[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] When should we change our reasoning / beliefs?

[seekingsolace]

It really isn't a conscious choice of what we believe or don't believe. Rather, it is a culmination of acquiring and acknowledging information and evidence we deem credible and then letting the chips fall where our individual psyche will bring them to rest.

A saddening view.

 

[bhsmte]

A saddening view.

Realities do sadden some, yes.

 

[seekingsolace]

Realities do sadden some, yes.

yes, a closed box is an unhappy box.

 

[Chriliman]

Nope, we are all driven and motivated by the nature of our individual psyche. No way around that.

You already agreed with what was made simple back at post #333, right? So why continue?

 

[bhsmte]

yes, a closed box is an unhappy box.

What closed box?

 

[seekingsolace]

What closed box?

exactly.

 

[bhsmte]

You already agreed with what was made simple back at post #333, right? So why continue?

Do I need to get your approval before making a post?

 

[bhsmte]

exactly.

You referred to a closed box, can you explain which closed box you were referring to?

 

[Chriliman]

Do I need to get your approval before making a post?

Nope, but if we find a point of agreement it seems reasonable to stop the discussion until new information is introduced.

 

[anonymous person]

Nope, we are all driven and motivated by the nature of our individual psyche. No way around that.

So our individual psyche determines when our beliefs change. We have no choice in the matter.

Is this what you're saying?

 

[bhsmte]

Nope, but if we find a point of agreement it seems reasonable to stop the discussion until new information is introduced.

I don't base what I post, on what you may or may not find reasonable.

 

[bhsmte]

So our individual psyche determines when our beliefs change. We have no choice in the matter.

Is this what you're saying?

Our individual psyche is somewhat in the background (somewhat unconscious) in playing a role in how we view and apply meaning to information and evidence we are exposed to. When we accumulate this knowledge, we may appear to have a conscious choice in what we conclude, but much of the work in regards to what we will conclude, has already been filtered through our psyche, which isn't as much of a conscious undertaking. Everyone has their tipping point of changing tightly held beliefs and what the tipping point is, is unique to each person.

Just as, if your favorite color is blue, you can't make a choice today, to make your favorite color red, because you would only be fooling yourself. If you have a favorite team you follow and have your whole life, you can't decide today to change your rooting interests, to that team's arch rival.

Now granted, our individual psyche can change over the course of our lives, based on our life's experiences.

 

[anonymous person]

Our individual psyche is somewhat in the background (somewhat unconscious) in playing a role in how we view and apply meaning to information and evidence we are exposed to. When we accumulate this knowledge, we may appear to have a conscious choice in what we conclude, but much of the work in regards to what we will conclude, has already been filtered through our psyche, which isn't as much of a conscious undertaking. Everyone has their tipping point of changing tightly held beliefs and what the tipping point is, is unique to each person.

Just as, if your favorite color is blue, you can't make a choice today, to make your favorite color red, because you would only be fooling yourself. If you have a favorite team you follow and have your whole life, you can't decide today to change your rooting interests, to that team's arch rival.

Now granted, our individual psyche can change over the course of our lives, based on our life's experiences.

So there is only the appearance of choice. It is ultimately illusory. Our beliefs are formed as the result of how our brains are wired.

Does that about sum it up?

 

[bhsmte]

So there is only the appearance of choice. It is ultimately illusory. Our beliefs are formed as the result of how our brains are wired.

Does that about sum it up?

Not just how the brain is wired, but a blend of how the brain is wired and how life experiences shape our individual psyche.

I could say I have the choice to believe in a God or not and I have made that choice, but the reality is, coming to the conclusion I have, was not as simple as checking a box in belief or non belief, because a whole bunch led up to the box I check, that was filtered through the psyche.

 

[Chriliman]

So there is only the appearance of choice. It is ultimately illusory. Our beliefs are formed as the result of how our brains are wired.

Does that about sum it up?

Actually this would make sense, since God has chosen us, we have not chosen God.

Ephesians 1:4
"For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love"

So its interesting that he is correct, but he is just on the complete opposite side of truth.

I'd say we have no choice but to believe something, but we can choose to not assume truth. Atheists assume God does not exist, which is why they are so confused.

 

[bhsmte]

Actually this would make sense, since God has chosen us, we have not chosen God.

Ephesians 1:4
"For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love"

So its interesting that he is correct, but he is just on the complete opposite side of truth.

I'd say we have no choice but to believe something, but we can choose to not assume truth. Atheists assume God does not exist, which is why they are so confused.

You are in no position to determine what I assume, or do not assume. Claiming that you are, just shows your arrogance.

 

[Chriliman]

You are in no position to determine what I assume, or do not assume. Claiming that you are, just shows your arrogance.

I'm not being arrogant, I'm just observing what you're saying and comparing it to truth, which is the word of God.

 

[bhsmte]

I'm not being arrogant, I'm just observing what you're saying and comparing it to truth, which is the word of God.

You are claiming to know what I assume, which is arrogant.

 

[Chriliman]

You are claiming to know what I assume, which is arrogant.

But its clear you don't know if God exists or not and you claim you don't believe in God, but you also don't dis-believe in God, yet you live as if God does not exist, so logically you must assume He does not exist. There really is no other option.

 

[bhsmte]

But its clear you don't know if God exists or not and you claim you don't believe in God, but you also don't dis-believe in God, yet you live as if God does not exist, so logically you must assume He does not exist. There really is no other option.

Sure there is another option, besides using the term "assume" which tends to mean someone assumes something without applying much thought to it.

I simply have no reason to believe a God exists, based on a lack of evidence to show a God exists.

I would look up the definition of assume, which basically means to "take for granted". I DO NOT take for granted that there is a lack of evidence to convince me to believe in a God, because I have examined the available evidence and claims.