Philosophy vs Christ

[Eudaimonist]

Religion is NOT Philosophy period.While you can have a philosophy of religion (some wouldnt even agree with that) religion is NOT Philosophy.

Religion is not identical with philosophy, however, the Christian religion has incorporated philosophy into its way of viewing the world. See Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas, who were both enormously influential on Christian thought.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[misfitforfaith]

Religion is not identical with philosophy, however, the Christian religion has incorporated philosophy into its way of viewing the world. See Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas, who were both enormously influential on Christian thought.

Actually I don't think all Christians and especially Catholics would agree on that.
I know they would consider them theologians. They were part of movement in the catholic church called the scholastic movement i think you'll find among Catholics this is considered theology not Philosophy.

I mean for example would you consider Calvin, Luther Philosophers because most Christians especially hardline Protestants don't they consider them theologians.
However you are an atheist as your post shows so i guess you are not even looking at this from a Christian point of view anyway! This forum never ceases to amaze me?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Actually I don't think all Christians and especially Catholics would agree on that.

Not all will agree, but some will. Especially Catholics, I would think.

I know they would consider them theologians. They were part of movement in the catholic church called the scholastic movement i think you'll find among Catholics this is considered theology not Philosophy.

Theology is greatly influenced by Philosophy, even if it is not Philosophy-as-such. Thomas Aquinas was no doubt strongly influenced by Aristotle, even though he took Aristotle's insights and modified them so they would fit his theology.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Robbie_James_Francis]

Oh sure the Romans weren't anti Christian?

To say yes or no to that question would be to vastly underestimate the complexity of early Christianity's place in the Empire.

I guess thats why they crucified Christ and made all the jews flee their homeland plus fed all those early Christians to the lions.

They supposedly crucified Jesus for fears that he might lead insubordination. They persecuted the Jews because of the rebellions of the first century.

As for Plato and Aristotle yes some ideas have made it into Christianity they are classical mystery sect pagan beliefs of cause Platonism

Neo-Platonism was a quasi-religious sect that existed at the same time as Christianity in the Roman Empire, yes. But Platonism itself was deeply and irrevocably part of Christianity from its earliest inception into the hellenic world.

The teachings of Aristotle also had a profound effect on Western Christianity through Augustine of Hippo and more significantly in the High Middle Ages.

and other derivations like Catharism and Gnosticism

The latter did try to pull Christianity further from its Judaic roots and closer to Greek thought, yes. The former was much later and concerned with the corruption of the Church.

Greek philosophy is literally inseperable from Christianity as it has existed since the Apostles. Try to explain the nature of the the Eucharist in traditional theology without reference to Aristotle's distinction of 'essence' and 'accidents'. Or who/what Jesus is without resorting to Plato's concept of the logos.

 

[misfitforfaith]

The latter did try to pull Christianity further from its Judaic roots and closer to Greek thought, yes. The former was much later and concerned with the corruption of the Church.

That corruption your talking about is just as bad via Neoplatonism.

Greek philosophy is literally inseperable from Christianity as it has existed since the Apostles. Try to explain the nature of the the Eucharist in traditional theology without reference to Aristotle's distinction of 'essence' and 'accidents'. Or who/what Jesus is without resorting to Plato's concept of the logos.

I dont agree with any of this!. Neo platonism is not Christianity the concept of Logos is no more christian than than Rex mundi or Eygptain Gods like Ra or Isis, no jesus christ is not the ancient Sun God of other ancient religions Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ.
I know your type your a new age type that tries to justify every new age belief apostasy within the confines of Christianity I dont buy your reasoning nor agree with it, as know exactly what your talking about however i know better. And by the way, Humanism is not Christian either its a Masonic concept!.

 

[NavyGuy7]

PD Due to Report.

 

[ReverendDG]

That corruption your talking about is just as bad via Neoplatonism.


I dont agree with any of this!. Neo platonism is not Christianity the concept of Logos is no more christian than than Rex mundi or Eygptain Gods like Ra or Isis, no jesus christ is not the ancient Sun God of other ancient religions Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ.
I know your type your a new age type that tries to justify every new age belief apostasy within the confines of Christianity I dont buy your reasoning nor agree with it, as know exactly what your talking about however i know better. And by the way, Humanism is not Christian either its a Masonic concept!.

what does all that nonsense have to do with anything? are we talking about philosophy and christianity or your conspiracy theories?
the fact is LOGOS is part of christian theology , the greeks thought up this idea. the fact is the bible has the concept in it, so unless you do not accept the bible for some odd reason, yet be a christian then you are fooling yourself.
if you ask any theologists about the concept of the logos, they will have to talk about the greeks as some point

 

[misfitforfaith]

what does all that nonsense have to do with anything? are we talking about philosophy and christianity or your conspiracy theories?

Well infact this whole section of the forum is proverbial NONSENSE UTTER CRAPOLA i mean fancy a Christian forum where none of the posters are even christian whos the fool its YOU and the rest of your sad sacks.

I am not going to respond to the rest of your crap.However tell me what are you Reverend of i presume you must be Laveyan or crawleyian one if any you and your mates here are definition of LIES AND DECEPTION!.

 

[quatona]

I don´t seem to understand how you can get so riled up over a mere semantics question.