PETA

[Isilwen]

Ethically, I'm talking about the trophy being the main goal.

As for your case, it sounds more like a matter of taste (which I do not share with you) than ethics. I think finding a use for the hide is great. But I dont like looking at the formerly living animal "staring" from the wall. The best part of the animal is gone, while keeping the trophy sort of pretends otherwise. But like I say, this is taste, not ethics.

Thank you for your explanation. I guess as you said, it is a matter of taste.

 

[comana]

I used to hunt (haven't since I moved to Florida) when I lived in PA and NY. The one and only buck I ever shot was an eight-point buck that dressed out at 175 pounds. Had a butcher for the meat, and a taxidermist mounted the head and preserved the pelt for me. There was nothing I could do with the head or the pelt and felt it best to at least keep them somehow.

Are you saying that it was wrong of me to do so?

I’m not the poster you asked but I don’t think keeping the head and pelt is wrong. You stated you had the animal butchered for meat so the only way I could see keeping a trophy (head and pelt) as wrong is if that is the only reason you killed it, especially if the meat was left to waste.

I consider trophy hunting a term used for those who hunt an animal with only intention being to create some sort of display.

 

[ViaCrucis]

As far as I'm concerned PETA is anti-animal. They talk a lot of talk, and some of what they SAY sounds good--while also a lot of what they say is just ridiculous nonsense. But their actions speak louder.

PETA doesn't run animal shelters, they run kill centers. And they are known to kidnap animals from their families, bring them to their kill centers and euthanize them. Because they believe it is better for a dog or cat to be killed than to have a happy life living in a home of loving people.

That alone makes even the very little good they sometimes seem to say moot. They are an evil organization that deserves absolutely no support.

If someone loves animals, and wants to support pro-animal organizations, there are dozens of organizations that actually care, and don't engage in pet-napping and animal-murder.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[April_Rose]

I’m not the poster you asked but I don’t think keeping the head and pelt is wrong. You stated you had the animal butchered for meat so the only way I could see keeping a trophy (head and pelt) as wrong is if that is the only reason you killed it, especially if the meat was left to waste.

I consider trophy hunting a term used for those who hunt an animal with only intention being to create some sort of display.

Agreed one hundred percent.

 

[renniks]

I do think hunting is the most ethical form of meat acquisition. (Not accounting for environmental factors - I say this living in a heavy hunting-tourism zone where the infrastructure that hunters bring along from out of state is pretty intense.) But there's nothing inherently dishonest about either veganism or farmed meat.

Hard to imagine veganism being worse than animal farming for slaughter tho, considering how much crops are grown just for industrial meat production. We're killing at both ends of there.

From that perspective, you could say grass fed beef or sheep or whatever was more ethical, but honestly, it's splitting hairs IMO. The other thing you should take into account is that vegans tend to eat food from all over the world, so you have the massive amount of resources used just to get the food to them. Where a guy who goes behind the house and shoots a deer is using the least rescorces.
But I don't really worry about it all. There's bigger issues in the world.

 

[durangodawood]

From that perspective, you could say grass fed beef or sheep or whatever was more ethical, but honestly, it's splitting hairs IMO. The other thing you should take into account is that vegans tend to eat food from all over the world, so you have the massive amount of resources used just to get the food to them. Where a guy who goes behind the house and shoots a deer is using the least rescorces.
But I don't really worry about it all. There's bigger issues in the world.

I'm glad hunting is illegal in residential areas, but that aside, I would sure like to see the deer taken down by hunters rather than cars around here. Either way 330 mil Americans cannot shoot deer from their back porch. Meat will be farmed, probably industrially, or not eaten at all by most people.

Re vegans tho, how do you know what their food decision tendencies on average are? How would I know if they eat globally more so than animal product eaters like me with my French cheese and Alaskan salmon?

 

[renniks]

I'm glad hunting is illegal in residential areas, but that aside, I would sure like to see the deer taken down by hunters rather than cars around here. Either way 330 mil Americans cannot shoot deer from their back porch. Meat will be farmed, probably industrially, or not eaten at all by most people.

Re vegans tho, how do you know what their food decision tendencies on average are? How would I know if they eat globally more so than animal product eaters like me with my French cheese and Alaskan salmon?

Well I don't know statistically, but they seem to need a lot of oddball food from the ocean for the b12 they are missing from not eating meat.
I can literally make my own clothes from deer hides, process my own meat, we raise chickens for eggs and meat, raise sheep for wool. We can be pretty self-sufficient if we need to be.

 

[durangodawood]

Well I don't know statistically, but they seem to need a lot of oddball food from the ocean for the b12 they are missing from not eating meat.
I can literally make my own clothes from deer hides, process my own meat, we raise chickens for eggs and meat, raise sheep for wool. We can be pretty self-sufficient if we need to be.

I think thats super cool. Many of my friends raise animals and do small farming. A lot of Americans could have gardens and perhaps even chickens. I dont think year round full diet self sufficiency is the cards for most of us tho.

 

[bèlla]

AR,

I don’t know much about their recent behavior but I recall their antics in the past. They had frequent protests in the city regarding fur and would threaten to throw paint on people wearing them. This led to violent clashes.

Yours in His Service,

~Bella

 

[April_Rose]

Yep,.. I see now how they're basically hypocrites.

 

[MehGuy]

I am not very familiar with the actions of PETA. Growing up I have heard that their views on animals rights is often extreme. Still.. there are more worthy groups for me to hate. If someone takes their love and care for the wellbeing of animals a little too far, I cannot find myself to be very angry with them. Lol.

 

[jayem]

the only way I could see keeping a trophy (head and pelt) as wrong is if that is the only reason you killed it, especially if the meat was left to waste.

I consider trophy hunting a term used for those who hunt an animal with only intention being to create some sort of display.

Agree completely. I suspect more and more people are questioning the ethics of killing an animal purely for sport and acquiring a trophy. If you remember several years ago, there was an enormous outrage when a wealthy American hunter killed a protected lion, of a somewhat rare sub-species, in an African wildlife park. IIRC, it turned out the hunter was misinformed by his guide that the animal was fair game. (And it’s always claimed that the tens of thousands of dollars paid for a license supports wildlife conservation. Though who knows where that money really goes?) But for a while, this guy was the most hated man in America.

 

[Chrystal-J]

They totally lost me with the nude advertising (and live events). It's just all too vulgar for me.

 

[April_Rose]

They totally lost me with the nude advertising (and live events). It's just all too vulgar for me.

Umm yeah,.. I don't even want to know lol

 

[keith99]

I used to have 2 dogs. I often refered to the as the puppies even when the older one was over 20. When we got him from the ASPCA he was skin and bones, and that was after they had fed him up enough to be adaptable. He filled out to 105 pounds lean weight. He was the alpha dog. His Beta (true beta, which means he asked for the Alpha's Ok before demolishing something) ended up at 120. While not actually telpathic they sure seemed that way.

I had a fantasy of some PETA fool coming by and saying dogs that were part of a family were abused. They would not have taken it well. Not well at all.

Dogs and cats get along quite well with humans, PETA representatives excepted.