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Pew report shows American Christian numbers in decline

Red Fox

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In fact, there are very few Christians who try to impose their beliefs on others,

I would like to comment on this assertion, but it's off topic and the OP has already asked more than once to get her thread back on topic.
 
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Umm.... are you trying to pen a new oxymoron in Christian Agnostic?
Actually I thought I was the clever one who invented the term. However when I googled it, it seems my dream of getting rich off of copyright infringement went up in smoke.

Agnostic to me means someone who believes in the idea of a God, they're just not sure whether that God exists, nor are they sure what they believe about such a Being. Basically they are the lukewarm who sit between belief and non belief.
Nondenominational by its very name means a belief system or a religion that does not hold to any specific doctrine, theology or dogma; except for the unknowable mystery doctrines like The Trinity, or circular logic theories like the Faith Alone paradox.
Like I always say, "A belief in God is a great thing, however doctrine will always get in the way of that belief".(copyrighted:))
This allows for people to go to these Churches and still call themselves Christian even though they only make the effort go for only one hour a week, or just twice a year. It also allows people to call themselves Christian and believe whatever they want without being challenged on what they believe.
The teachers/owners of these mega Churches don't mind either, because most of them are in it for quantity not the quality. They would rather settle for the 1% tithe from 30 people, instead of the 10% tithe from the one.
A log time ago I noted to someone that these religions were in the minority, but will one day become the majority church. Because people by their nature are both physically and spiritually lazy.
 
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Nondenominational by its very name means a belief system or a religion that does not hold to any specific doctrine, theology or dogma

Ironically though, most nondenominational churches I've encountered are very similar in theology.
 
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Wow. I've never seen anyone paint with a broader brush than that. It's so funny that there is one miniscule church that believes all that crap that you said, and so it get's transferred to all Christians (except the liberal and moderate ones, of course). I'm sorry, it is a pathetic argument.

awitch is right though -- that's what the big noisemakers say in the name of Christ, and people mistakenly think that is what Christianity is all over or that it's representative, and they conclude they are just not even interested in looking at it.

My 20-something kids' friends are very representative of this phenomenon. They are the odd ones out in that they are actually religious, but because we are not Christian, no one minds. One of their crew is Jewish, and one is Christian and in seminary now. But the rest are not particularly interested, or even antithetical. The friend in seminary is obviously a kindly soul, so no one would give him flak over his faith, even if they don't believe it. He means to be a positive force in the world, and that's enough.

I spend a fair bit of time punching holes in the idea that what the noisemakers say is representative of Christians. I have plenty enough contact with Christians for too many years to know the noisiest are not speaking for everyone.

The thing is, if someone doesn't grow up with any knowledge of Christianity, it's easy to see how they might mistakenly think Jesus was obsessed with gays and Amurica and had nothing useful to say about love or caring for those in need or promoting a just society. They don't have the knowledge of what's in the Gospels to know better.
 
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I think a discussion about abortion is beyond the scope of this thread.

I agree.

But it's not really just about having beliefs about something; it's about imposing those beliefs on other people and that's where the animosity and alienation come from.
Yes, there is exactly one (1) religion trying to impose itself on our secular in the US, in violation of the Constitution, and we all know which one it is.

No, many people here do not appreciate theocracy. It's why our Constitution tries to prevent it. But it ain't coming from Muslims, it's coming from Christians, and yes, some people are disgusted by that. (even many Christians). And some of those people mistakenly think it's something they should fear from all Christians (it isn't).

But you know, while we're on the subject of why someone might be turned away from looking too far into Christianity and opt out for being a "None", do some of you go ahead and continue to blitz this subforum telling everyone about how evil the LDS are and maligning them.

I'm sure we'll all be terribly impressed and inspired by those of you busy doing that and just want to join up so we can join the harassment campaign.

Can you wonder why so many of us left already?
 
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I would like to comment on this assertion, but it's off topic and the OP has already asked more than once to get her thread back on topic.

At this point it's so far gone honestly I would rather read your comment than try to keep this on topic.
 
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It might be beyond the scope of this discussion, but I agree, it most certainly is about imposing beliefs on other people. And it is not only done by Christians. In fact, there are very few Christians who try to impose their beliefs on others, but the far-leaning left do their darnedest to impose their beliefs on everyone.

Not only have Christians tried to impose their beliefs on me, in law, at work, and in my private life.

They are trying to remove my sick daughter's MEDICINE and return her to a state where she cannot function at all, because of their unscientific, antiquated ideas about what hormone treatment does and is good for.

They have inserted their proselytizing into "mandatory" staff meetings at a secular company, proclaimed "prayer meetings" and then literally slammed the door in the face of any but Their Own Kind.

They have colluded and LIED in order to remove me and others Not Of Their Kind from their jobs, when I was 8 months pregnant no less.

How Very Christian Of Them to try to push my family into homelessness and poverty.

Well honey you asked for it, you got it, Toyota.

THIS is why the best thing I can say about Baptists in the South is to remain silent.

Too bad you don't live on the same planet the rest of us live on.

And maybe it is in the scope of discussion, because it explains a LOT about why so many people are leaving and the rate of that is on the rise.

Too many people do not have the honor of knowing the decent Christians still out there. All they see is this ungodly behaviour and the hate speech, and they go No Thanks!

What have the "far-leaning left" imposed on me? Nothing.
 
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It drives a lot of us mainline Christians nuts too.

-CryptoLutheran

I didn't realize that Lutherans believed that a saved person could willfully stop being saved.
 
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I can't say I'm too surprised, given "Nones" have been on the rise. It would be normal enough for those Nones to have been part of Christianity, given that's the largest religious group in the country.

Still, a bit of interesting research, as always:

US Christians numbers 'decline sharply', poll finds - BBC News

Previous Pew studies have shown that many of the "nones" are Christian, just not identifying with any formal branch of Christianity. Many of the "nones" say that they attend church.
 
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