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First Echelon said:
No, it is not valid. It starts from an atheistic basis. If you say you cannot prove the existence of God, you cannot disprove it either. Therefore this is starting from opinion and not fact. So you cannot take the conclusion to be fact. Unless of course you believe that God wrote it, but as this is an atheistic argument, you cannot.

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Are we not all blasphemers to some religion?
Of course we are. If not, we would be one world religion with no freedom to disagree. And I am happy to be a "blasphemer" of falsehood.

First Echelon said:
Everyone cannot always be right, but everyone can be wrong.
True. but I believe in God, and I believe God would teach what is right and make it available.

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It makes all too much sense and blind faith is what we are taught.
Maybe blind faith is what you are taught. Not me. My beliefs have been seriously questioned by myself. Only when they can pass the mental interrogation do I believe them.

Utopia Philosophy said:
What is the one true religion? Whichever religion is selected, all the other religions believe that religion is wrong.
Here there is an "either/or" statement. It makes no distinction of "how wrong." For instance, all religions believe in the divine. So they are all not 100% wrong. In Christianity, there are lots of denominations, with differing beliefs. I believe mine is 100% right (or else I would not be Catholic) but it does not mean that Protestants are 100% wrong. I think they are very close to the fullness of truth, but not all the way. And I am sure a Protestant would have the same opinion about Catholicism.

Utopia Philosophy said:
Therefore, the only universal agreement among all religions, is that they do not believe in each other.
Wrong. See above.

Utopia Philosophy said:
Subsequently, all religions agree with atheists, except when it comes to their own religion.
How do all religions agree with atheists? All religions believe in the divine - that is the fundamental basis of religion. Atheists do not. So they are fundamentally in disagreement.

Utopia Philosophy said:
Since there are over 3,000 different faith groups around the world, each religious person is 99.97% atheist toward Humanity's religions.
This makes absolutely no sense. You cannot be any percentage atheist. You either believe in the divine or you do not. THIS is an either/or distinction.

Utopia Philosophy said:
Since the truth of Humanity’s creation is simply that humans are one of the infinite combinations in the infinity of the third dimension,
Random chaotic evolution is not a fact. This is the starting point I discussed above.


Utopia Philosophy said:
it must also be true that all religions, which all allege creation of man by a superior being, are based on a falsehood.
Obviously, if you do not believe in God. This is no proof however, as I said above.

Utopia Philosophy said:
Religion is a crutch which can be easy for an individual to lean on when life becomes tough,
I think that atheism is a crutch for people who do not want a sense of accountability, do not like the idea of a superior Judge.

Utopia Philosophy said:
but as a falsehood will not truly support Humanity as evidenced by the multitude of problems, pains, and sufferings which continue to plague earth, even though religion has been in existence for a long, long, time.
Religion never claims to erase earthly problems. It accepts them. The statement that all religion is false because people go through pain and suffering is totally absurd. Because my parents get divorced, every religion is wrong? Ridiculous. This is, as the title tells, the view of one who wishes to live in a Utopia. A "No-Place." It will never happen on earth, run by humans. It is the attitude of one who wants heaven on earth rather than heaven in heaven. It is also indicative of one who has some sort of contact with one religion, doesn't like and/or understand it, and then concludes that all religions are worthless. What a blanket statement!!

I will not read any further, I do not want to get dumber. I appreciate a good logical argument but this guy has broken so many rules already it is worthless to pursue.
 
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First Echelon said:
http://users.erols.com/jonwill/utopiabook.htm

Is this not valid? Are we not all blasphemers to some religion?
Everyone cannot always be right, but everyone can be wrong.
It makes all too much sense and blind faith is what we are taught.
yup. right-o. blind faith is insane, IMO.. I don't believe out of blind faith, my belifs stem from observances in my life. many christians do believe strictly on blind faith, are proud of it, and still argue to the death. It astounds me.
 
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SqueezetheShaman said:
yup. right-o. blind faith is insane, IMO.. I don't believe out of blind faith, my belifs stem from observances in my life. many christians do believe strictly on blind faith, are proud of it, and still argue to the death. It astounds me.
Please define "blind faith." I've heard many definitions of it and I'm curious as to what you mean by it.
 
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