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So, were Luther and Pope Paul correct? Will our pets be with us in Heaven?
Gordon Clark (taught philosophy at Butler University in Indianapolis) said: In one way this is reminiscent of Genesis 2:7. As God breathed into Adam’s nostrils the breath or spirit of life, so too God sent forth his spirit into the animals.Martin Luther, referring to his dog Tolpel, once said the following about dogs and other animals being in Heaven:
"Certainly there will be, for Peter calls that day the time of the restitution of all things. Then, as clearly said elsewhere, he will create new Tolpels with skin of gold and hair of pearls. There and then God will be all in all. No animal will eat any other. Snakes and toads and other beasts which are poisonous on account of original sin will then be not only innocuous but even pleasing and nice to play with. Why is it that we cannot believe all things will happen as the Bible says, even in this article of resurrection? Original sin is at fault."
More recently Pope Paul VI said, “One day we will see our pets in the eternity of Christ.”
I know that this is a matter of dispute, that some Christians do not believe that pets will be in Heaven. I certainly believe that my beloved kitties will be waiting for me at Rainbow Bridge.
So, were Luther and Pope Paul correct? Will our pets be with us in Heaven?
I originally posted this in the Lutheran Forum, but wanted to get more input, plus I thought it would be nice to discuss something that wasn't election related.
Martin Luther, referring to his dog Tolpel, once said the following about dogs and other animals being in Heaven:
"Certainly there will be, for Peter calls that day the time of the restitution of all things. Then, as clearly said elsewhere, he will create new Tolpels with skin of gold and hair of pearls. There and then God will be all in all. No animal will eat any other. Snakes and toads and other beasts which are poisonous on account of original sin will then be not only innocuous but even pleasing and nice to play with. Why is it that we cannot believe all things will happen as the Bible says, even in this article of resurrection? Original sin is at fault."
More recently Pope Paul VI said, “One day we will see our pets in the eternity of Christ.”
I know that this is a matter of dispute, that some Christians do not believe that pets will be in Heaven. I certainly believe that my beloved kitties will be waiting for me at Rainbow Bridge.
So, were Luther and Pope Paul correct? Will our pets be with us in Heaven?
I originally posted this in the Lutheran Forum, but wanted to get more input, plus I thought it would be nice to discuss something that wasn't election related.
I agree. When I look into my kitties eyes I can see a soul looking back at me.Gordon Clark (taught philosophy at Butler University in Indianapolis) said: In one way this is reminiscent of Genesis 2:7. As God breathed into Adam’s nostrils the breath or spirit of life, so too God sent forth his spirit into the animals.
Some people are afraid to say that animals have souls. They not only have souls, they are souls. Some people are afraid to say that animals have spirit. But Genesis 6:17 and 7:15, and Psalm 104:29, as well as Ecclesiastes 3:21 ascribe spirit to animals. Animals are souls. They are not just clay.
I have many neighborhood squirrels. And each has a different personality. Some more so than others.I agree. When I look into my kitties eyes I can see a soul looking back at me.
I once raised a grey squirrel. He had fallen out of his nest. His eyes weren’t even open when I took him home. I fed him kitten replacement formula from an eye dropper. He was a great guy and after I let him go he regularly came back to my porch for nuts and other treats.I have many neighborhood squirrels. And each has a different personality. Some more so than others.
Around the throne, and on each side of the throne, are four living creatures, full of eyes in front and behind: the first living creature like a lion, the second living creature like an ox, the third living creature with a face like a human face, and the fourth living creature like a flying eagle. And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and inside. Day and night without ceasing they sing,
‘Holy, holy, holy, the Lord God the Almighty, who was and is and is to come.’
If there are animals in heaven then there should be no reason why our pets can't be there as well.I'm not sure if our pets will be with us in heaven, but there should be plenty of animals and plants to keep us interested and have fun with. I think it would be what Adam and Eve had in the beginning, but end up much better.
Another way of saying this is what would my pet cat/s do for eternity, what mental processes would they have or physical needs. Would they have appetites and what would they eat, what would motivate them?.Well the biggest problem with a pet being in heaven is they have to be a pet forever. Would you want to be a cat forever? I don't think anyone would.
The important bit here is that an animal still exists after its died, its soul is somewhere.Gordon Clark (taught philosophy at Butler University in Indianapolis) said: In one way this is reminiscent of Genesis 2:7. As God breathed into Adam’s nostrils the breath or spirit of life, so too God sent forth his spirit into the animals.
Some people are afraid to say that animals have souls. They not only have souls, they are souls. Some people are afraid to say that animals have spirit. But Genesis 6:17 and 7:15, and Psalm 104:29, as well as Ecclesiastes 3:21 ascribe spirit to animals. Animals are souls. They are not just clay.
What about if i have a favorite plant? Will it be in Heaven??I'm not sure if our pets will be with us in heaven, but there should be plenty of animals and plants to keep us interested and have fun with. I think it would be what Adam and Eve had in the beginning, but end up much better.
My big guy will go walking with me outdoors but only on a leash. My little girl does not like leaving the house. I have seen them catch and eat bugs but nothing more than that.Another way of saying this is what would my pet cat/s do for eternity, what mental processes would they have or physical needs. Would they have appetites and what would they eat, what would motivate them?.
I might be able to envision (just) my pet cat catching a grasshopper and eating it in heaven but not really a bird. I can't see heavenly cats killing heavenly birds.
I have 2 cats, the younger one (6yrs) loves going out on a warm night and catching grasshoppers, and small insects, etc, birds and mice too if she can. The older one (12yrs) has been there & done that & doesn't bother with insects, though will still catch the other stuff if he can (he's great with rats).
If the younger one ends up losing interest in insects as i suspect she will then don't know what they'd do in heaven. The things that amuse her, used to amuse him but don't now.
I can imagine them running around & exploring the fields & pastures of heaven, ie new Earth, interacting with all sorts of other animals etc, they'd be in no danger, the could go on months\years long adventures and explorations, I'd always now where they were & be able to go to them quickly, if not with the click of my fingers.
They would sleep for hours (but would they??) and explore but yeah, after a couple of thousand years, would they still be okay mentally and have that curiosity etc.
Its hard for us to imagine what we would do after a few hundred years of living in heaven, even harder to think what pets would do.
There isn't a shread of Biblical evidence for the view espoused by Luther or Bishop of Rome Paul VI. Their views are nothing short of superstition.Martin Luther, referring to his dog Tolpel, once said the following about dogs and other animals being in Heaven:
"Certainly there will be, for Peter calls that day the time of the restitution of all things. Then, as clearly said elsewhere, he will create new Tolpels with skin of gold and hair of pearls. There and then God will be all in all. No animal will eat any other. Snakes and toads and other beasts which are poisonous on account of original sin will then be not only innocuous but even pleasing and nice to play with. Why is it that we cannot believe all things will happen as the Bible says, even in this article of resurrection? Original sin is at fault."
More recently Pope Paul VI said, “One day we will see our pets in the eternity of Christ.”
I know that this is a matter of dispute, that some Christians do not believe that pets will be in Heaven. I certainly believe that my beloved kitties will be waiting for me at Rainbow Bridge.
So, were Luther and Pope Paul correct? Will our pets be with us in Heaven?
I originally posted this in the Lutheran Forum, but wanted to get more input, plus I thought it would be nice to discuss something that wasn't election related.
There isn't a shread of Biblical evidence for the view espoused by Luther or Bishop of Rome Paul VI. Their views are nothing short of superstition.
Yes, shred. Spelling is for my secretary.Not a shread? Really?
I presume you meant to say "shred."
There isn't much, but there is Psalm 36. This is from the RSV: "Thy righteousness is like the mountains of God, thy judgments are like the great deep; man and beast thou savest, O LORD."
You are, of course, free to have your own interpretation of scripture. However, please don't say that those of us who believe otherwise are relying on nothing but superstition.
Yes, shred. Spelling is for my secretary.
The King James Version does not say that God saves man and beast. Rather it says "Thy righteousness is like the great mountains; thy judgments are a great deep: O LORD, thou preservest man and beast." The psalm does not imply salvation for animals, rather it speaks to God's righteousness and his lovingkindness for his elect.
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