Philippines bombed!

[Gryphon]

I cannot profess deep understanding or knowledge of Islam. However, am I not mistaken when the Quo'ran (sp?) actually teaches jihad against non-Muslims? If so, then they are professing their faith by killing innocents (but as they view them, they are not innocent).

Christians doing that is just wrong.

I think that's why the assumption is that Muslims did it. They have the backing of their religion, whereas Christians do not. However, you are correct to be upset to some extent that everyone just flat out assumes it's Muslims. However, it does make more sense for it to be that way.

 

[Lacmeh]

Well I still see Christians celebrating the mass murderings of Jews by Hitler. Some 50 Years ago, Europe was swept by a wave of hatred, that is still celebrated today. Don´t fool yourself, that hte First world is immune to that.
I ´can only speak for myself, but would I live as a Palestinian in Gaza or West Jordan, I would see Israelis willfully shooting children, women, shooting anti tank rockets into crowded streets, denying emergency medical care to Palestinians, destroying international Red Cross installations (which are marked btw as such) and always hearing, how USA backs those things up. (And don´t tell me it´s not true, US blocked till today every anti Israel resolution in the UN Security council). Perhaps even losing someone related to me through those actions. Perhaps then I would be glad, too, that those people far away, which just turn a blind eye to my struggle are hit.
It is quite easy for us in the First world generally dismiss Muslims and Palestinians as terrorist sympathisants, we don´t have to live in an area, in which on every day on the street you, your wife or your children could be shot, hit by a rocket or some dropped bomb, your house destroyed, because the occupants want to build some of their own houses there and move their people on the land.
The easy way out is denouncing them generally as terrorists and hit them more often on the head as it has already been done. This will be popular and solve nothing.
Frankly, the Middle East is a result of the mess, Geat Britain left and the USA for unquestionally backing of Israel. It is quite ironic, that exactly those two nations aren´t interested in the slightest to solve the problem.

 

[eldermike]

I am 53, a Christian all my life, I have never seen a celebration by Christians for any mass killings, any killings, or anything that would be considered such.

 

[Auntie]

Originally posted by Lacmeh
Well I still see Christians celebrating the mass murderings of Jews by Hitler.

That is a lie from hell. Christians love Jews, and some died trying to save them from the insanity of Hitler. Why do you think the USA chooses to support Israel now? It is because the Christians of this great country love the Jewish people. You can't accuse us of hating Jews and loving and supporting Israel in the same post.

Perhaps then I would be glad, too, that those people far away, which just turn a blind eye to my struggle are hit.

People of God can never be glad when others are murdered. Those who celebrate the 911 attack on innocent people are not of God, but evil.

 

[itinerant]

Originally posted by strathyboy
So it's only Muslims that are causing terrorism? Are we now declaring war only on terrorists of a certain religious creed?

This is a very good argument against militant Islam...

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/58384.htm

 

[Wolseley]

Well I still see Christians celebrating the mass murderings of Jews by Hitler. Some 50 Years ago, Europe was swept by a wave of hatred, that is still celebrated today.

Who does this celebrating? Where? When?

Give me a link, a newspaper article, a magazine article, an encyclopedia reference, something to back up your claim. If this is happening and you have seen it, then obviously it must be documented somewhere, correct?

Please provide me with some form of corroboration for your claim; otherwise, it is merely unsubstantiated hearsay. Standard bibliographic reference will be fine.

I'll wait.

 

[Lacmeh]

Wolseley, I can provide you a link, but I sincerely doubt, that you can read German. Basically it is Neonazis, Skinheads and Ex SS people, marching and celebrating. Which is of course strongly opposed by anti Fascist groups and police has a lot of work to do. Those people on both sides are for the most part Catholics, which is no surprise, since the by far largest denomination in Germany and Austria are Catholics. On some days, driving or walking near the Nazi and Anti Nazi demonstration can get quite lively...

 

[strathyboy]

Originally posted by Wolseley
Well, let's see......

In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred
by:
(a) Olga Corbutt
(b) Sitting Bull
(c) Arnold Schwartzeneger
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by:
(a) Lost Norwegians
(b) Elvis Presley
(c) A tour bus full of 80-year-old women
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

During the 1980's a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by:
(a) John Dillinger
(b) The King of Sweden
(c) The Boy Scouts
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by:
(a) A pizza delivery boy
(b) Pee Wee Herman
(c) Geraldo Rivera
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70 year old
American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by:
(a) Papa Smurf
(b) Davy Jones
(c) The Little Mermaid
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was
murdered by:
(a) Captain Kidd
(b) Charles Lindberg
(c) Mother Teresa
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by:
(a) Scooby Doo
(b) The Tooth Fairy
(c) Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1993 the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by:
(a) Richard Simmons
(b) Grandma Moses
(c) Michael Jordan
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
(a) Mr. Rogers
(b) Hillary Clinton
(c) The World Wrestling Federation
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of
people were killed by:
(a) Bugs Bunny, Wiley E. Coyote, Daffy Duck, and Elmer Fudd
(b) The Supreme Court of Florida
(c) Mr. Bean
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Earlier this year, the United States fought a war in Afghanistan against:
(a) Enron
(b) The Lutheran Church
(c) The NFL
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Also earlier this year, reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered by:
(a) Bonnie and Clyde
(b) Captain Kangaroo
(c) Billy Graham
(d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

And just within the last few days, US Marines on a training exercise in Kuwait were attacked and one Marine was killed, by:
a) Ozzie and Harriet
b) Bob the Builder
c) Spongebob Squarepants
d) Muslim male extremists mostly between the ages of 17 and 40

Hmmm . . . nope, no patterns here at all that I can see.

Yep, the list is funny, but that's about it. It doesn't take into account politics, economics, or social differences between the first world and the third world, and breaks everything down into a matter of religion.
If I, as a Christian, go on a shooting rampage because I lost my job, this would in no way be indicative of Christianity. And yet, when a Muslim goes on a shooting rampage, it MUST be because of his religion. There could be no other reason for a Muslim doing anything, right?

 

[Wolseley]

Wolseley, I can provide you a link, but I sincerely doubt, that you can read German.

Ich Deutsche lesen, Lacmeh. And machts nichts in any event, because if these Christians were actually following the tenants of their faith, then they wouldn't be Nazis. The same thing for Muslims; if they were actually following the tenants of their faith, they wouldn't be terrorists.

And yet, when a Muslim goes on a shooting rampage, it MUST be because of his religion. There could be no other reason for a Muslim doing anything, right?

Did I say that terrorists committed acts of terrorism because of their Muslim religion? No. I said that the terrorists who committed the acts of terrorism all happened to be Muslims.

By and large, the terrorists who commit acts of terrorism do so for two reasons: they hate Israel and they hate anyone who supports Israel (which means the United States); and they have an extremely warped, extremely fundamentalist interpretation of Islam which they see as meaning to go forth and kill everyone who is not of the same persuasion as themselves. They don't even like like other Muslims who don't share their views.

 

[Lacmeh]

Wolseley, I will provide links, it just takes time, weil die online Archive der deutschen und österreichischen Zeitungen schlecht zu durchsuchen sind und ich derzeit in der Arbeit sitze. Bitte um etwas Geduld

In the meantime we can discuss the bombing in Ireland. They still are think of themselves as Christians and no one there woudl suggest it is a purely religious thing going on. Or the bombings in Spain and France. Muslims do use religion as excuse for politics, just like Christians. But only very few peopel would acknowledge that. If Muslims bomb it is pure religion, if Christians bomb it´s only politics

 

[Wolseley]

Wolseley, I will provide links, it just takes time

Danke schoen.

In the meantime we can discuss the bombing in Ireland. They still are think of themselves as Christians and no one there woudl suggest it is a purely religious thing going on.

Religion is only a by-product in the situation in Ulster. It can better be described as an ethnic war between the native Irish and the Scots who were imported by Oliver Cromwell of unhappy memory some 400-odd years ago. The Irish just happen to be Catholic, and the Scots Presbyterian.

If Muslims bomb it is pure religion, if Christians bomb it´s only politics

Not necessarily. Both can bomb out of political motives, and both can bomb from misguided interpretations of what their religion is asking of them. I would say that Christians tend to bomb more for political reasons and Muslims for misguided religious reasons, however.