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Anyone seeing a pattern here?
Heeeeelllllllllo, papal succession?
I can't believe you all are missing this.
The Word of Yahuweh can't be any plainer than this.
The Savior for whom the Rock was named, asked His disciples the most important question ever posed: "Who do you say (lego - affirm and maintain, advise and teach) I Am (eimi - I exist and am present as)?" To which, a disciple named for the astuteness of his revelation, responded: "Simon (a transliteration of the Hebrew name Shimown, meaning to listen, understand, discern, regard, and proclaim) Petros (a masculine proper name meaning pebble or stone) gave the answer, The Messiah, the Son of the living God." (Matthew 16:15-16)
Affirming this live-saving truth, "Yahushua said (lego), Blessed (makarios - a poetic term denoting transcendent happiness in a life beyond labor and death) are you Shimown (the one who listens, understands, discerns, regards, and proclaims), son of (bar) Yonah (from yownah, meaning the dove; the name of a Yahudi sent to Nineveh, Assyria whose life and book serve as a prophetic metaphor for Yahushua saving Gentiles), because flesh and blood did not make this manifest (apokalupto - disclose by baring), but My Father who is in Heaven." (Matthew 16:17) As is usually true with Scripture, every name and nuance was carefully chosen, revealing subtle and profound truths.
What follows is important. Petros/Peter isnt the petra/bedrock. The recognition that "Yahushua is the Messiah, the Son of the living God," is the foundation upon which the ekklesia/called-out assembly would be restored and established. Beyond the evidence sprinkled throughout the Tanach, identifying the Rock with Yahshua, "Petros" was a man and every reference to "petra/bedrock" is feminine.
"Indeed (de), I (kago) say (logos) concerning this (hoti - as a marker of equivalence for identifying and explaining this) to you (soi), you (su) are (ei) Petros (a masculine proper noun meaning pebble or stone), and (kai) upon/by/in/with (epi - "upon" when used with things that are at rest, "by" when used in relationship to people, "with" when used in connection with authority, and "in" used in reference to an observation) this one (taute - singular feminine demonstrative pronoun) Rock (petra - bedrock, a feminine noun; a large stone which projects itself) I shall build by edifying, promoting, and restoring (oikodomeo - rebuild and establish, strengthen and enable, instruct and improve) My (mou) called out gathering (ekklesia)." (Matthew 16:18)
English translations all leave "hoti/concerning this" out of their renderings of Yahshuas answer. Had it been included, no rational person would have thought that Petros, rather than his answer, was the foundation of the ekklesia. The source of edification and restoration is the Savior, not his flawed and imperfect disciple.
Believing Peter is the Rock is irrational and delusional. The evidence of Yahuweh's Word is irrevocable/irrefutable and supercedes, trumps, pre-empts, negates, refutes, and proves to be a lie all that oppose/contradict it, whether said opposition is human or church dogma.
Yeah, like that Rick.If He meant for Peter to be what He was gonna build His church on, He would've said," Thou art Peter & upon YOU I will build my church?
In order to say "this rock" & still mean Pete, He would've had to be talking to someone OTHER than Peter?
Another question is, why did "Peter" fear the circumcision group if he was filled with the Holy Spirit like the rest of the Apostles at Pentecost.If He meant for Peter to be what He was gonna build His church on, He would've said," Thou art Peter & upon YOU I will build my church?
In order to say "this rock" & still mean Pete, He would've had to be talking to someone OTHER than Peter?
The Word of Yahuweh can't be any plainer than this.
The Savior for whom the Rock was named, asked His disciples the most important question ever posed: "Who do you say (lego - affirm and maintain, advise and teach) I Am (eimi - I exist and am present as)?" To which, a disciple named for the astuteness of his revelation, responded: "Simon (a transliteration of the Hebrew name Shimown, meaning to listen, understand, discern, regard, and proclaim) Petros (a masculine proper name meaning pebble or stone) gave the answer, The Messiah, the Son of the living God." (Matthew 16:15-16)
Affirming this live-saving truth, "Yahushua said (lego), Blessed (makarios - a poetic term denoting transcendent happiness in a life beyond labor and death) are you Shimown (the one who listens, understands, discerns, regards, and proclaims), son of (bar) Yonah (from yownah, meaning the dove; the name of a Yahudi sent to Nineveh, Assyria whose life and book serve as a prophetic metaphor for Yahushua saving Gentiles), because flesh and blood did not make this manifest (apokalupto - disclose by baring), but My Father who is in Heaven." (Matthew 16:17) As is usually true with Scripture, every name and nuance was carefully chosen, revealing subtle and profound truths.
What follows is important. Petros/Peter isnt the petra/bedrock. The recognition that "Yahushua is the Messiah, the Son of the living God," is the foundation upon which the ekklesia/called-out assembly would be restored and established. Beyond the evidence sprinkled throughout the Tanach, identifying the Rock with Yahshua, "Petros" was a man and every reference to "petra/bedrock" is feminine.
"Indeed (de), I (kago) say (logos) concerning this (hoti - as a marker of equivalence for identifying and explaining this) to you (soi), you (su) are (ei) Petros (a masculine proper noun meaning pebble or stone), and (kai) upon/by/in/with (epi - "upon" when used with things that are at rest, "by" when used in relationship to people, "with" when used in connection with authority, and "in" used in reference to an observation) this one (taute - singular feminine demonstrative pronoun) Rock (petra - bedrock, a feminine noun; a large stone which projects itself) I shall build by edifying, promoting, and restoring (oikodomeo - rebuild and establish, strengthen and enable, instruct and improve) My (mou) called out gathering (ekklesia)." (Matthew 16:18)
English translations all leave "hoti/concerning this" out of their renderings of Yahshuas answer. Had it been included, no rational person would have thought that Petros, rather than his answer, was the foundation of the ekklesia. The source of edification and restoration is the Savior, not his flawed and imperfect disciple.
Believing Peter is the Rock is irrational and delusional. The evidence of Yahuweh's Word is irrevocable/irrefutable and supercedes, trumps, pre-empts, negates, refutes, and proves to be a lie all that oppose/contradict it, whether said opposition is human or church dogma.
I suggest the Rocky theme song be played after the successfull election of a pope.
It seemed so obvious.
I thought it was just me for awhile there.
Boy was I feeling either stupid or lonely.
I guess I must be a lot like Peter that way.
When things aren't going well, I tend to cave.
Man have these last few posts helped my morale,
which for other reasons has reached an all time low lately.
look how good God is to me.
The Word of Yahuweh can't be any plainer than this..
look how good God is to me.
I see, so you somehow understand the Word better than those who learned at the feet of the Apostles whom Jesus sent to teach it to the world. They were taught by the very ones who wrote the Gosples and Epistles and yet, 2000 years later, you have discovered their error and are prepared to correct them.
Completely incredible!
Even Judas got it wrong.
Thomas doubted.
Peter denied thrice & feared the circumcizers.
Paul couldn't get along with Barnabus.
It is incredible, but as He says, it ain't about who you ran with, knew in the flesh, not even who you shared the original Eucharist with.
Ro 9:16 - Show Context So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. He has a way of making our wisdom foolish.
Lu 10:21 - Show Context In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
G'night, Iggy!
My main issue is when I or some other non-catholic Christian are essentially called a non-christian by a catholic in front of other religions and atheists when we are debating themThese were Protestant issues that he mentioned. Not things that Catholics get heartburn over.
It would seem that you folks get a belly ache over your own issues but even more so, Catholic issues.
And even in the english the antecedent is plain:
Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona:
for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee,
but my Father which is in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Petera,
and upon this rock I will build my church;
and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:
Another important point:
Is there any other allusion
to Jesus making any man
the foundation of His body?
I am pretty tired of all of this.
In another thread Uphill Battle mentioned some issues and asked, "Does it really matter?"
These were Protestant issues that he mentioned. Not things that Catholics get heartburn over.
It would seem that you folks get a belly ache over your own issues but even more so, Catholic issues.
You can argue, page after page over page about things that you seem to believe are true. What does the arguing get you? Do you ever prove a point? I doubt you ever will. You are arguing things that folks have believed for 2000 years. You aren't changing anything.
The worst thing is you are not glorifying God. That is not even your goal, is it? All you care about is trying to prove you are right.
All of the words in the world will not change anything.
Don't you ever get tired?
You think this builds up the Body of Christ?
It has flat worn me out.
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