Personally

[Gods4me]

I dont think any one who hasnt been in a sisuation where the would have an "unwanted" or "mistake" pregnancy you dont have a clue what you go throught.
i got pregnant young i always said i dissagre with abortions total agains them but i will be honest every single day untill i got by the stage when its to late to have an abortion i though seriosly about having one. but i didnt and My son is the best thing in my life.
I will no longer say i am for or agaist abortion because of what i went through. I would not like to see any one get one. i would rather see them have support from the father or family (and put the child up for adoption if they really didnt want them loads of people want to adopt babys) but i can total understand how they would feel.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

But does that make it right? We've all been tempted as Christians, have we not? It is not as if our sin is less than that of abortion. Surely you understand why we fight this, right?

 

[Trashionista]

But does that make it right?

There's a point when practicality has to override religion.

I dont think any one who hasnt been in a sisuation where the would have an "unwanted" or "mistake" pregnancy you dont have a clue what you go throught.

I'd agree with this.

To add to that, until one is actually in the situation to make that decision [one which I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy], it would behoove us all to resist judgement of that person or of that act.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

There's a point when practicality has to override religion.

If that is what you see it as, it'd be best to get out, because you'll only die.

To add to that, until one is actually in the situation to make that decision [one which I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy], it would behoove us all to resist judgement of that person or of that act.

As I've said, we all have been tempted. If it's right, it shouldn't weigh on your conscience. (But I suppose that is our fault.)

 

[Trashionista]

If that is what you see it as, it'd be best to get out, because you'll only die.

No. Life as is isn't that horrible for suicide to be the only answer.
There are instances where abortion can be or seem like the only logical solution though.

As I've said, we all have been tempted. If it's right, it shouldn't weigh on your conscience. (But I suppose that is our fault.)

I haven't had an abortion, nor have I had an unwanted pregnancy as of yet.
So, I really am in no position to tell a woman not to get one.

Therefore, I'm not being hypocritical, nor do I have a guilty conscience if I can admit that I at least, passively support abortion as a choice for women.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

No. Life as is isn't that horrible for suicide to be the only answer.
There are instances where abortion can be or seem like the only logical solution though.

Not quite what I meant.

I haven't had an abortion, nor have I had an unwanted pregnancy as of yet.
So, I really am in no position to tell a woman not to get one.

Therefore, I'm not being hypocritical, nor do I have a guilty conscience if I can admit that I at least, passively support abortion as a choice for women.

Understood. You're following your own code, and not being a hypocrite is good. But I do not follow that code, so I cannot be a hypocrite by passively supporting it when I know it to be wrong.

 

[Gods4me]

But does that make it right? We've all been tempted as Christians, have we not? It is not as if our sin is less than that of abortion. Surely you understand why we fight this, right?

what are you trying to say? are you saying because some one is tempted to have an abortion thats the same sin as actually having one?

 

[Apollo Celestio]

No. I'm saying that temptation leads to sin, and we've all been tempted. Sin is bad, no matter it be abortion or stealing. Saying I don't have a clue does not make it right.

 

[Gods4me]

your a guy. you will never know what its like to be pregnant never mind and "unwanted" one. im not say abortion is right or wrong im saying you dont know what goes through a pregnant girls head.

 

[brightmorningstar]

To Quirk,

There's a point when practicality has to override religion.

Its practical not to have an abortion and its practical to educate people to know that sex leads to conception and conception should be within a faithful marriage. The fact that that is so alien to ears in western society just goes to show how unpractical society has become with its objection to religious views.

To add to that, until one is actually in the situation to make that decision [one which I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy], it would behoove us all to resist judgement of that person or of that act.

Well mistakes can happen and as Christians we must always forgive, what we are doing is attacking the nonsense thinking that leads to an avalanche of abortions including mistakes.

 

[Trashionista]

To Quirk,
Its practical not to have an abortion and its practical to educate people to know that sex leads to conception and conception should be within a faithful marriage.

And now, I shall given you an example.

Woman marries at 24 - median or close enough to the median age.
Gets on the Pill.
Therefore, eliminating use of or the need for condoms.
At 27, has first kid.
At 29, has her second kid.
So, assuming they've got a boy and a girl, they've got a lovely model family.
45 rolls around, and kids are now 18 and 16.
One is moving to go to school, 16 year old is just finishing up high school, and both are less dependant upon the parents.
But sex doesn't stop in one's 40s.
However, once 40 rolls around, it is not reccomended to use the Pill.
The mensturation cycle is hay-wire due to onset or the beginning stages of menopause.

However, being pre-menopausal doesn't mean the woman can't conceive.
After 21 years of condomless sex, why would the husband be thrilled to use condoms?
Furthermore, NFP may not be a reality, due to the fact that the cycle isn't following a set rythym.
So, one day, one of the few eggs left is released and the woman ovulates.
She couldn't have charted it, logically.
Husband [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] into wife.
Wife is pregnant.

If you've raised kids for 18 years, they're now entering early adulthood, why would you want to start all over with a new infant? At 45?

Besides Sarah Palin, I don't know how many woman would really be gung-ho to start all over and become a mother again at 45.

I don't think a young woman should be relying on abortion as a method of birth control, when the world is generally their oyster in terms of the availibility of contraceptives.

But clearly, there are times when abortion can be more pratical than deciding to become a mother.

The fact that that is so alien to ears in western society just goes to show how unpractical society has become with its objection to religious views.

No. Society is generally just thinking of the future, and not just the present.

Why would you want to enjoy Freedom 55 or the autumn years with a 10 year old trailing after you?

Well mistakes can happen and as Christians we must always forgive, what we are doing is attacking the nonsense thinking that leads to an avalanche of abortions including mistakes.

Mistake is over cooking pasta.

Pregnancy can be a disaster.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

your a guy. you will never know what its like to be pregnant never mind and "unwanted" one. im not say abortion is right or wrong im saying you dont know what goes through a pregnant girls head.

You're right. I am a man, but it doesn't take getting pregnant to know that abortion is murder, or to know that it is stressful when temptation to kill the kid comes about. I can only speculate what goes through their minds (and observe actions and hear reasons) but overall, that argument means nothing other than I can't get pregnant. It's barely relevant to the issue because being stressed out doesn't allow one to murder.

At above post, that's just being selfish. There are consequences for our actions, and I shouldn't have to tell that to someone 24 years older than me.

 

[Trashionista]

At above post, that's just being selfish. There are consequences for our actions, and I shouldn't have to tell that to someone 24 years older than me.

Knowing the consequences and actually living through those consequences are two very different things.

And not to continue on the "You're a man you can't get pregnant!" speech, but I'm going to go on something similar.

You will never have a period.
You will not go through menopause.
Therefore, expecting people to abstain from sex, when there is no set cycle when hormones are going haywire, is quite selfish as well.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

They don't have to abstain, especially if they're married. They even have a duty. But they can call God selfish not me, it's not my command that says "Do not murder."

 

[Trashionista]

They don't have to abstain, especially if they're married. They even have a duty. But they can call God selfish not me, it's not my command that says "Do not murder."

Ok, you missed the fact that the woman can't rely on contraceptives due to the fact that she's over 40.

So, you have a woman that can't rely on NFP, or contraception. And a woman and man who after 20+ years, probably don't want to use condoms.

What other method is there to avoid pregnancy then? Besides abstinence, a vasectomy or a tubal ligation?

 

[Apollo Celestio]

In the end, I see it as sin and you don't. For you it's convenience, for me, it is murder. They should just know they're taking a risk. Perhaps this is a question for older Christian couples I would ask, because it's a time of life I don't understand yet.

 

[Gods4me]

i dont agree with either of you.
quirk
some one who is married no mater how long they have been married shouldnot get an abortion. its just being selfish your story. abotion should only be allowed (if allowed at all) to people who are not married. or rape victims. thos who get pregnat when married its not a mistake its a surprise. (and there is no age limit on contaception)

ishida
see a thing which i said in my first story. i thought i knew how i would feel if i got pregnant. i thought id just not get an abortion. be worrie about the life changeing thing but i never thought that i would feel as crap as i did. im not descibing it very well but really it is one of these thing u just dont understan till your in the posistion.

im not saying that i think abortion is right. i agree that it is terrible to kill an unborn child. all i am saying is i understand why people would feel its the only way out.

there are certain things in life that you just ont unerstand till you in the posistion. like if your in a abusive reationship youd think "id leave the first time they hit me" but yet so many people stay in the reationship.. (o you get what i mean...)

 

[Gods4me]

Ok, you missed the fact that the woman can't rely on contraceptives due to the fact that she's over 40.

So, you have a woman that can't rely on NFP, or contraception. And a woman and man who after 20+ years, probably don't want to use condoms.

What other method is there to avoid pregnancy then? Besides abstinence, a vasectomy or a tubal ligation?

you can get contaception over 40. if she doesnt want any more chilren then she should have had a vasectomy etc.

 

[Apollo Celestio]

I see what you mean, and I understand that I can never experience that specific situation. I can understand, but other than that, what is the point? I don't condemn people in their states, but I can't tell them lies about their decisions either. What would you have me do? Just not have an opinion when I can't help but have one?

 

[Trashionista]

quirk
some one who is married no mater how long they have been married shouldnot get an abortion.

It's not just about being married awhile though.
Maybe the sex part, yes. But pregnancy is different.

If you have your ducks in a row for retirement, and you're going to paying for a 18 year old to go to college, and eventually a 16 year old, why would starting all over and spending money on diapers, baby food, and all the other expenses once again?

It's one thing if you want 3 kids, but if you've got the two who are now adults, what is the motivation to raise another kid to 18? Who wants to be 65 when their kid is graduating from high school?

With the notable exception of Gov. Palin, it's not really the course the average person wants to take.

its just being selfish your story.

TBH, if someone's raised two well-adjusted kids, and wants to enjoy their later life, I'm not going to begrudge them for that. I think they've earned that right.

abotion should only be allowed (if allowed at all) to people who are not married.

What if you're married, but in an abusive relationship? Absolutes such as "for only single women!" are always dangerous.

For example, I'm in no place to get married anytime soon. But assuming I was married. Does that mean I should be having a baby right now?

Honestly, I could not be a mother right now. Regardless of whether I had a ring on my finger or not.

or rape victims.

I think most people can get behind that scenario, generally speaking.

thos who get pregnat when married its not a mistake its a surprise.

Not always.

(and there is no age limit on contaception)

I think I made that quite clear in the scenario I brought up.

Though I think you missed the point I made about early menopause, so there is a point when a woman cannot conceive.

Finally, there is an age limit on contraception. I've heard quite clearly in those lovely Yaz commercials, that if I'm over 40 or a smoker, I'm not a candidate for the Pill and for the Patch, if the ads for it in Cosmo are any indication.

And if your hormones are all out of whack from menopause or the woman is pre-menopausal, I'd be amazed that either woman would be thrilled to get on something like the IUD. If it's even generally reccomended at such points.