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Personal Jesus

Ada Lovelace

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I'm currently in the backseat of an Uber car stuck in horrendous traffic (but on a blissfully beautiful evening) and thought it would be interesting to ask for thoughts on the meaning of the song "Personal Jesus" from philosophical perspectives. I just danced to it in class this afternoon, and the lyrics are still bouncing around in my mind. What do you think it means to "reach out and touch faith"? I've read about the songwriter's inspiration (Elvis and Priscilla Presley!) but am more interested in your own interpretation of the song's meaning. It's sort of Nietzsche-esque to me....

This isn't the version of the song we danced to today, but I think the movie that has been paired with this remix has a provocative artistic narrative:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8onMJT7Os6g
 
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After reading the lyrics, it seems like it's almost certainly about the cheap hokey brand of faith shilled out by the televangelism of the 80s. It seems almost satirical. The line "reach out and touch faith" seems like it's a play on the old at&t commercial slogan "reach out and touch someone".
 
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Knowing that part of the inspiration for the song was from reading about Elvis and Priscilla and their relationship, and how she looked up to him ...

I think the song speaks to the idea that each person is looking for a personal "Jesus" in the sense that they are looking for almost a ... formula ... to be fulfilled in their life, and they want this done by another person. It may not be conscious, it may be an unconscious drive or motivation they aren't even aware of.

Perhaps they want to find a person who restores hope in mankind for them, or hope in themselves. Perhaps they want to find someone who can "prove them wrong" about their view of people. Perhaps they need someone they can hurt and harm, and that someone won't abandon them in the process. They'll survive, and even love them despite it. Someone they can crucify, so to speak. Sacrifice.

I knew a girl who needed this in her own life, for example. She came from a horrific family ... her father was a murderer, killed his own sibling. Yet, he also sought to protect his daughter at all costs, so long as she recognized his authority. She had a mixed view of him: a monster and hero, all rolled into one. When she finally fell in love in life ... the person she fell in love with, she wanted this person to *suffer*. She respected the guy, he was the first person she fell in love with like that, opened up too ... yet she needed to know that he could suffer, and withstand her emotional blows and pent up fears and anger. So she eventually could only feel loved, if they were apart. It gave meaning to her life, to know that he was hurting and in pain, for HER. Arguably, she wanted to take her anger and fear out on her father, and family that tolerated them. But deep down, she viewed them as weak and ignorant. Taking out all the twisted knots in her life onto them wouldn't accomplish anything, because they were "guilty" in her eyes, and she knew better. In her eyes, it was loving to tolerate them because they were weaker. So instead of unleashing that darkness on the guilty ... she wanted to do it on someone she trusted and loved. Someone whom it would actually matter to her, and they them. Someone who in the end, would understand why she did it all, and let her hurt them. Someone for whom it counted. So in some ways, she sought someone to sacrifice to give her peace. I very much saw her as essentially needing her "own personal Jesus." Someone whom she could harm, and take out her need for justice, her fears and anger ... yet whom she trusted and loved nonetheless. A very specific role for her, sort of balancing out a formula in her life that was there. She didn't even know it was there until she met him and loved him, and it became apparent. She found peace, by "crucifying" the one she loved. Her own personal Jesus.

That example is a bit complex, as the average person may not need their own "Jesus" for the same reasons. But I think it's probably more common than we realize, the need and desire to find another person who fulfills a need in our life but in a way that involves things typically ascribed to Jesus ... not just our desire to be accepted, at home with another person, loved, but sometimes our need to find emotional and mental justice, someone to redeem life for us and give it meaning, someone to mentor us and show us truths and surprise us in ways we couldn't have predicted, etc.
 
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I don't think the above two posts are mutually exclusive.

The promise of the "quick-fix" Jesus peddled by televangelists (and many others), or any quick-help "idol" (as much as the word may apply). The "Jesus" of the televangelist is a ready-made miracle cure-all snake oil. Though one can find their own "personal Jesus" not just in this "Jesus" but in any number of things, latching upon something, an idea, a person, a religion, philosophy, anything with the idea of it being our magical make-everything-right pill. "Jesus" is certainly a good way to sell that sort of thing though, as anyone with access to cable television on any given Sunday morning can attest to.

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I don't think the above two posts are mutually exclusive.

The promise of the "quick-fix" Jesus peddled by televangelists (and many others), or any quick-help "idol" (as much as the word may apply). The "Jesus" of the televangelist is a ready-made miracle cure-all snake oil. Though one can find their own "personal Jesus" not just in this "Jesus" but in any number of things, latching upon something, an idea, a person, a religion, philosophy, anything with the idea of it being our magical make-everything-right pill. "Jesus" is certainly a good way to sell that sort of thing though, as anyone with access to cable television on any given Sunday morning can attest to.

-CryptoLutheran

I think, this is true. I think, the song, is about a void, maybe. Finding ways, to fill, the void.

I'm currently in the backseat of an Uber car stuck in horrendous traffic (but on a blissfully beautiful evening) and thought it would be interesting to ask for thoughts on the meaning of the song "Personal Jesus" from philosophical perspectives. I just danced to it in class this afternoon, and the lyrics are still bouncing around in my mind. What do you think it means to "reach out and touch faith"? I've read about the songwriter's inspiration (Elvis and Priscilla Presley!) but am more interested in your own interpretation of the song's meaning. It's sort of Nietzsche-esque to me....

This isn't the version of the song we danced to today, but I think the movie that has been paired with this remix has a provocative artistic narrative:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8onMJT7Os6g


What is, an Uber car? :confused:

I do not like, the remix, of that song, so much. You made a comment, about the Salam witch trails, in another writing. The video, to me, it was about people, who are self-righteous. False science beliefs, also. They persecute, this girl. I think, they thought, if she floats, that means, she is a witch?

What dance, did you do, to this song? I looked, on YouTube, the first video, it was of a line dance!
 
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What is, an Uber car? :confused:

It's similar to a taxi service but you arrange for your ride through an app on your phone.


What dance, did you do, to this song? I looked, on YouTube, the first video, it was of a line dance!

I've never experimented with line dancing, but I can see why the rhythm of Personal Jesus would really compliment it.

I'd had a video of our choreography but am removing it for privacy reasons.
 
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I'm currently in the backseat of an Uber car stuck in horrendous traffic (but on a blissfully beautiful evening) and thought it would be interesting to ask for thoughts on the meaning of the song "Personal Jesus" from philosophical perspectives. I just danced to it in class this afternoon, and the lyrics are still bouncing around in my mind. What do you think it means to "reach out and touch faith"? I've read about the songwriter's inspiration (Elvis and Priscilla Presley!) but am more interested in your own interpretation of the song's meaning. It's sort of Nietzsche-esque to me....

This isn't the version of the song we danced to today, but I think the movie that has been paired with this remix has a provocative artistic narrative:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8onMJT7Os6g

The Johnny Cash song? OK song, terrible theology.
 
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