Peter's Vision

[HARK!]

Please note that this sermon of Peter, as most in the Acts, includes mention of The Judgment as an essential element of the Gospel. The Gospel of the Kingdom centered around the resurrection and the judgment, not "go straight to heaven if you die in the next 2 minutes".
Psalm 97:2. CLV. Cloud and murkiness are around Him; Righteousness and right judgment are the basis of His throne.

I'm not sure how this pertains to the meaning of the vision.

 

[HARK!]

Where's it say that gentile Christians can't eat pork and oysters?

(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

(CLV) Num 15:16
One law and one custom, it shall come to be for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you.

(CLV) Ex 12:49
One law shall there be for both the native and for the sojourner sojourning in your midst.


(CLV) Lv 24:22
The same judgment shall you come to have; for the sojourner as well as the native shall it be: for I, Yahweh, am your Elohim.

(CLV) Num 15:29
For the native among the sons of Israel and for the sojourner sojourning in their midst, one law shall apply for you, to anyone doing it through inadvertence.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Ezekiel speaks of the kingdom to come:

(CLV) Ezk 44:24
In a controversy it is they who shall officiate in judgment; in accord with My ordinances, thus they will judge it; My laws and My statutes shall they observe at all My appointed times, and My sabbaths shall they hallow.

Those appointed times will be fulfilled in the spirit, just as it has already begun to be so.

1 Corinthians 5:7-8

 

[HARK!]

But how far back do we need to go? We can’t go back before the flood, when we ate only vegetables - 2 Peter 3:3-7 - but if the lion lies down with the lamb, will we eat meat at all?

Pleased to meet you Lily.

That is a very astute question. WELCOME to CF!

That's a question that has been puzzling me for quite some time.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Remember that many Egyptians left Egypt with Moses; and they entered covenant at Sinai. When they did that they became part of Israel.

Caleb>Kenezite, marries Ephrathah a Jewish woman, inherits land in the region of Hebron. Ancestors of David, with the blood of Moab by Ruth, becomes The House of God by perpetual covenant, 'the sure mercies of David'. The Ephrathites were 'near of kin' to them.
Rabbi Milgrom in an excursus for his commentary on Numbers points out the Rabbinic interpretation that Caleb was 'grafted in' to the tribe of Judah, the same term Paul uses to describe gentiles of the faith.

 

[a-lily-of-peace]

Nice to meet you too!

This should be a good time to rest from the conversation but I appreciate having had it.

Shalom!

 

[HARK!]

Nice to meet you too!

This should be a good time to rest from the conversation but I appreciate having had it.

Shalom!

Shalom!

 

[HARK!]

Those appointed times will be fulfilled in the spirit, just as it has already begun to be so.

1 Corinthians 5:7-8

Paul was telling the Corinthians to physically keep YHWH's Moed (feast)

(CLV) 1Co 5:8
so that we may be keeping the festival, not with old leaven, nor yet with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened sincerity and truth.

 

[Minister Monardo]

I'm not sure how this pertains to the meaning of the vision.

Sorry, just a side comment. But an important one! Peter gives a lengthy sermon here, and while clean and unclean animals is a context, inclusion of gentiles is the purpose. He has been called to this house, and I think this at least part of your point, not to eat a gentile meal, but to preach the gospel to the gentiles. That included The Judgment. A subject most often neglected in the modern evangelical presentation.

 

[HARK!]

preach the gospel to the gentiles. That included The Judgment. A subject most often neglected in the modern evangelical presentation.

That's a good point. Most of the message that I hear from most churches is all about the love. Well we should be vigilant in remembering that loving YHWH is keeping his commandments. When we fail; there are consequences.

 

[renniks]

(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.

(CLV) Num 15:16
One law and one custom, it shall come to be for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you.

(CLV) Ex 12:49
One law shall there be for both the native and for the sojourner sojourning in your midst.


(CLV) Lv 24:22
The same judgment shall you come to have; for the sojourner as well as the native shall it be: for I, Yahweh, am your Elohim.

(CLV) Num 15:29
For the native among the sons of Israel and for the sojourner sojourning in their midst, one law shall apply for you, to anyone doing it through inadvertence.

"For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit."

You are quoting old covenant rules which do not apply to gentiles.

" I, Paul, tell you this: If you are counting on circumcision to make you right with God, then Christ will be of no benefit to you."

"And it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.”

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole."

 

[Minister Monardo]

For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit."

You are quoting old covenant rules which do not apply to gentiles.

No mention of gentiles here. Just those who walk, or abide in the Spirit, enabling them to fulfill the requirements of the Law, to the Jew first, and also the Gentile.

 

[HARK!]

No mention of gentiles here. Just those who walk, or abide in the Spirit, enabling them to fulfill the requirements of the Law, to the Jew first, and also the Gentile.

Good point.

 

[Minister Monardo]

That's a good point. Most of the message that I hear from most churches is all about the love. Well we should be vigilant in remembering that loving YHWH is keeping his commandments. When we fail; there are consequences.

This came out in the 'Third Day' thread that Lulav created. Discussed in more detail with icxn.

 

[BobRyan]

Please note that this sermon of Peter, as most in the Acts, includes mention of The Judgment as an essential element of the Gospel. The Gospel of the Kingdom centered around the resurrection and the judgment, not "go straight to heaven if you die in the next 2 minutes".
Psalm 97:2. CLV. Cloud and murkiness are around Him; Righteousness and right judgment are the basis of His throne.

Good point except I am not sure about the "murkiness"??

 

[renniks]

No mention of gentiles here. Just those who walk, or abide in the Spirit, enabling them to fulfill the requirements of the Law, to the Jew first, and also the Gentile.

And the requirements are not the Torah laws.

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

 

[BobRyan]

25 Now as Peter came to enter, Cornelius, meeting with him, falling at his feet, worships." 26 Yet Peter raises him, saying, "Rise! I myself also am a man." 27 And, conversing with him, he entered, and is finding many come together." 28 Besides, he averred to them, "You are versed in the fact how illicit it is for a man who is a Jew to join or come to another tribe, and God shows me not to say that any man is contaminating or unclean."

This is a great thread!

1. I like the fact that Peter explains the vision without anything about "God has shown me that I need to start eating rat sandwiches"

2. That vs 28 -- NASB -- 28 And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; and yet God has shown me that I should not call any man unholy or unclean.

No text in NT or OT says it is "unlawful" for a Jew to visit with a gentile. Peter refers to "traditions of the Jews" as if both Jews and gentiles know to refer to them as "LAW" for Jews. When in fact they are little more than full-condemned-by-Christ man-made tradition as Christ points out in Mark 7:6-13

 

[Minister Monardo]

Paul was telling the Corinthians to physically keep YHWH's Moed (feast)

Many miss this point completely!
1 Corinthians 11:23. *For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
Paul, not a disciple, not in attendance at the 'last supper' establishing churches. When the church at Jerusalem sent witnesses out, what did they find? Brethren breaking the bread of fellowship! He then makes it clear that neglecting this 'ritual?!?' is to bring damnation and early demise upon yourself. Yet, 1 Co 11 is most frequently read at 'communion services' that many churches hold monthly!?!??
*True ministry and leadership by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Minister Monardo]

Good point except I am not sure about the "murkiness"??

LOL, should have used the King James! darkness, murky sounds a bit damp, swampy.

 

[Minister Monardo]

And the requirements are not the Torah laws.

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Not promoting circumcision here, just obedience to the Holy Spirit by a conscience without offense toward God and man. When I read Leviticus, I did not think, 'I should start doing this'. I thought, look how exact, how precise God's standards are! Grace can never be used as an excuse for sloppy witness.