Philosophical / Logical problems with YEC, OEC and Theistic Evolution

[NobleMouse]

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Be cautioned that there are some well-meaning scientists here (I question whether well-meaning or not but feel compelled to give the benefit of the doubt), who are dangerous to interact with as the intent of their posts seems bent on dissuading Christians who would otherwise believe in the word of God, to instead fall away into believing these unscriptural views on where you and I came from and the events mentioned in the Bible, namely creation and the flood mentioned in Genesis. To these scientists, they view their wisdom as greater than what God's word has to say.

These few scientists here that reject God's word do so on the basis of naturalistic assumptions and feel their ideas of history are of more authority than the word of God; and so, have turned this forum into a platform by which they can profess and impose their unsupported views (unsupported both scripturally as well as scientifically) of history rather than trusting in God's word.

Don't take my word for it, read what the Bible says and believe that the God who made you and sent Jesus to die for you is not out to "trick" or deceive you in anyway - God is God and the Bible is His word, and His word is true. Do not waver in your faith just because some here have abandoned theirs.
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[The Barbarian]

You aren't God, nor do you speak for God. It's one thing to believe in a modern interpretation of Genesis as you do. It's quite another to claim that Christians who don't accept your new doctrines don't accept the word of God.

Let God do it His way, and you won't be troubled any longer.

 

[Roidecoeur78]

So, for those who visit TAW, I've engaged with a lengthy discussion about the problems that I see with YEC, OEC, and Theistic Evolution from multiple different perspectives.

Creationism Vs. Darwinism?

I think I had a thought or two God gave me about this, and they go something like this:

That a day to the eternal One is not a 24 hour earth day. It's as long as He decides it is, because a million years is no time at all to Someone that exists outside of time. "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."-2Peter3:8
And 1000 is likely used because it's a number that was near the upper limit of human understanding at the time of the epistle being written.

That evolution is the process of creation, and so creation is done through the process of elemental and consequent biological evolution.

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That the sequence of creation, as illustrated in Genesis, has more or less been verified by the scientific theory of evolution. (i.e. first a void with only a single Being, then space and elements, then environments of varying natures[wet, dry, hot,cold] then simple lives like bacteria and plants filling those places, then more complex lives created by compiling the preexisting simpler systems [grasses, to flowering plants, flowering plants to shrubs, shrubs to trees, etc], by this way every niche gets filled, the seas fill up with creatures that will become fish, fish become every type of fish according to the niche they're filling, some fish will lead to lungfish and mudskipper-types, that lead to amphibians, amphibians lead to reptiles, reptiles lead to both birds and small mammals, reptiles get as big as they will until God sends their walking papers(big boom). The small and or airborne reptiles and mammals survive because they are more mobile, and require less sustenance to carry on their mojos. As the ecological state re-stabilizes they become every type of mammal, reptile, and bird, according to the ecological niche they're filling. Eventually a mammalian body currently called a homo sapiens is created, thus agreeing with Genesis that mankind was the last created being of note on record and so also, according to the evolutionists, the most recent newcomer on the scene.

So there is an obvious direction, which would imply intent; from inanimate elements to animate ones, simple systems to complex ones compiled of the simple ones, from the Singular come the many and diverse, through the rough edged imperfections of nature and its impulses comes the perfection of Jesus Christ's example of what the Father, in Whom all these things live and breathe and have their existence, expects from His children. Not the world's children, for a homo sapiens is only a collection of biological functions, but His children, meaning those whom He wills to awaken to human-being-hood (more than just the instinctual monkey-suit they are wearing). And it was all, is all, and will always be deliberate. And none of it has ever or will ever happen by chance. And never did a leaf or will a leaf fall from a tree, or the number of hairs on anyone's head be unknown to He in whom, by whom, through whom all these wonders come into, endure for a time, and then leave, existence. What it is, it was, and ever shall be.

Just because a homo sapiens named Charles Darwin was created, and was given the faculties and the revelation that would come to elucidate the process of creation, doesn't mean God could or would ever stop existing. It means that those predestined to only see the material, superficial workings of creation will barely be able to comprehend and prove those, so the odds of their coming to understand, know, or believe on He that is working invisibly behind the surface are slim and none.

Praise, Glory, and blessedness be to God in the highest, for He is all, does all, and wills all.

 

[The Barbarian]

That evolution is the process of creation, and so creation is done through the process of elemental and consequent biological evolution.

Well said.

 

[Roidecoeur78]

Well said.

You're too kind, you barbarian you. May the Lord's peace be upon you.

 

[The Barbarian]

I can always use prayers. Thanks, and may God bless and keep you as well.