Peter Is Not The Rock!

[Zoness]

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But Anglian, if someone apologizes on the one hand, but then says that I am a heretic and do not have assurance of salvation outside of his tradition, (and the two most recent popes have said, publicly, that Protestants are heretics!) and must submit to HIM, just as he has always said for a millennium and a half, then what kind of apology is that? I am reminded of the sad experience of the indigenous peoples in this country, with the European settlers, summarized in these words: "White man speak with forked tongue."

If the RCC will take the following actions, it would go a long way toward giving credibility:

1. Renounce the claim to be the only true Church, and that Protestants and others are 'heretics.'

2. Renounce the claim that there is no assurance of salvation outside the RCC.

3. Renounce the demand that everyone must submit to the Roman pontiff. Instead, let the 'Roman pontiff' DECLINE supremacy, and take the lowest place, taking the role of a servant.

4. Renounce any effort to influence 'the civil authorities' (JPII's words) to support the RCC's teachings.

To our RC colleagues on this Board: Please do communicate the above to your bishop, with the request that same be forwarded to the Vatican. I for one shall await most anxiously the response.

Regards as always,

Dave

Amen!! I would even rejoin the church on those points!

Well ok that might be a bit extreme there is still other stuff I don't agree with but it would be a great step of progress.

 

[GodsTwo]

Archy
we did not apologize for saying you are in error, if you see a brother in error should you not try to correct him? Most Catholics do not use the term heretic when talking about protestants anymore because it is seen as rude and it downplays the fact that protestants are Christians, most Catholics use the term "seperated brothers and sisters" when talking about how protestants relate to the Church.
The assurance of salvation part is kinda tricky, we believe that if you die in a state of friendship with Christ you are saved, we do not believe in "once saved always saved" we do say that protestants can be saved by the power of Christ.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Amen!! I would even rejoin the church on those points!

Well ok that might be a bit extreme there is still other stuff I don't agree with but it would be a great step of progress.

Ah come on, give us a hint

 

[beamishboy]

Dear Beamishboy,

I suspect the most sensible thing we can do when someone apologises, is not to look the gift horse in mouth or to make the one apologising uncomfortable. Christ did not behave so.

Dear Anglian,

You made several quotations from the Pope. Not once was the apology directed at Protestants against whom the RCs directed the worst aggression and venom. An ancestor of mine died in the hands of Thomas More. More wanted him burnt at the stake but because of his high title, he was beheaded. Instead of an apology, the Pope made him a saint.

Please do not tell me that there are Anglicans who support the RCs here. We all know there are papal puppets in the Anglican church. Recently, Anglican prelates and priests accused the current Archbishop of being a papal puppet.

The beamishboy will change all this when he takes the cloth. I cannot betray the blood of Protestant martyrs the way some Anglicans can.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The beamishboy will change all this when he takes the cloth. I cannot betray the blood of Protestant martyrs the way some Anglicans can.

Did someone mention blood!!!!

Exodus 7:20 And Moses and Aaron are doing as which YHWH instructed. And he is holding high in rod, and is smiting the waters which in Nile, before eyes of Pharaoh, and before eyes of his servants, and they are being turned all of the waters which in Nile to blood.

Revelation 11:6 These ones are having the authority to shut/lock the heaven, that no shower may be raining the days of the prophecy of them. And authority they are having over the waters to be turning them to blood, and to smite the land with every stripe/blow, as often as they are desiring/willing.

 

[Zoness]

Anglicans have been lining up more and more with the RCC am I like the only protestant Anglican left?

 

[beamishboy]

Let's be like Apostle Paul. Even in his time, there were people who preached "the other gospel". Did he ask for unity between his true church and the false church? No, he asked his church to have nothing to do with the false teachings.

Why should there be unification between the RCs and the Protestants? If the RCs believe they are right, we should go our separate ways. The same goes with Protestants. If we believe that the RCs are preaching another gospel, what unification is there? Is unification scriptural? Did Paul ask for a unification with those he warned the church of in his epistles? At no point did any of the Apostles suggest that there should be unity with those preaching a different gospel. Unity among Protestants is a different issue. The same goes with unity among RCs and those they view to be reasonably in line with them such as the Orthodox. But the chasm between Protestants and RCs is wide and impassable. Would the Apostles have asked for unification between the two? It does not appear so from the Epistles.

 

[beamishboy]

Anglicans have been lining up more and more with the RCC am I like the only protestant Anglican left?

You can't be more Protestant than the beamishboy. Hehe.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Anglicans have been lining up more and more with the RCC am I like the only protestant Anglican left?

Well, evidentally so as you have not completely broken away from Rome yet.

http://www.acahome.org/whatisac.htm

The Anglican Church in America is a branch of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church instituted by Jesus Christ. The word 'Anglican' refers to our spiritual heritage and roots in the Church of England.

It retained its 'Catholic' heritage enshrined in the Creeds, the decisions of the General Councils, its liturgy and sacraments, and in the threefold ministry of bishops, priests and deacons in Apostolic Succession.

 

[Zoness]

You can't be more Protestant than the beamishboy. Hehe.

Ok at least there are two of us out there.

I mean I have spent so long looking for a church that I like and here I find the Anglicans only to find my local Parish getting more Roman every sunday. I should take a trip to the fringe of christendom.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ok at least there are two of us out there.

I mean I have spent so long looking for a church that I like and here I find the Anglicans only to find my local Parish getting more Roman every sunday. I should take a trip to the fringe of christendom.

Greetings. Just find a few Christians, pack a lunch, go out to a lake or park and hold church service there. Can't get much more fringe than that.

 

[Zoness]

Now starting a church for the next 5 interested posters lol

 

[bbbbbbb]

Archy
we did not apologize for saying you are in error, if you see a brother in error should you not try to correct him? Most Catholics do not use the term heretic when talking about protestants anymore because it is seen as rude and it downplays the fact that protestants are Christians, most Catholics use the term "seperated brothers and sisters" when talking about how protestants relate to the Church.
The assurance of salvation part is kinda tricky, we believe that if you die in a state of friendship with Christ you are saved, we do not believe in "once saved always saved" we do say that protestants can be saved by the power of Christ.

You are absolutely correct that the Catholic Church has never offered the assurance of salvation to anyone at any time. What the Catholic Church offers is the possibility of salvation. To achieve salvation is to meet a list of sacraments and other requirements up to the Last Rites, at which time the devout Catholic may be given the promise of purgatory. How Protestants fit into this picture, along with other non-Catholics, is a great mystery, indeed. No Catholic can, or will, explain how a pious Protestant can even hope for purgatory without renouncing Protestantism and embracing Catholicism. If Catholics lack all assurance of salvation, assuredly Protestants and other non-Catholics have even less, if that is possible.

 

[Zoness]

See what worries me is that if your not assured you are going to heaven you have very little faith.

 

[lionroar0]

Now starting a church for the next 5 interested posters lol

lol

Peace

 

[lionroar0]

You are absolutely correct that the Catholic Church has never offered the assurance of salvation to anyone at any time. What the Catholic Church offers is the possibility of salvation. To achieve salvation is to meet a list of sacraments and other requirements up to the Last Rites, at which time the devout Catholic may be given the promise of purgatory. How Protestants fit into this picture, along with other non-Catholics, is a great mystery, indeed. No Catholic can, or will, explain how a pious Protestant can even hope for purgatory without renouncing Protestantism and embracing Catholicism. If Catholics lack all assurance of salvation, assuredly Protestants and other non-Catholics have even less, if that is possible.

Darn your funny.

Salvation means perfect judgement(sp?)

Does any on earth other then God poses perfect judgement?

I would like to know?

The Church prays for ALLl souls in purgatory 24/7/365

By the Mass and also through the Lecto Divina and through individual members that do it out of part of some personal devotion or other.

Peace

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The Church prays for ALLl souls in purgatory 24/7/365

Not me.

 

[archierieus]

Now starting a church for the next 5 interested posters lol

Hey Zoness, I hear what you are saying. My wife and I started a community Bible fellowship, called the Upper Room. People from different churches here in town are involved, without prejudice to their respective churches. They are still Baptists, Roman Catholics, AG's, etc. (several RC's attend) but come together for Christian fellowship, to exalt Jesus and His holy Word. We feel blessed. You are welcome to be part of it! And how about teaming up to start an online Christian fellowship? I'm game.

Dave

 

[archierieus]

Salvation means perfect judgement

No. Salvation means accepting the free gift of Christ's perfect life to stand in the place of my sinful life. I am not perfect, far from it. But Jesus is perfect, He lived that perfect life, and it is mine by faith. Salvation is Christ's completed, perfect work, which man cannot add to. And it is the acceptance of His death on the cross to pay the price for all my sins. "Not I, but Christ." Look away from self, away from self-effort, away from a record of shortcomings, and 'behold the Lamb of God, Who takes away the sin of the world." (Jn. 1)

The Church prays for ALLl souls in purgatory 24/7/365

By the Mass and also through the Lecto Divina and through individual members that do it out of part of some personal devotion or other.

No one, no matter how long they try or how hard they work at it, can achieve the righteousness of God, nor purify oneself from defilement. Jesus stands in our place. And Jesus transforms us by His grace. Jesus gives us new hearts, new minds and, when He returns, new bodies (1 Cor. 15) In Christ, believers are complete.

Dave

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Np.........ot