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Sorry, I am not sure I follow you. Do you mind rewording that?Using my words to help me understand, so are you saying that because of the desire for a personal salvation from a flawed material world that otherworldly rewards supersedes all other concerns?
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So none of the earth or cosmos are included?True: "If you have seen me (Jesus), you have seen the Father."
They are a mere image of the story that is being told (his-story). In the cyberspace analogy, that would mean that when the finite purpose is through, the power is shut off to the earth and the cosmos...and the creation (the image) from nothing, returns to nothing. The purpose of the creation was to rescue the good that God had created, from the rebellion that occurred against God. By drawing out the rebellious by their own vanity into a world created to appeal to their nature, the good could be saved, while the rebellious are eliminated. It's a trap...and a lifeboat, depending.So none of the earth or cosmos are included?
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How about today, now...how do you see the earth, matter and the cosmos and how do you see both God and man's place in it?They are a mere image of the story that is being told (his-story). In the cyberspace analogy, that would mean that when the finite purpose is through, the power is shut off to the earth and the cosmos...and the creation (the image) from nothing, returns to nothing. The purpose of the creation was to rescue the good that God had created, from the rebellion that occurred against God. By drawing out the rebellious by their own vanity into a world created to appeal to their nature, the good could be saved, while the rebellious are eliminated. It's a trap...and a lifeboat, depending.
They are a mere image of the story that is being told (his-story). In the cyberspace analogy, that would mean that when the finite purpose is through, the power is shut off to the earth and the cosmos...and the creation (the image) from nothing, returns to nothing. The purpose of the creation was to rescue the good that God had created, from the rebellion that occurred against God. By drawing out the rebellious by their own vanity into a world created to appeal to their nature, the good could be saved, while the rebellious are eliminated. It's a trap...and a lifeboat, depending.
Time is an illusion. "'Today' is the day of salvation." There is only one day, his day, his time, his story (history). Matter is energy (from God), from which the creation of time, space, and matter came into being. God has projected (as with light/energy) the imagery of his story, for the telling of it.How about today, now...how do you see the earth, matter and the cosmos and how do you see both God and man's place in it?
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Thanks for the clarification. From what I understand of your theology so far and where it fails my sniff test is how your otherworldly rewards overrides a commitment to this world. Your not alone in a focus of otherworldly rewards. But we see the negative results of that theology in the disconnect to the world that our society has. And that disconnect has birth a variety of environmental problems, from climate change to pollution of air, soul and water, from population growth and unbridled consumption to biodiversity loss. We don't care about the earth as we rape and trash it. We are in a unique world wide crisis, partly as a result of the theology of a personal salvation from a flawed material world into a heavenly realm. We are living for those after life rewards while the earth is being desecrated. As I said, that doesn't pass my sniff test.Time is an illusion. "'Today' is the day of salvation." There is only one day, his day, his time, his story (history). Matter is energy (from God), from which the creation of time, space, and matter came into being. God has projected (as with light/energy) the imagery of his story, for the telling of it.
Your day, your father's day, Jesus' day...they are the same day, but each its own, like parallel universes. Time is an illusion: We enter into our day in our own time, we exit in our own time, but we come into the timeless eternity of God simultaneously. History tells the story on a timeline...just as we often put something that is one matter, together from many pieces...even though it is only one thing. Collectively, all of our "times" have but one purpose: salvation, the rescue of the good of God's creation prior to rebellion. When the last soul is rescued, God will close the book on his story and unplug the power...after all, "It is finished" already.
As for God's place in the world: He sent his Christ (God in the flesh) to save the lost. His work is complete. Time and salvation, and the pages of the story, simply continue until the end of the story, until are who are his are saved.
The human mind is a faculty of thought that may come from an entity thatIn other words, not your mind. You must abandon your mind, the faculty of understanding, in order to "understand".
eudaimonia,
Mark
If I had seen Jesus, I would not be alive to tell it. Sometimes an entity poses as Jesus, they come in all shapes and forms.Please explain. Is that Scott's perspective?
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It should be noted that the greatest of stewards of the earth, are those who truly understand its complete value and its purpose. No one who is of God could do any harm to the earth, any more than they could or would do to themselves. This is self-preservation in its truest form. It then stands to reason that with less appreciated value, comes less care. Even the best of environmentalists who places a high value on our place in the universe, has not even touched the real value. With that greater vision then, comes a greater understanding of just where the universe fits in. If you can imagine, if we were to hold a celebration and convert our backyard into a magical place for a party...for a time...the earth would be comparable to the centerpiece of the celebration, within the comparable yard of our universe...but only for a time.Thanks for the clarification. From what I understand of your theology so far and where it fails my sniff test is how your otherworldly rewards overrides a commitment to this world. Your not alone in a focus of otherworldly rewards. But we see the negative results of that theology in the disconnect to the world that our society has. And that disconnect has birth a variety of environmental problems, from climate change to pollution of air, soul and water, from population growth and unbridled consumption to biodiversity loss. We don't care about the earth as we rape and trash it. We are in a unique world wide crisis, partly as a result of the theology of a personal salvation from a flawed material worlds into a heavenly realm. We are living for those after life rewards while the earth is being desecrated. As I said, that doesn't pass my sniff test.
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The human mind is a faculty of thought that may come from an entity that
lives in man kind.. And they think it is their thoughts.
Not so with the insight and revelations that comes straight from the Holy Spirit. People think their thoughts are theirs, they are not.
The bible tells us to take thoughts captive and for good reason.
madera
And the rest burn, for reasons beyond their control....
As for God's place in the world: He sent his Christ (God in the flesh) to save the lost. His work is complete. Time and salvation, and the pages of the story, simply continue until the end of the story, until all who are his are saved.
With the greater vision that I look through, as I look around at the desecration of the earth what I "see" are the results of a theology that is short on the celebration of the earth as otherworldly rewards overrides a commitment to this world.It should be noted that the greatest of stewards of the earth, are those who truly understand its complete value and its purpose. No one who is of God could do any harm to the earth, any more than they could or would do to themselves. This is self-preservation in its truest form. It then stands to reason that with less appreciated value, comes less care. Even the best of environmentalists who places a high value on our place in the universe, has not even touched the real value. With that greater vision then, comes a greater understanding of just where the universe fits in. If you can imagine, if we were to hold a celebration and convert our backyard into a magical place for a party...for a time...the earth would be comparable to the centerpiece of the celebration, within the comparable yard of our universe...but only for a time.
You show yourself. But your love is in vain. This world would be nothing if not for its purpose, which is temporal.With the greater vision that I look through, as I look around at the desecration of the earth what I "see" are the results of a theology that is short on the celebration of the earth as otherworldly rewards overrides a commitment to this world.
Indeed. It would seem that this Earth is the doormat to the [hypothetical] "next" world.With the greater vision that I look through, as I look around at the desecration of the earth what I "see" are the results of a theology that is short on the celebration of the earth as otherworldly rewards overrides a commitment to this world.
The human mind is a faculty of thought that may come from an entity that
lives in man kind.. And they think it is their thoughts.
Not so with the insight and revelations that comes straight from the Holy Spirit. People think their thoughts are theirs, they are not.
The bible tells us to take thoughts captive and for good reason.
madera
All it takes to be a leader of men, is blind faith from the followers. Wes Jesus such a man or sent by a god to start a new religion?If I had seen Jesus, I would not be alive to tell it. Sometimes an entity poses as Jesus, they come in all shapes and forms.
What ever its purpose, the earth is sacred ground because God is right in the middle of it. And we ought to treat it with the sacredness that it is. When we see the desecration of the earth, that tells me something isn't right. When I see millions lacking food, water, medical access and a roof over their heads, something's not right. When I see the planet so poisoned and polluted that people are dying because of it, somethings not right. When I see a theology so consumed with the afterword rewards that it neglects it's own home, which the Earth is, something's not right.You show yourself. But your love is in vain. This world would be nothing if not for its purpose, which is temporal.
What ever its purpose, the earth is sacred ground because God is right in the middle of it. And we ought to treat it with the sacredness that it is. When we see the desecration of the earth, that tells me something isn't right. When I see millions lacking food, water, medical access and a roof over their heads, something's not right. When I see the planet so poisoned and polluted that people are dying because of it, somethings not right. When I see a theology so consumed with the afterword rewards that it neglects it's own home, which the Earth is, something's not right.
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