PETA

[April_Rose]

Are you guys for them or against them? As much as I love animals I am definitely against them. I was just thinking about this today when I was drinking milk because according to them we aren't supposed to drink milk or eat any dairy products,.. however,.. do they realize if we didn't milk cows that it would be disastrous for their health? (Sometimes I do agree with this organization though so that's why I voted for the second choice.)

 

[Isilwen]

Are you guys for them or against them? As much as I love animals I am definitely against them. I was just thinking about this today when I was drinking milk because according to them we aren't supposed to drink milk or eat any dairy products,.. however,.. do they realize if we didn't milk cows that it would be disastrous for their health? (Sometimes I do agree with this organization though so that's why I voted for the second choice.)

Very much against them. If they could, they would make sure that even cats and dogs are turned loose as they think that they are oppressed and deserve to live in the wild. The Humane Society of the United States (not to be confused with your local humane society) is the same way.

I would be fine if all such organizations were abolished!

 

[April_Rose]

Yeah, I would be fine with that also though,.. I don't need them around to have my own opinions about things and I thought that they were alright with pets to a point though.

 

[comana]

Are you guys for them or against them? As much as I love animals I am definitely against them. I was just thinking about this today when I was drinking milk because according to them we aren't supposed to drink milk or eat any dairy products,.. however,.. do they realize if we didn't milk cows that it would be disastrous for their health? (Sometimes I do agree with this organization though so that's why I voted for the second choice.)

I don’t like them because their ideology is way too aggressive. There are far better animal advocate groups out there.

As far as what you mentioned about the cows though, if their calves weren’t taken away then there would be no need to milk them. I’m not anti-dairy but just pointing out that the need to milk cows is human created.

 

[April_Rose]

Oh okay yeah I guess I see your point about the milk thing.

 

[renniks]

Are you guys for them or against them? As much as I love animals I am definitely against them. I was just thinking about this today when I was drinking milk because according to them we aren't supposed to drink milk or eat any dairy products,.. however,.. do they realize if we didn't milk cows that it would be disastrous for their health? (Sometimes I do agree with this organization though so that's why I voted for the second choice.)

They are crazy. And hypocritical.

 

[April_Rose]

They are crazy. And hypocritical.

I understand the crazy part, but how are they hypocritical?

 

[Isilwen]

I understand the crazy part, but how are they hypocritical?

One way is by downing the euthanasia numbers in local shelters, while their own euthanasia numbers are the highest in the country.

For your perusal:

PETA Killed Nearly 1,600 Cats and Dogs in 2019 - Center for Consumer Freedom

 

[renniks]

I understand the crazy part, but how are they hypocritical?

Veganism still kills animals. Every time you clear a field, or harvest you kill animals. Not to mention all the animals that are killed for crop damage.
Better to be honest and kill your own food when possible, IMO. But I'm a hunter.

 

[durangodawood]

Veganism still kills animals. Every time you clear a field, or harvest you kill animals. Not to mention all the animals that are killed for crop damage.
Better to be honest and kill your own food when possible, IMO. But I'm a hunter.

I do think hunting is the most ethical form of meat acquisition. (Not accounting for environmental factors - I say this living in a heavy hunting-tourism zone where the infrastructure that hunters bring along from out of state is pretty intense.) But there's nothing inherently dishonest about either veganism or farmed meat.

Hard to imagine veganism being worse than animal farming for slaughter tho, considering how much crops are grown just for industrial meat production. We're killing at both ends of there.

 

[April_Rose]

One way is by downing the euthanasia numbers in local shelters, while their own euthanasia numbers are the highest in the country.

For your perusal:

PETA Killed Nearly 1,600 Cats and Dogs in 2019 - Center for Consumer Freedom

It didn't explain how they were killing their animals though and I was just wondering,.. if humans never milked cows, would calves be able to drain all of the milk out of their mother's utters? (And I do mean all of it btw.)

 

[April_Rose]

I do think hunting is the most ethical form of meat acquisition.

That's when I say that hunting for meat and just killing animals for fun and fur are two separate things. As I'm not a huge fan of hunting myself, but even I can spot the differences.

 

[durangodawood]

That's when I say that hunting for meat and just killing animals for fun and fur are two separate things. As I'm not a huge fan of hunting myself, but even I can spot the differences.

I think trophy hunting is sick. But I have quite a bit of respect for my hunter friends who take an elk and fill the freezer without propping up a huge rack on the back of their pickup for all to see.

Also... hunting is no solution for feeding meat regularly to 330 Mil US residents.

 

[Isilwen]

It didn't explain how they were killing their animals though and I was just wondering,.. if humans never milked cows, would calves be able to drain all of the milk out of their mother's utters?

They say they use an intravenous injection of sodium pentobarbital which basically stops the heart and I would pray that they aren't lying.

I know nothing about milking cows. Sorry!

 

[April_Rose]

They say they use an intravenous injection of sodium pentobarbital which basically stops the heart and I would pray that they aren't lying.

Okay, then my next question is why they're doing that to those poor animals.

 

[comana]

It didn't explain how they were killing their animals though and I was just wondering,.. if humans never milked cows, would calves be able to drain all of the milk out of their mother's utters? (And I do mean all of it btw.)

If calves were left with the cows and the cows did not have extra milking from humans, then the cow would only produce enough milk for the needs of the calf.

 

[Isilwen]

I think trophy hunting is sick. But I have quite a bit of respect for my hunter friends who take an elk and fill the freezer without propping up a huge rack on the back of their pickup for all to see.

I used to hunt (haven't since I moved to Florida) when I lived in PA and NY. The one and only buck I ever shot was an eight-point buck that dressed out at 175 pounds. Had a butcher for the meat, and a taxidermist mounted the head and preserved the pelt for me. There was nothing I could do with the head or the pelt and felt it best to at least keep them somehow.

Are you saying that it was wrong of me to do so?

 

[Isilwen]

Okay, then my next question is why they're doing that to those poor animals.

Because they are PETA and would rather see the animals dead if they aren't free.

 

[durangodawood]

I used to hunt (haven't since I moved to Florida) when I lived in PA and NY. The one and only buck I ever shot was an eight-point buck that dressed out at 175 pounds. Had a butcher for the meat, and a taxidermist mounted the head and preserved the pelt for me. There was nothing I could do with the head or the pelt and felt it best to at least keep them somehow.

Are you saying that it was wrong of me to do so?

Ethically, I'm talking about the trophy being the main goal.

As for your case, it sounds more like a matter of taste (which I do not share with you) than ethics. I think finding a use for the hide is great. But I dont like looking at the formerly living animal "staring" from the wall. The best part of the animal is gone, while keeping the trophy sort of pretends otherwise. But like I say, this is taste, not ethics.

 

[April_Rose]

Because they are PETA and would rather see the animals dead if they aren't free.

Ah I see,.. well that makes perfect sense,.. NOT!!