Perry Stone

[nephilimiyr]

From his website I gather that he is a prophecy “scholar.” (I am really getting out of touch with the new roster of telepreachers.)

Whether he has a real handle on end time prophecies, who knows? Time will tell. The thing to do IMO is to jot down his predictions and see if they come to pass. If they don’t, I wouldn’t listen to anything else he said.

I have done this with Hal Lindsey, John Hagee, and others who major in speculative predictions. I figure if they are wrong ‘here’, they may be wrong ‘there’, as well.

The thing about Perry Stone is that he does not predict the future. He gives prophetic insight for the now, not for tomorrow. Therefore there is no way to test whether his prophecies will come true because he doesn't make any.

 

[nephilimiyr]

what troubles me is that 2/3 of his time on TBN is used to sell his stuff ;
and 1/3 to convey his message ...

if the word is as important as he says , then give us what God gave you ,
it is his word , his children , and his name ...

that in due season , God will take care of his needs ... mt 6.33

What? do you think God will just create the money for him to pay his ministry bills?

I see his show on the INSP network which I believe is the same show that he has on TBN, I can't think of any reason why they would be different. I've watched him religously for several months now and every show is the same. Out of every half hour he spends 20 minutes teaching on the subject and 5 minutes to "sell his stuff". The other 5 minutes to fill out the half hour isn't part of his show at all but ads for the INSP network.

 

[nephilimiyr]

They are worthy of thought, and as I have found with some of his teachings are way off base. He was describing the Tabernacle once with a little model of it and was talking about how the posts (there were 5) that held up the outer wall of the Tabernacle symbolized 5 churches in the book of Revelations.............yeah right.................

I bought the videos he made on that teaching and you could not be further from the truth. Where you came up with that is beyond me because he never even mentioned the book of Revelations? You may fool the people here but you can't fool me Andyman...I got the videos!

The five posts he says repressents the five fold ministry.
Ephesians 4:11, And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
From the talk in this thread I see most here want to strip half of those away.

 

[nephilimiyr]

I watch his program regularly as well as attend conferences where he is a speaker. I believe that he is very good regarding prophecy and he is not afraid to say that he was mistaken. So - he's not a prophet like Isaiah, but he is a prophecy scholar. I see the difference, even if some don't. And his insights are worthy of thought, if nothing else.

I see the difference too newlamb. The one thing I love about Perry Stone is that he often teaches on things that most scholars skip over and it always gives food for thought.

Why is there so much negativity regarding those on TV. I know that Jim had a bad experience, but I have heard much worse preaching in churches than what's on TV.

I have for a long time been without a church because of bad experiences, some of those experiences stems from the same negativity found in this thread!

 

[Izzy23]

Hi RB4580 ~ Ya know, I listen to Mr. Stone regularly. I like alot of what he says. There have been a few things that I don't agree with and of course, you have to listen to people carefully to make sure they are insync with the Word of God but overall, I would give him a 6.5 out of 10.

 

[Andyman_1970]

I bought the videos he made on that teaching and you could not be further from the truth. Where you came up with that is beyond me because he never even mentioned the book of Revelations? You may fool the people here but you can't fool me Andyman...I got the videos!

This was not a video this was on TBN last Saturday night (about 9'ish central time) and Perry had a map of the United States and was drawing parallels between the US and the Tabernacle and how they were the same...........again a stretch..............

Not to mention my aforementioned comments about his assertions regarding the Tabernacle and the meanings of the posts that held up the outer wall.

Those were the few times I have watched him and it was enough to let me know he has no clue regarding Judaism.........IMO

The five posts he says repressents the five fold ministry.
Ephesians 4:11, And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
From the talk in this thread I see most here want to strip half of those away.

I never said he wasn't a teacher (or those other things) IMO he's just not a good teacher.

 

[Suffolk Sean]

what troubles me is that 2/3 of his time on TBN is used to sell his stuff ;
and 1/3 to convey his message ...

if the word is as important as he says , then give us what God gave you ,
it is his word , his children , and his name ...

that in due season , God will take care of his needs ... mt 6.33

Ooo that reminds me of Bob Larson. I used to listen to his radio show and the spent the majority of his time begging for money and how he would have to go off the air if we didn't give. Utter nonsense.

In response to N's answer, I expect him to believe God, that is how I expect him to stay on the air.

 

[JimB]

Ooo that reminds me of Bob Larson. I used to listen to his radio show and the spent the majority of his time begging for money and how he would have to go off the air if we didn't give. Utter nonsense.

In response to N's answer, I expect him to believe God, that is how I expect him to stay on the air.

My take on this is - if God will not keep them on the air (w/o their begging, marketing, or gimmickry) then maybe He doesn’t want them on the air. Once they start pleading, selling, and defrauding they lose me, anyhow.

\o/

 

[nephilimiyr]

This was not a video this was on TBN last Saturday night (about 9'ish central time) and Perry had a map of the United States and was drawing parallels between the US and the Tabernacle and how they were the same...........again a stretch..............

That is a show I didn't get to see so I can't comment on that and in fact didn't comment on it. In fact in the post that I answered you never made mention of any assertions by him about parrallels between the US and the Tabernacle.

Not to mention my aforementioned comments about his assertions regarding the Tabernacle and the meanings of the posts that held up the outer wall.

What you wrote about Mr Stones assertions is what I had already proven you wrong about. And once again you did not in your original post mention anything about the outer posts but mention the 5 posts, there is a big difference. He simply does not teach that the 5 posts represents five of the seven churches in Rev. This is what you claimed he had said and I'm sorry but you just did not understand him correctly. Now, are you a man who never admitts to makeing a mistake or are you going to be honest and say perhaps you don't have a clue to what you're talking about when it comes to discussing what Perry Stone teaches. I've said this as nice as I possibly could.

I never said he wasn't a teacher (or those other things) IMO he's just not a good teacher.

Fine, that's your opinion but I have to tell you that you don't understand what he is saying, I know that for a fact.

 

[BarbB]

Thanks for the insight, nephilimyr! Good to see you again!

Perry has also been on Joe Van Koevering's show, God's News Behind the News. I went to their Prophecy Conference in March and it was VERY good. And he is a very good preacher when he gets started - I would love to hear him at one of his camp meetings! Plus he has a fantastic sense of humor.

 

[nephilimiyr]

Thanks for the insight, nephilimyr! Good to see you again!

Perry has also been on Joe Van Koevering's show, God's News Behind the News. I went to their Prophecy Conference in March and it was VERY good. And he is a very good preacher when he gets started - I would love to hear him at one of his camp meetings! Plus he has a fantastic sense of humor.

Yeah newlamb, good to see you around again!

You must get TBN, I don't, at least I never heard of those shows before. I love Perry Stone and must admit when I hear people call him a "wacko" among other things, I get a bit offended since I agree with most of what he teaches and preaches. It totally blew me away that he did a 2 show segment on the nephilim that followed right along with how I believe. He is the first tv evengelist that I ever heard on tv teach the true story. LOL, I guess that makes me a wacko for saying this stuf?

Perry does have a great sense of humor but the most times I laugh at him is when he trys to make a joke and it booms.

 

[Andyman_1970]

That is a show I didn't get to see so I can't comment on that and in fact didn't comment on it. In fact in the post that I answered you never made mention of any assertions by him about parrallels between the US and the Tabernacle.

With all due respect post #7 of this thread I mention this.

And once again you did not in your original post mention anything about the outer posts but mention the 5 posts, there is a big difference. He simply does not teach that the 5 posts represents five of the seven churches in Rev. This is what you claimed he had said and I'm sorry but you just did not understand him correctly.

It was over a year ago that I saw that show, and since I have slept since then and had a baby in that time, I could very well be mistaken. He did assert that the 5 post represent something in the NT, the tone was this was the purpose of the post to symbolized whatever it was in the NT. Regardless of what they symbolize to think that the post symbolize something the Jews at that time had no clue about is a stretch for me.

No disrespect to Mr. Stone, but there are 5 posts to represent the 5 books of Torah (that told the Jews how to make the Tabernacle), just like there are 5 knots on the tzitzit (tassels)on a Jewish prayer shawl, those 5 knots represent Torah, and the 4 spaces between the knots represent God's Name, YHWH. This is how God operates (at least from the Jewish perspective), He is constantly filling the world with reminders so we don't forget where we came from.

Maybe I'm off base, you seem to be familiar with his teaching, what does he say those post represent?

Now, are you a man who never admitts to makeing a mistake or are you going to be honest and say perhaps you don't have a clue to what you're talking about when it comes to discussing what Perry Stone teaches. I've said this as nice as I possibly could.

As I said above, I could and probably am mistaken on the exact wording on what Mr. Stone said the posts represent. Thanks for saying that as nice as you could, isn't that our job as followers of Jesus?

Fine, that's your opinion but I have to tell you that you don't understand what he is saying, I know that for a fact.

Ok, educate me then, help me understand and or clarify what Mr. Stone was saying.

 

[nephilimiyr]

With all due respect post #7 of this thread I mention this.

Hello andyman!

Ok, but I didn't answer post #7, I answered post #13. I can't answer post #7 because I didn't see the show you're talking about.

It was over a year ago that I saw that show, and since I have slept since then and had a baby in that time, I could very well be mistaken. He did assert that the 5 post represent something in the NT, the tone was this was the purpose of the post to symbolized whatever it was in the NT. Regardless of what they symbolize to think that the post symbolize something the Jews at that time had no clue about is a stretch for me.

I understand what you're saying and I'm just saying that, yes, since the time you last saw him teach this his teachings have gotten a little mixed up in your head because honestly what you say he said isn't what he said...I hope that made sense?

No disrespect to Mr. Stone, but there are 5 posts to represent the 5 books of Torah (that told the Jews how to make the Tabernacle), just like there are 5 knots on the tzitzit (tassels)on a Jewish prayer shawl, those 5 knots represent Torah, and the 4 spaces between the knots represent God's Name, YHWH. This is how God operates (at least from the Jewish perspective), He is constantly filling the world with reminders so we don't forget where we came from.

The main theme in which Perry Stone is trying to deliver in this teaching on the tabernacle is that the tabernacle was a prophetic picture of the comeing Christ and Gods plan for salvation. Mr Stone doesn't argue the 5 books of the Torah and how they are represented but mearly says there is a second hiden meaning to them as well. Mr Stone does glean most of his insight on this from Jewish tradition in what the materials used to build the tabernacle was supposed to represent. I have to say that what he says all makes perfect sense once you bring in the New Testament and have a knowledge of Jesus Christ. What he teaches on this isn't "wacko" or involes any kind of wierd theology but is mostly main stream.

Maybe I'm off base, you seem to be familiar with his teaching, what does he say those post represent?

Well I had already said that he says theyu represent the 5 fold ministry. The 5 posts are considered the gate or the door way into the outer court. Mr Stone says that in a spiritual sense they represent how we enter into the knowledge of God. In order to know God one of the members of these ministries had to have taught us something. It's either a pastor, a teacher, an evangelist, a prophet, or an apostle that has given us knowledge. This is what the 5 posts Mr Stone says they represent. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing "wacko" about that is there?

As I said above, I could and probably am mistaken on the exact wording on what Mr. Stone said the posts represent. Thanks for saying that as nice as you could, isn't that our job as followers of Jesus?

I counted to 10 and said a little prayer

Ok, educate me then, help me understand and or clarify what Mr. Stone was saying.

If you want me to write further on this I will but do you really want to explore this deeper? I can and will but if we do should we start a new thread? You let me know.

 

[Andyman_1970]

The main theme in which Perry Stone is trying to deliver in this teaching on the tabernacle is that the tabernacle was a prophetic picture of the comeing Christ and Gods plan for salvation. Mr Stone doesn't argue the 5 books of the Torah and how they are represented but mearly says there is a second hiden meaning to them as well. Mr Stone does glean most of his insight on this from Jewish tradition in what the materials used to build the tabernacle was supposed to represent. I have to say that what he says all makes perfect sense once you bring in the New Testament and have a knowledge of Jesus Christ. What he teaches on this isn't "wacko" or involes any kind of wierd theology but is mostly main stream.

I'll have to disagree with the prophetic picture of the Tabernacle, God's plan for salvation OT and NT has always been by grace, Jesus didn't start anything new...............I would be willing to wager that you and I diverge on this understanding, which is fine.............

Well I had already said that he says theyu represent the 5 fold ministry. The 5 posts are considered the gate or the door way into the outer court. Mr Stone says that in a spiritual sense they represent how we enter into the knowledge of God. In order to know God one of the members of these ministries had to have taught us something. It's either a pastor, a teacher, an evangelist, a prophet, or an apostle that has given us knowledge. This is what the 5 posts Mr Stone says they represent. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing "wacko" about that is there?

Since the only reference OT reference to Ephesians 4:11 is Psalms, which was written after the Torah.............so for me and the way I look at the Text (from the Hebrew perspective) this understanding is a stretch. But again it seems Mr. Stone is looking at the OT through the lens of the NT, where as I look at the NT through the lense of the OT, for me the NT is not nearly as much a "stand alone" document as the OT is, I believe to fully understand the NT it must be viewed in light of the OT. Again we can agree to disagree, which I'm sure we do.

If you want me to write further on this I will but do you really want to explore this deeper? I can and will but if we do should we start a new thread? You let me know.

That's entirely up to you...............

 

[nephilimiyr]

Again we can agree to disagree, which I'm sure we do.

And I will agree to disagree, what I wont do is call someone who I disagree with on this "a wacko".

That's entirely up to you...............

Since our beliefs are so far appart on this I don't really think it would be worth the trouble.

You are a christian, so am I, that's all that really matters.

God Bless!

 

[Andyman_1970]

You are a christian, so am I, that's all that really matters.

God Bless!

What an awesome way to deal with our differences............peace be with you my brother...........

 

[muffler dragon]

Dear Neph:

Please excuse me for this interjection, but I wanted to ask a sincere question. You state above,

The main theme in which Perry Stone is trying to deliver in this teaching on the tabernacle is that the tabernacle was a prophetic picture of the comeing Christ and Gods plan for salvation. Mr Stone doesn't argue the 5 books of the Torah and how they are represented but mearly says there is a second hiden meaning to them as well. Mr Stone does glean most of his insight on this from Jewish tradition in what the materials used to build the tabernacle was supposed to represent. I have to say that what he says all makes perfect sense once you bring in the New Testament and have a knowledge of Jesus Christ. What he teaches on this isn't "wacko" or involes any kind of wierd theology but is mostly main stream.

If Mr. Stone (who I have never even heard of) is lacking on Judaic insight regarding the Tabernacle, then how does it matter what he comes up with by incorporating the New Testament and Jesus?

I am not being cynical or sarcastic. I am sincerely asking, because unless you have a complete and contextual picture of something in Scripture; how can you come up with any conclusions that make sense?

It would be similar to pulling a portion out of the Tanakh where G-d commands that no living being be left alive, and saying that G-d promotes infanticide. Without the context, the perversion is immense.

I do broach this topic with caution, because I see that it arouses emotion in you. So, please understand that I am coming to you with arms raised and palms showing.

m.d.

 

[CelineDion]

I love Perry stone!!! Whoever started this thread i will warn you...the majority of people in every congregation on these forums HATE tv preachers. So it really isnt a smart choice to put a post about them. I agree he is awesome...but when you post things like that you open yourself up for hurt and i would hate to see you hurt.

 

[StevenL]

What do you mean by "he is awesome?"

 

[muffler dragon]

What do you mean by "he is awesome?"

I would assume that she meant this:

According to Merriam-Webster

One entry found for awesome.


Main Entry: awe·some
Pronunciation: 'o-s&m
Function: adjective
1 : expressive of awe <awesome tribute>
2 a : inspiring awe <an awesome task> b : TERRIFIC 2, 3; especially : EXTRAORDINARY



I could be mistaken though.