see these passages as predictions of the coming of Muhammad. Indeed, after quoting all three passages about the Comforter, Maulana Muhammad Ali maintains, "All these prophetic words predict in unequivocal terms the advent of another prophet after Jesus."[SIZE=-1][12][/SIZE] Muslims reason that, since the Comforter will not come unless Jesus returns to the Father, this prophecy cannot possibly be referring to the Holy Spirit, for the Holy Spirit was already present in Jesus. Thus, Jesus must have been predicting the rise of another prophet, and (for some reason) Muhammad is the only possible candidate.

Now the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee: and I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: and I will curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. (Genesis 12:1-3)
And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. (Genesis 17:20)
(Prediction of islam)




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These are some arguments i have seen for phrophecies of muhammad. I know of their rebuttals from christians. But am interested in hearing your christian view.

 

[drich0150]

Muhammad's False Prophecies

False "prophecies" makes the man a False Prophet. What else is there to say or to look at. By their fruit we shall know them.

 

[Lukaris]

The Lord Jesus Christ asserts His authority from the Father which was witnessed by St. John the Baptist

John 5:25-37

King James Version (KJV)


25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
30I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
31If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
32There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
33Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
34But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.
35He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.
36But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. 37And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.


The Lord testified that there was no greater prophet than St. John the Baptist:


Matthew 11:1-12

King James Version (KJV)

Matthew 11


1And it came to pass, when Jesus had made an end of commanding his twelve disciples, he departed thence to teach and to preach in their cities.
2Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples,
3And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?
4Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:
5The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.
6And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
7And as they departed, Jesus began to say unto the multitudes concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken with the wind?
8But what went ye out for to see? A man clothed in soft raiment? behold, they that wear soft clothing are in kings' houses.
9But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet.
10For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
11Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.


There was no future "prophet" to emerge:

1 John 4:1-3

King James Version (KJV)

1 John 4


1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

 

[SanFrank]

Many muslims say their a phrophecies of muhammed and islam in the bible.
Here are a few and im interesting in hearing your christian response to them.
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These are some arguments i have seen for phrophecies of muhammad. I know of their rebuttals from christians. But am interested in hearing your christian view.

If you've seen it before, i won't bother with it. I would turn the tables by questioning the qur'an and pointing out how it masks the Lord Christ by attributing his qualities to the character 'allah'. Most of this comes from the book of revelation.

1) The Wrath of God…….Jesus has the wrath….Allah has the wrath
2) First & Last…..Jesus is the First & the Last….Allah is the First & the Last
3) Spirit of God….Jesus is the Spirit of God in BOTH books
4) Book of Judgment….Jesus holds the Book of Judgment…Allah holds the book
5) The Hour…Jesus knows the Hour….Allah knows the hour
6) Coming with the Clouds….Jesus will be coming with the Clouds…Allah will be coming with the Clouds
7) Reward…Jesus hands out the reward in Heaven…..Allah hands out the reward in Heaven
8 ) Prostration…you are to prostrate before Jesus….you are to prostrate before Allah
9) Throne…Jesus sits enthroned in Heaven…..Allah sits enthroned in Heaven
10) New Creation…Jesus comes with the New Creation…Allah comes with the New Creation
11) Resurrection…Jesus is the Resurrection…Allah does the Resurrecting
12) Idols…Jesus abhors Idols…Allah abhors idols
13) Door…Jesus is the Door to Heaven…Allah is the Door to Heaven
14) Predestination…Jesus Predestines…Allah Predestines
15) Hypocrites…Jesus calls-out the Hypocrites…Allah calls-out the Hypocrites
16) Iron Staff…Jesus rules with an Iron Staff…Allah rules with an Iron Staff
17) King…Jesus is King of Kings…Allah is King
18 ) Holy…Jesus is Holy…Allah is Holy
19) Light…Jesus is the Light and the Lamp…Allah is the Light and the Lamp
20) Patience of God…Jesus is Patient….Allah is Patient
21) Repentance…Repent to Jesus…Repent to Allah
22) Right Hand…Jesus is the Right Hand…Allah is the Right Hand
23) Deeds…Jesus Knows your Deeds…Allah Knows your Deeds
24) Word of God…Jesus is the Word of God in BOTH Books
25) People clothed in White Robes worship God…Jesus is Worshiped…Allah is worshiped
26) Glory…Glory be to Jesus…Glory be to Allah
27) Almighty…Jesus is the Almighty…Allah is the Almighty
28 ) The people who drink the waters in Heaven….worship Jesus…worship Allah
29) 144,000 Sealed…Jesus leads them…Allah leads them
30) No sadness…Jesus takes away the sadness…Allah takes away the sadness
31) Quickly…Jesus will be coming quickly…Allah will be coming quickly
32) The Creator of Heaven, Earth, & all things in it….Jesus created all things…Allah created all things
33) No Fear…Jesus states not to have Fear…Allah states not to have Fear
34) 1,000 year reign…reign is with Jesus…reign is with Allah
35) People Hiding in Caves are hiding from…The Wrath of the Lamb…Allah
36) The Truth is sent down out of Heaven…From Jesus…From Allah
37) The Book of Revelation is Truth descended from…..Jesus….Allah
38 ) The Four Living Creatures are subservient to……Jesus….Allah

 

[GrayAngel]

Uh... No. The Holy Spirit is present in more than one place at once. He doesn't have to leave Jesus' body to become present with us. Jesus' prediction came true when the Holy Spirit appeared among the church at Pentecost. This is also the time when Jesus' prediction of God's kingdom coming in their generation (before one of them would die) came true.

Additionally, when Jesus gave Peter the "keys to the kingdom," this is what He was referring to. Peter was the leader of the first century church, but he was also there when the first Christians received the Holy Spirit, and he gave this commandment to all who observed, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call."

There are no prophecies for Muhammad. He was a false prophet, and he taught wrongly about Jesus, denying the divinity that He had claimed for Himself. I would trust Jesus' closest friends and disciples before someone who obviously didn't know what He was talking about.

Well, maybe there was one prophecy made about Muhammed... He claimed to have received his "revelation" from an angel, correct?

Galatians 1:8 - But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

 

[lesliedellow]

The identity of the person being referred to as "another prophet like unto me" can only be conjectured at, but my guess is that it was originally a reference to Joshua.


" Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you"

How can anybody realistically say that is a description of a human being? For one thing the word "spirit" is explicitly used. For another thing, the Holy Spirit might indwell a person, but no man indwells another man.

 

[Brenda Morgan]

Muhammad's False Prophecies

False "prophecies" makes the man a False Prophet. What else is there to say or to look at. By their fruit we shall know them.

Compare Muhammad's story with Paul's story.
They both had tremendous influence on world religion.
Can any Christian say why Paul is more believable than Muhammad?

 

[drich0150]

Compare Muhammad's story with Paul's story.
They both had tremendous influence on world religion.
Can any Christian say why Paul is more believable than Muhammad?

Maybe because Paul's works coincided with the Works of the OT and the teachings of Christ, and Muhammad's went counter the God of the bible.

Paul taught freedom from the works of religion as a way to obtain righteousness through the atonement that Christ provided.

Muhammad taught bondage to the teachings of Muhammad and completely discounted the work of Christ as the Son of God.

Along the way Muhammad made a great many prophecies, my link exposes all of these false prophecies, thus sealing his status as a false prophet. Paul did not have this problem.

 

[ebia]

Compare Muhammad's story with Paul's story.
They both had tremendous influence on world religion.
Can any Christian say why Paul is more believable than Muhammad?

Muhammad claimed to be no more than transmitting an eternal timeless context-free message. Yet his text looks far from timeless but thoroughly imbedded in his particular time and place.

None of that applies to Paul who is very much setting out to address particular contexts.

 

[Brenda Morgan]

Maybe because Paul's works coincided with the Works of the OT and the teachings of Christ, and Muhammad's went counter the God of the bible.

Paul taught freedom from the works of religion as a way to obtain righteousness through the atonement that Christ provided.

Muhammad taught bondage to the teachings of Muhammad and completely discounted the work of Christ as the Son of God.

Along the way Muhammad made a great many prophecies, my link exposes all of these false prophecies, thus sealing his status as a false prophet. Paul did not have this problem.

It would seem to me that Paul's teaching was contrary to the writings of the Bible before his time.
Paul did away with circumcision which was to be a sign forever.
Paul did away with the dietary laws.
Paul did away with the Feasts, the Jewish holidays.
Paul did away with the Law contrary to what Jesus said.

 

[drich0150]

It would seem to me that Paul's teaching was contrary to the writings of the Bible before his time.
Paul did away with circumcision which was to be a sign forever.
Paul did away with the dietary laws.
Paul did away with the Feasts, the Jewish holidays.
Paul did away with the Law contrary to what Jesus said.

Lets take an honest look at your list.

Paul did not do away with circumcision, Paul said it was not necessary for salvation. He did not say it was a sin for those who wanted to get circumcised.

Paul did not do away with the dietary laws, Christ did in Mark 7. Paul went though great pains to preserve the laws for those who think those laws were still a requirement.

Again Paul goes through great pains to preserve the Holy Days for those who wish to participate:Colossians 2:16–17

I need to see book chapter and verse on the last one.

 

[GrayAngel]

It would seem to me that Paul's teaching was contrary to the writings of the Bible before his time.
Paul did away with circumcision which was to be a sign forever.
Paul did away with the dietary laws.
Paul did away with the Feasts, the Jewish holidays.
Paul did away with the Law contrary to what Jesus said.

Paul's teachings were all consistent with the rest of scripture.

Paul did not do away with circumcision. He said that non-Jews didn't need it. God never cared about the outward expression of faith, but the heart of the believer, which is why Paul said that it was more important to have circumcision of the heart.

Paul didn't change dietary laws. Peter was responsible for that, and he only did so after receiving a command from God in a dream.

Paul definitely didn't do away with any Jewish traditions. In fact, Christians were long considered a Jewish sect. Paul, among others, continued to observe those Jewish traditions.

Paul didn't remove any laws. He said that the law doesn't save, which was always true. And God's new covenant allowed for more freedom, although the heart of a servant was still required.

 

[SanFrank]

Compare Muhammad's story with Paul's story.
They both had tremendous influence on world religion.
Can any Christian say why Paul is more believable than Muhammad?

In Acts, Paul is in agreement with the apostles whom later send Paul on his missionary journey to Asia minor. While in Jerusalem, Paul has a bit of a scuffle with Peter but both are in agreement as Peter himself testifies in 1 Peter. Paul was in fact an apostle, sent by the Lord, as he mentions to the Corinthians. He transmits the message of Christ and the knowledge of atonement for sin thru faith in Christ. That was central to his mission.

muhammad on the other hand did not mention atonement thru faith anywhere in the qur'an. He makes mention that feeding the poor is a way to 'atone' for sin but that is not biblical doctrine. He also mentions that freeing a slave can 'atone' for sin but that is not biblical doctrine. He is void of any apostolic understanding of atonement for sin that came by way of Christ's crucifixion.

Besides, I have no slaves to free so I'd be stuck with my sin.