Perpetual virginity (not a hate thread)

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by prodromos OK, it finally finished downloading, I've listened to the part that was referred to and no, it does not answer my questions. He cites no Church Fathers or Synods in support of what he teaches. Thank you for wasting my time

John

Now that you listened to it, I don't have to waste mine

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

OK, it finally finished downloading, I've listened to the part that was referred to and no, it does not answer my questions. He cites no Church Fathers or Synods in support of what he teaches. Thank you for wasting my time

John

LOL. Sorry bro.

Aw come on, it wasn't a waste. Hey, he talks about some good stuff on there. AND, I proved to you that you CAN download mp3's

Well, you were a good sport: You gave it the old college try.

 

[Neriah]

Now that you listened to it, I don't have to waste mine

No you don't have to waste your time, you already know it.

I hope others will give it a chance.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

No you don't have to waste your time, you already know it.

I hope others will give it a chance.

Okay, I'm going to show you the treasure chest I found, where I got that mp3. Knock yourself out:
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/audio.htm

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Okay, I'm going to show you the treasure chest I found, where I got that mp3. Knock yourself out:
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/audio.htm

I could have used those years ago when I was in Apologetics with the atheists.....

 

[Neriah]

Okay, I'm going to show you the treasure chest I found, where I got that mp3. Knock yourself out:
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/audio.htm

A treasure chest????????
You hit the mother lode!



I pray others posting and lurking will take the time to listen to some of the things there.

 

[Musa80]

A treasure chest????????
You hit the mother lode!



I pray others posting and lurking will take the time to listen to some of the things there.

No kidding. There is enough audio material there to keep me busy for a while.

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

= Transparent plea to be the center of attention.

LOL

 

[Tu Es Petrus]

Attention EO's:

I found this webpage. See what you think:
http://www.cin.org/imconcep.html

 

[Rick Otto]

Couldn't PV co-exist with marital consumation?
It co-existed with birth.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Okay, I'm going to show you the treasure chest I found, where I got that mp3. Knock yourself out:
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/audio.htm

Thanks!

I will have to find time to go here.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Couldn't PV co-exist with marital consumation?
It co-existed with birth.

No.

Never before the last couple of centuries did anyone seriously believe they could question Mary's perpetual virginity or that she bore any one besides Jesus. That is modern thinking and not from Christianity of the first 1,800 years. With that in mind doesn't anyone else find the notion that Mary had other children as ridiculous because it rejects all of Christian heritage for that of men in the last 200 years?

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

No.

Never before the last couple of centuries did anyone seriously believe they could question Mary's perpetual virginity or that she bore any one besides Jesus. That is modern thinking and not from Christianity of the first 1,800 years. With that in mind doesn't anyone else find the notion that Mary had other children as ridiculous because it rejects all of Christian heritage for that of men in the last 200 years?

Friend,

1. Until recently, most thought the world was flat, too. Does that make it dogma that the world is flat?

2. I think you are confusing the dogma of "Mary Had No Sex Ever" (a position in 3 of the 35,000 denominations some Catholics think exist) with a nonexistent dogma of "Jesus Had No Sibs." The dogma is about sex, not sibs.



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[JacktheCatholic]

Friend,

1. Until recently, most thought the world was flat, too. Does that make it dogma that the world is flat?

2. I think you are confusing the dogma of "Mary Had No Sex Ever" (a position in 3 of the 35,000 denominations some Catholics think exist) with a nonexistent dogma of "Jesus Had No Sibs." The dogma is about sex, not sibs.



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Every child of God should know that Faith is not science. So the world is flat has not connection to this discussion.

Siblings? So Mary only gave birth to Jesus? If so then you are agreeing with 2,000 years of Christianity. If not then you are subscribing to theologies of men from the last 200 years.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

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Siblings? So Mary only gave birth to Jesus? If so then you are agreeing with 2,000 years of Christianity. If not then you are subscribing to theologies of men from the last 200 years.

Perhaps you've forgotten that there has NEVER been a dogma of Jesus Had No Sibs. Not in the RCC, not in the LDS, not ANYWHERE. The dogma being discussed here is the one that insists as a matter of highest importance and certainty that Mary Had No Sex Ever. The subject of this thread is sex, not sibs. Let's try to stay on topic, huh? This is about Mary and how often she had sex - if ever.



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[Tu Es Petrus]

Every child of God should know that Faith is not science. So the world is flat has not connection to this discussion.

Siblings? So Mary only gave birth to Jesus? If so then you are agreeing with 2,000 years of Christianity. If not then you are subscribing to theologies of men from the last 200 years.

Reps

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Perhaps you've forgotten that there has NEVER been a dogma of Jesus Had No Sibs. Not in the RCC, not in the LDS, not ANYWHERE. The dogma being discussed here is the one that insists as a matter of highest importance and certainty that Mary Had No Sex Ever. The subject of this thread is sex, not sibs. Let's try to stay on topic, huh? This is about Mary and how often she had sex - if ever.



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Friend and brother,

The only writing you will find in the first 1800 years of Christianity where Jesus is said to have siblings comes from the story About Joseph having been married before Mary and having children with his first wife. But because Joseph was so very old and because his wife had long since passed from the first life it was seen as perfectly acceptable for Joseph to take Mary's hand in marriage. In this account you will read where Joseph had a staff that grew a sprout like that of the High Priest in the OT and you will read about Mary's oath to always be a virgin.


Here is that story from the 4th century: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3007.htm and http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0805.htm

Let me know what you think.

 

[Rick Otto]

Perhaps you've forgotten that there has NEVER been a dogma of Jesus Had No Sibs. Not in the RCC, not in the LDS, not ANYWHERE. The dogma being discussed here is the one that insists as a matter of highest importance and certainty that Mary Had No Sex Ever. The subject of this thread is sex, not sibs. Let's try to stay on topic, huh? This is about Mary and how often she had sex - if ever.



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Is it realy, tho?
Isn't it about the state of her hymen?
If that survived birth untorn, surviving the consumation of her marriage & the birth of siblings is also possible.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Friend and bro,

The only writing you will find in the first 1800 years of Christianity where Jesus is said to have siblings comes from the story About Joseph having been married before marry and having children with his first wife. But because Joseph was so very old and because his wife had long since passed from the first life it was seen as perfectly acceptable for Joseph to take Mary's hand in marriage. In this account you will read where Joseph had a staff that grew a sprout like that of the High Priest in the OT and you will read about Mary's oath to always be a virgin.

Friend and bro,


There IS and never WAS any dogma of Jesus Had No Sibs.
Not in the RCC. Not anywhere.
Ever.

The Dogma under discussion here is one held in perhaps 3 denominations.
It is that Mary Had No Sex - Ever.
It's about sex.
Not sibs.




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[JacktheCatholic]

Is it realy, tho?
Isn't it about the state of her hymen?
If that survived birth untorn, surviving the consumation of her marriage & the birth of siblings is also possible.

The fact still remains that no man ever told the story that Mary had more children then Jesus from her womb until 200 years ago.

For me I want to avoid believe in man made theologies that do not fit with Christian beliefs and for this to happen the thology must fit with accepted teachings from the earliest of Christianity.

To say Mary gave birth to any person besides Jesus is to teach man made theologies from the last 2 centuries.