Peter Is Not The Rock!

[archierieus]

Why should there be unification between the RCs and the Protestants?

BB, my young friend, you make a very good point. Indeed, the differences are quite distinct. The Protestant gospel is different from the RC gospel. As well, the Protestant doctrinal authority--the holy Bible, is different from that of the RC and EO--Church tradition, the 'Fathers,' the Councils. And so forth. In today's culture, it seems 'PC' to say we should all come together. Indeed, there is some common ground. Yet the fundamentals are significantly different. And the only basis on which the RCC woud accept 'coming together' would be recognition of the 'Roman pontiff' as supreme, and of the RCC as the only true Church. With requirements lik that, unity is not feasible, either Scripturally or practically.

Dave

 

[lionroar0]

No. Salvation means accepting the free gift of Christ's perfect life to stand in the place of my sinful life. I am not perfect, far from it. But Jesus is perfect, He lived that perfect life, and it is mine by faith. Salvation is Christ's completed, perfect work, which man cannot add to. And it is the acceptance of His death on the cross to pay the price for all my sins. "Not I, but Christ." Look away from self, away from self-effort, away from a record of shortcomings, and 'behold the Lamb of God, Who takes away the sin of the world." (Jn. 1)



No one, no matter how long they try or how hard they work at it, can achieve the righteousness of God, nor purify oneself from defilement. Jesus stands in our place. And Jesus transforms us by His grace. Jesus gives us new hearts, new minds and, when He returns, new bodies (1 Cor. 15) In Christ, believers are complete.

Dave

Salvation is entirely up to God's judgment. Did we do His will? Did we not do His will?


One does have to accept Jesus and answer His call and do the will of the Father. One has to strive to do the will of the Father.


One man says no to His father but does what His father asked.

One man says yes but doea not do what His father asked.

Who do you think did his father's will?

Accepting Jesus is the first step to salvation. Salvation is conditional on doing the Father's will.

Yes we actually do have to do the Father's will. That is the Gospel of Chris.



Peace

 

[archierieus]

Then what happens?

Paul the apostle tells us in a couple of accounts, 1 Cor. 15 and 2 Thess. 4 (I think). When Christ returns, we are glorified, we receive new bodies, we are caught up to meet the Lord in the air and are taken to the place Jesus has prepared for us in heaven. (Jn. 14:1 - 3)

Dave

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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[LittleLambofJesus]

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[archierieus]

Salvation is entirely up to God's judgment. Did we do His will? Did we not do His will?


One does have to accept Jesus and answer His call and do the will of the Father. One has to strive to do the will of the Father.


One man says no to His father but does what His father asked.

One man says yes but doea not do what His father asked.

Who do you think did his father's will?

Accepting Jesus is the first step to salvation. Salvation is conditional on doing the Father's will.

Yes we actually do have to do the Father's will. That is the Gospel of Chris.

This, again, is an excellent illustration of a key difference in theology and beliefs. The Protestant understanding of salvation might be summarized by the 'in Christ' motif of Paul the apostle. Rom. 7:1 - 10, and ch. 6: We enter int Christ's death, symbolized by baptism (Gr. 'immersion,' etymology from the dye industry) buried in the watery grave, dying to the old life, our sins washed away in the waters of baptism. We have died, as well, 'to that with which we were bound (ch. 7).

We are raised up to a new life with Christ, we are SPIRITUALLY JOINED TO CHRIST, we are adopted into the family of God. We are IN CHRIST, we are covered by Christ's perfect righteousness, and His perfect life is credited to us. That is the continuing basis for our salvation. It is not Christ PLUS our works, it is Christ, only Christ.

Does that mean we are not being changed? No. We are being changed through union with Jesus. He is purifying us from defilement. We cannot purify ourselves, but Jesus can and will purify us, so long as we stay in connection with Him. Our choice is whether or not to stay in living relationship with the true Vine. Jesus strengthens us and helps us to make that choice. If we will stay in union with Jesus, He will do His works through us. It is Christ, from beginning to end. Christ is our justification, Christ is our sanctification, Christ is our glorification, from Alpha to Omega.

Dave

 

[lionroar0]

Greetings. How does the RC view on the return of JESUS in the future compare to the non-RCs view on the return. Just curios.

When He returs there will be judgement. The wheat will be separated from the chaff and where we saw through a glass darkly. We will see clearly.

We will be resurrected in glorified bodies. There will be no countries and nations. We will be one in the kingdom of God.

Peace

 

[archierieus]

Then what happens?

Well, my esteemed online friend, please do enlighten me! What are you thinking of? What do you see happening at that point?

Dave

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Np........ot

 

[lionroar0]

This, again, is an excellent illustration of a key difference in theology and beliefs. The Protestant understanding of salvation might be summarized by the 'in Christ' motif of Paul the apostle. Rom. 7:1 - 10, and ch. 6: We enter int Christ's death, symbolized by baptism (Gr. 'immersion,' etymology from the dye industry) buried in the watery grave, dying to the old life, our sins washed away in the waters of baptism. We have died, as well, 'to that with which we were bound (ch. 7).

We are raised up to a new life with Christ, we are SPIRITUALLY JOINED TO CHRIST, we are adopted into the family of God. We are IN CHRIST, we are covered by Christ's perfect righteousness, and His perfect life is credited to us. That is the continuing basis for our salvation. It is not Christ PLUS our works, it is Christ, only Christ.

Does that mean we are not being changed? No. We are being changed through union with Jesus. He is purifying us from defilement. We cannot purify ourselves, but Jesus can and will purify us, so long as we stay in connection with Him. Our choice is whether or not to stay in living relationship with the true Vine. Jesus strengthens us and helps us to make that choice. If we will stay in union with Jesus, He will do His works through us. It is Christ, from beginning to end. Christ is our justification, Christ is our sanctification, Christ is our glorification, from Alpha to Omega.

Dave

This is funny cause that's what the CC teaches and has taught.

In summation.

We are not saved through our good works but by the grace of Jesus Christ.

Maybe CC theolgy is not as different as people think it is.

Peace

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Np........ot

 

[lionroar0]

Where does the RCC see His return in Revelation? Just curious.

I'm not sure if this is where the Rcc sees His return in revelation.

But I would speculate the verse where it says that He will come on cloud.

The Reapers

14Then I looked, and behold, a (BB)white cloud, and sitting on the cloud was one (BC)like [b]a son of man, having a golden (BD)crown on His head and a sharp sickle in His hand.


Peace

 

[lionroar0]

Also here.

11And I saw (AK)heaven opened, and behold, a (AL)white horse, and He who sat on it is called (AM)Faithful and True, and in (AN)righteousness He judges and wages war.

12His (AO)eyes are a flame of fire, and on His head are many (AP)diadems; and He has a (AQ)name written on Him which no one knows except Himself. 13He is clothed with a (AR)robe dipped in blood, and His name is called (AS)The Word of God.

Peace

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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[archierieus]

This is funny cause that's what the CC teaches and has taught.

In summation.

We are not saved through our good works but by the grace of Jesus Christ.

Maybe CC theolgy is not as different as people think it is.

Peace

Those are some interesting statements. The differences between the RC gospel and the Protestant gospel have been commented on by many students. Some of those differences have been alluded to on this thread. Generally speaking, as I understand it, the RC version is grace plus man's works. And, as I recall, you yourself, recently on this thread, mentioned doing good works as a part of salvation--that accepting Christ was the beginning, but our 'doing the Father's will' is necessary to salvation. The Protestant version is 'by grace alone' and being covered by Christ's perfect righteousness.

Dave

Dave

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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[archierieus]

I have study on that mysterious 1000yr period and in my view, I believe it is a summation of the previous chapters of Rev, and in my view, could just be symbolizing Daniels' time, times, half a time. Still working on the translation of it.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7135180&page=2
Revelation 20:2 question

Revelation 20:1 And I perceived a messenger descending out of the heaven, having the key of the abyss, and a chain/alusin, great, on the hand of him.
2 And he seizes the Dragon, the serpent, the ancient, who is a Devil, and [the] Satan/Adversary. And he binds him a thousand years.
3 And he casts him into the abyss, and he locks and he seals over of him, that no he should still be deceiving the nations until should-be-being-finished/telesqh <5055> (5686) the thousand years. After these, it is binding him to be loosed him a little time

That is a topic which I, too, have devoted considerable study. I would be very interested in comparing notes with you. Do I understand there is already a thread on topic? I wonder if that would be the best place to go forward with it?

Dave

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That is a topic which I, too, have devoted considerable study. I would be very interested in comparing notes with you. Do I understand there is already a thread on topic? I wonder if that would be the best place to go forward with it?

Dave

Sure! Seems like not many are interested in it. That thread is still there garnering cobwebs
oh wait, there has been a few recent post on there. I forgot about it LOL

 

[lionroar0]

Those are some interesting statements. The differences between the RC gospel and the Protestant gospel have been commented on by many students. Some of those differences have been alluded to on this thread. Generally speaking, as I understand it, the RC version is grace plus man's works. And, as I recall, you yourself, recently on this thread, mentioned doing good works as a part of salvation--that accepting Christ was the beginning, but our 'doing the Father's will' is necessary to salvation. The Protestant version is 'by grace alone' and being covered by Christ's perfect righteousness.

Dave

Dave

There are differences but it seems to me that maybe most of them are probably just semantic. After many years of being apart each camp has come up with it's on version of christianese.

I say tomato, you say "tomato." I say "tomato, you say tomato.


I'll try my best to translate.

What Catholics mean by "good works"= Christ working through us.

Evangilizing, taking care of the poor, feeding the hungry, praying.. ect..

No one can do the Father's will with out Grace.

Peace

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I am going to delete all my post that were not on topic and I apologize for straying from it. Peace