Peter denying Christ

[Grafted In]

Is there a member or group of members that have studied Peter's fear when he was accused of being with Christ?
Perry Stone did a Mannafeast on it and I learned that Peter's having cut off the ear of a solder at the time of Jesus' arrest was punishable by crucifixion.
I had always assumed that when Scripture says that Peter began to curse and swear, it meant lots of foul language.
He swore an oath that had to be broken
As Perry points out, that's why, after Jesus was resurrected, He asked Peter 3 times if he loved Him.

 

[Terri Dactyl]

Are you speaking of the 3 times Peter denied Jesus? I'm not clear what you are asking. Jesus asked him 3 times because of the denial 3 times, thats what I thought.

 

[public hermit]

Mannafeast

Was this an auto-correct error or does it reference a feast of heavenly food?

I think Peter overestimated his ability when he correctly identified Jesus as the Messiah or Son of God (depending on which Gospel you're reading). Jesus made it clear that insight came from God, but he still had the nerve to rebuke Jesus and tell him what the Messiah could and could not do. He always comes across as a hothead. Humility was not his gift so he got a lesson in it. But I can't blame him for being afraid. It helps to remember that this was prior to his experience of the resurrected Lord and filling of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Grafted In]

John was there as Peter was being accused of being among His followers.
Stone pointed out that he was not afraid.
He was among them at His arrest and trial.

 

[Grafted In]

Was this an auto-correct error or does it reference a feast of heavenly food?

 

[public hermit]

Was this an auto-correct error or does it reference a feast of heavenly food?

Yeah. Mannafeast?

 

[sandman]

Is there a member or group of members that have studied Peter's fear when he was accused of being with Christ?
Perry Stone did a Mannafeast on it and I learned that Peter's having cut off the ear of a solder at the time of Jesus' arrest was punishable by crucifixion.
I had always assumed that when Scripture says that Peter began to curse and swear, it meant lots of foul language.
He swore an oath that had to be broken
As Perry points out, that's why, after Jesus was resurrected, He asked Peter 3 times if he loved Him.

Are you trying to make a correlation between the denials of Peter after Christ was arrested ....and the three X in John _ 21:15

 

[Grafted In]

May I post a link to Perry Stone's teaching on this subject.

 

[sandman]

May I post a link to Perry Stone's teaching on this subject.

I am fairly certain that is allowable ... people post teaching vids all the time.

 

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[All Becomes New]

Personally, I always thought Peter's intentions were for good, that he wanted to learn more about what was happening to Jesus and then only "slipped" in a pursuit to learn more. But that's just speculation as I have not studied this in depth - though it would be an interesting thing to study, I think.

 

[Grafted In]

Personally, I always thought Peter's intentions were for good, that he wanted to learn more about what was happening to Jesus and then only "slipped" in a pursuit to learn more. But that's just speculation as I have not studied this in depth - though it would be an interesting thing to study, I think.

I agree. But here he is facing a real possibility of being crucified.

 

[Terri Dactyl]

Are you trying to make a correlation between the denials of Peter after Christ was arrested ....and the three X in John _ 21:15

Yes.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The man Peter cut the ear off of was a Temple soldier, not a Roman soldier. So my gut instinct is that it's doubtful Peter would have fear being crucified for that act.

I think Peter's fear was that he was witnessing all his hopes and dreams about the Messiah slip through his fingers, and he didn't want to be associated with a now "failed messiah" currently being executed by the Roman authorities. Fear of those authorities almost certainly did play a huge role, not just for Peter, but for all of them. The sheep scattered, and then they hid out of fear, that Rome might do to them what they did to their Master. Therefore Peter didn't want to be guilty by association with Someone now charged and accused with a capital offense against Rome--Rome didn't take kindly to messianic upstarts and their followers. Most of Jesus' followers would have remembered what happened to Judas the Galilean and his followers when they were younger.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Grafted In]

Not just any Temple soldier.

 

[Diamond72]

Perry Stone did a Mannafeast on it and I learned that Peter's having cut off the ear of a solder at the time of Jesus' arrest was punishable by crucifixion.

A fisherman is not going to cut off the ear of a soldier. He cut off the ear of a servant of the High Priest. Jesus healed the ear so they would have to deny that it was cut off or admit that Jesus performed a miracle and that would mean that God was with Him.

 

[Grafted In]

There's a fairly large number in the arresting party. Roman solders and a group from the High Priest.
(Not sure if this is worth anything but my Bible says THE servant of the High Priest, not A servant.)
Anyway, everyone is represented.
There was quite a commotion at one point when Jesus asked them who they came for. When He spoke IAm He, there were solders and weapons and priests and torches thrown back to the ground. Peter takes his sword and cuts off the ear. Jesus rebukes him and restores the ear.
There's most likely more shuffling,pushing and shoving.
It was dark. Lanterns would be tossed about.
I know of no Scriptute that tells us that Peter saw mirical. He knew he'd struck the man from the High Priest.
Again, lots of comotion.
Didn't the High Priest have the power of life and death simply by referring them to the Roman's.
How many men saw Peter strike the man?
He knew being the one to take up arms against Rome and The High Priest was witnessed by several members of both. He had good reason, I think, to fear being arrested, tried and crucified along with Jesus. Get rid if the trouble maker.
I don't claim to have a clear, Scriptural understanding of such matters, but I think any man in his situation would be in fear.
And he did not have The Holy Spirit.
In just one Gospel, Peter is first taken to Annas, the former High Priest and then the man who appointed the current High Priest, his son in law. They held the power to refer Peter to the Roman's for the death sentence, I believe.
It's my understanding at this point in my journey that Peter was scared to death.

 

[Grafted In]

I looked up the name of the servant of the High Priest, Malchus, in Hebrew and it means King.
I suggest that he directly represented the High Priest.
Again, this was quite a comotion.
A great amount of people were sent to arrest Jesus, much in part due to the fact that a prior attempt had failed.
And Passover was at hand.....

 

[Grafted In]

Can anyone tell me why The Holy Spirit led John to give the name of the servant, Malchus, if he was nothing more than a slave?
John 18:10

 

[Grafted In]

Then in verse 26, point out a blood relative of that servant present.