Personally conservative but tolerant

[His Disciple]

However I am very tolerant, or at least try to be, of other peoples lives. I believe that LGBT people have absolutely every right to legal marriage

You want the government promoting immorality and sin, and you want Christian punished for refusing to support immorality and sin. That's not tolerance. That's not Christian.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

You want the government promoting immorality and sin, and you want Christian punished for refusing to support immorality and sin. That's not tolerance. That's not Christian.

For the government to recognize homosexual marriages is NOT promoting immorality. It is tolerating and regulating immorality.

 

[His Disciple]

For the government to recognize homosexual marriages is NOT promoting immorality. It is tolerating and regulating immorality.

The government recognizing sodomite marriage is a stamp of moral legitimacy. Further, the real purpose of sodomite marriage is to provide a foundation for anti-discrimination laws, to punish people who don't wish to contribute to sodomite immorality.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

I don't see any reason to except the judgments of other human being as to the strength of your faith. They were where you were when God set down the foundations of the world. they hold no power over you that you don't relinquish to them.

Christianity is what Christ brought about and those who claim to be Christian are just as dependent on what he thinks about them as you. Christ said the path would be small and you never know wither it is too small for those who sneer at you to see clearly above and beyond what they see in themselves.

Listen to your heart and let your conscience guide you. It is a better judge of you than those who are addicted to the ideal of them being a Christian than being a servant of our lord.

 

[Carnegie]

So I just posted a response to a thread in the liberal forum, but I thought I'd share this here, since some of you might be in the same boat. I am a Christian (Catholic/Anglo Catholic) who lives an almost fundamentalist personal life (rarely drink, don't swear, dress modestly, ect.) However I am very tolerant, or at least try to be, of other peoples lives. I believe that LGBT people have absolutely every right to legal marriage, that social welfare and caring for the poor is vital, and although I am pro-life, I understand abortion is a complex issue.
My dilemma is: conservative Chritians see me as not being serious about my faith, and frankly sometimes their intolerance can make me uncomfortable. Where as liberals are frightened of me because I can come off as conservative

I can understand this. Sometimes I feel the same way about myself.

I'm reluctant to express any views on homosexuality, although I'm finding those views to be developing in a more conservative direction in alignment with the Church. While there might be 1-2 situations that I would accept a person having an abortion, I prefer a universally pro-life stance for myself.

That all being said, I refrain from passing judgment on the LGBTQ community or anyone who has had an abortion or is considering getting one. I just feel as though I'm usurping God's throne if I try to pass judgment on anybody.

If I were to candidly share all aspects of my views with anybody, I suppose I would receive much of the same reaction as you.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

The government recognizing sodomite marriage is a stamp of moral legitimacy. Further, the real purpose of sodomite marriage is to provide a foundation for anti-discrimination laws, to punish people who don't wish to contribute to sodomite immorality.

I think its more about getting equal rights such as hospital visitation as family and being able to file joint tax returns.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Oops double post

 

[Izdaari Eristikon]

Nothing government does morally legitimizes anything. Government is an organized crime syndicate, and is no more an authority on morality that the Mafia or a Columbian drug cartel is. Government can tell you what's legal, not what's moral.

 

[JCFantasy23]

So I just posted a response to a thread in the liberal forum, but I thought I'd share this here, since some of you might be in the same boat. I am a Christian (Catholic/Anglo Catholic) who lives an almost fundamentalist personal life (rarely drink, don't swear, dress modestly, ect.) However I am very tolerant, or at least try to be, of other peoples lives. I believe that LGBT people have absolutely every right to legal marriage, that social welfare and caring for the poor is vital, and although I am pro-life, I understand abortion is a complex issue.
My dilemma is: conservative Chritians see me as not being serious about my faith, and frankly sometimes their intolerance can make me uncomfortable. Where as liberals are frightened of me because I can come off as conservative

That is because they're being judgmental or else basing notions off of narrow-box categories. Some people see things in clear black and white and just ignore that most of life is in another color entirely. The best we can all do is be ourselves and true to God, continuing to walk forward with the best intentions, learning and growing through the journey.

 

[Emmy]

Dear Zoe1188. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus gives us good advice. Jesus tells us: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it:
love thy neighbour as thyself." In verse 40 we are told: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." In Matthew 7: 7-10: we are told: " Ask and you shall receive." We ask for Love and Joy, then we thank God and share all love and joy with our neighbour. ( neighbour is all we know and meet, friends and not friends)
We keep asking and receiving, then thank God and share all love and joy with our neighbour. God will see our loving efforts, and God will bless us. We keep asking and receiving, then thank God and share all love and joy with our neighbour, and God will bless us. We might stumble and forget at times, but then we ask God to forgive us, and carry on loving and forgiving.
The Bible tells us: " Repent and be Born Again," we change from being selfish and unloving, to be loving and caring.
Love is very catching, and a Christian`s weapon is Love. With love we can change and overcome many things,
love will gradually change us into men and women which God wants us to become. I say this with love, Zoe.
Let us all try and change this imperfect world into a kind and loving world, and let the Holy Spirit help and guide us, and Jesus our Saviour lead us back to our Heavenly Father. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.

 

[Julie.S]

I personally was raised by two rather tolerant parents and I also am myself very tolerant. I went to a Quaker school that taught tolerance of all kinds and also non-violence. This has stuck with me all this time and I am now 24. I feel that this has made me a good person and people really seem to like being around me. I was raised Christian and I still am I just tolerate those who have different views or life styles and within reason of course.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Nothing government does morally legitimizes anything. Government is an organized crime syndicate, and is no more an authority on morality that the Mafia or a Columbian drug cartel is. Government can tell you what's legal, not what's moral.

That's not the biblical point of view.

Rom 13:1-5
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
NASU

 

[fullcircle]

That's not the biblical point of view.

Rom 13:1-5
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience' sake.
NASU

Yet, even Paul was put in prison for disobeying the authorities. Then in Acts 5:29 it says "Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!". Was Bonhoeffer wrong when he tried to assassinate Hitler? But we living in the United States have been blessed with freedom to vote our conscience and speak freely when we disagree with the way things are going. Things usually don't go the way I want politically but I agree with Emmy that as Christians, showing God's love to our neighbor is the way to change hearts.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Yet, even Paul was put in prison for disobeying the authorities. Then in Acts 5:29 it says "Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!". Was Bonhoeffer wrong when he tried to assassinate Hitler? But we living in the United States have been blessed with freedom to vote our conscience and speak freely when we disagree with the way things are going. Things usually don't go the way I want politically but I agree with Emmy that as Christians, showing God's love to our neighbor is the way to change hearts.

Most of us, including myself, are happy to consider the American Revolution that established our independance as a good thing. We celebrate July the 4th, the anniversary of the ultimate rejection of those in authority over our 13 states. But this is not the kind of thing that is normally the right thing to do. And how do we know the difference?

It is not right to look to the Bible for a set of legal rules that are the key to all morality. The Bible itself says we must rise above such.

2 Cor 3:6b
. . . . .for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
NASU