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Atheism is not a set of beliefs, only one: Unbelief in god/s.If only atheists actually questioned each other. Some of you believe God is possible some believe God is not possible. Some believe in magic gnomes and fairies(always comparing these to God), still others believe in cosmic eggs and unknowable singularities. Why is their so much contradiction and confusion among atheist "beliefs"?
I question other Christians if their beliefs don't line up with what I believe a true Christian should believe and often times I learn something new from questioning. I don't question because I think I'm right about everything, but rather I question in an attempt to learn something either about them or about my own beliefs. Ultimately, the truth is simple for me, the truth is Jesus. Thankfully, I live in America where I can freely say that, but who knows that may change in the future, but for now I can freely proclaim my beliefs.
At least we can all agree, that hopefully that won't change.
God bless!
Atheism is not a set of beliefs, only one: Unbelief in god/s.
Based on what I've learned from talking to atheists, it is a set of a wide range of beliefs about the universe. Basically an atheist will believe anything as long as it's not God. Obviously, I think your missing the boat entirely, but I can't control what you believe, I can just give reasons for why I believe what I believe and so far no atheist has been able to give me any good reason to not believe in God.
Some atheists even go as far as to say they don't believe God exists, when they can't even prove this. How is that any different from me saying I believe in God, even though I can't prove it? It seems every disagreement in regards to life is centered around one concept and that concept is God. So either God exists or He doesn't, I think in time we'll either find out He does exist or.... <this represents nothing
You really, really have a strong need to pretend to know what others believe and why.
I'm not pretending. I can only know as much as is presented to me after asking questions and then using reason to determine what makes the most sense. Do you have a different way of gaining knowledge?
There is no such thing as an atheist belief system in the first place. Atheism is a position on a single issue, not a philosophy. I find most atheists to be just as irrational as theists in many of their beliefs. I don't know why anyone would expect there to be unanimity among a group of people who only share a lack of belief of gods. I do question atheists and have gotten into many heated debates with them.If only atheists actually questioned each other. Some of you believe God is possible some believe God is not possible. Some believe in magic gnomes and fairies(always comparing these to God), still others believe in cosmic eggs and unknowable singularities. Why is their so much contradiction and confusion among atheist "beliefs"?
I question other Christians if their beliefs don't line up with what I believe a true Christian should believe and often times I learn something new from questioning. I don't question because I think I'm right about everything, but rather I question in an attempt to learn something either about them or about my own beliefs. Ultimately, the truth is simple for me, the truth is Jesus. Thankfully, I live in America where I can freely say that, but who knows that may change in the future, but for now I can freely proclaim my beliefs.
At least we can all agree, that hopefully that won't change.
God bless!
Based on what I've learned from talking to atheists, it is a set of a wide range of beliefs about the universe.
Basically an atheist will believe anything as long as it's not God.
Some atheists even go as far as to say they don't believe God exists, when they can't even prove this.
It seems every disagreement in regards to life is centered around one concept and that concept is God.
Exactly: That´s all you can know about a person when hearing they are an atheist: They don´t believe in a God. That doesn´t make for a belief system.Basically an atheist will believe anything as long as it's not God.
I guess that´s why they say "believe" and not "know".Some atheists even go as far as to say they don't believe God exists, when they can't even prove this.
It´s not any different, and as far as I can tell nobody keeps you from saying it.How is that any different from me saying I believe in God, even though I can't prove it?
It only seems that way when you are a theist.It seems every disagreement in regards to life is centered around one concept and that concept is God.
So?So either God exists or He doesn't, I think in time we'll either find out He does exist or.... <this represents nothing
Your assuming I had an understanding of how my brain works, the very moment I became self aware. This is an unreasonable assumption.
You'll freely assume reality is true, but you refuse to assume basal assumptions could be false. Interesting...
According to your reasoning it would be just as reasonable to say "we have no choice but to assume we have senses", however, this does not makes sense because trusting something is not the same as assuming something. And our senses had to come first in order to make assumptions.
The first self aware humans did not, that's the problem.
The reasoning I'm using can touch on all matters and never contradict itself. This reasoning did not come from my brain, it came from God because God is the source of all knowledge.
The only thing you refuse to assume is that basal assumption could be false.
This is implying I came before reality.
I do not accept the notion that I create reality by assuming its there.
It's simple, God is trying to speak to you through me, all you have to do is listen. I pray that you'll open your heart and mind to the truth of God.
Just imagine that I were to tell you that the only reason that you are a Christian is out of fear of death, and if you only didn't fear non-existence you would see the truth that there is no God. What would be your internal reaction?
Quite the opposite is true for me. I don't fear death because I know I am saved by the blood of Jesus and through His resurrection I have been raised to live with God the Father for eternity.
Obviously, I'm not referring to fearing a "Christian death", but rather the sort of death that is a final stop to one's existence.
You do understand that, right? Why do you distort what I am saying? Out of fear, perhaps?
(Now contemplate your internal reaction at such armchair psychologizing.)
eudaimonia,
Mark
Quite the opposite is true for me. I don't fear death because I know I am saved by the blood of Jesus and through His resurrection I have been raised to live with God the Father for eternity.
What we should all fear at some point in our lives is eternal existence and the only way to fear eternal existence is to recognize that God has created you to be an eternal being.
The fear of God is the beginning of all wisdom and knowledge.
The point of this thread has been clearly made, by means of the thread itself.
True Scotsman you seem reasonable and you claim your philosophy is not based on assumptions. (Even though the only assumption you make is that God does not exist. I understand you disagree with this)
Eudaimonist, you seem reasonable except you can't see when you contradict yourself. I don't think you base your reasoning on assumptions either. Clarify if I'm wrong, I don't want to assume.
Quatona, I'm not certain, but based on your answers to my questions it seems you do not base your reasoning on assumptions. Again, clarify if I'm wrong.
DogmaHunter definitely bases his reasoning on assumptions.
HitchSlap definitely bases his reasoning on assumptions as well.
Bhsmte, I'm not sure about you because you don't answer questions very well.
Dlamberth, sorry but you just seem confused about God, I pray you find clarity in Jesus.
Madera23, you assumed I was not a true Christian from the beginning, which I don't appreciate, but I forgive you anyway
So, based on the above, I think it's pretty clear that we do have a problem at the bottom of reason. The problem is the question of whether we should base our reasoning on assumptions or observations. I believe we should not choose to make assumptions about life and the people in life, but rather we should just observe and ask questions and let the truth find us.
Sorry if you feel I've made unreasonable assumptions about your beliefs, I've really tried to be objective and ask honest questions, alas I'm only human. I'll continue to keep all of you in my prayers!
God bless!
Interesting...does the following make any sense to you?
To know there is no God one would have to know and experience all things, because God could be within an area that they do not know or in which they have not experienced.
To know there is no God, one would have to be in all places simultaneously because God could or have revealed Himself in a place where you are not (even to someone now, somewhere else). You would have to have known all and been everywhere during all of the past, the present, and in all possible futures in case God was revealing Himself when you were not.
Quite the opposite is true for me. I don't fear death because I know I am saved by the blood of Jesus and through His resurrection I have been raised to live with God the Father for eternity.
I thought you said you don't believe in non-existence? Another contradiction perhaps?
I do fear the pain of death(hopefully I won't experience too much pain), but I do not fear death itself because I know it has been rendered powerless by my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
This is only a problem if you pretend that knowledge requires 100% airtight certainty. But that's an impossible standard since humans aren't omniscient. And yet despite this, everyone will say they know lots of things and would find the idea that knowledge is impossible to be absurd. This points to a significant problem with the way you're using the word knowledge.
Same problem with knowing that there's just one God. Do you claim to know that monotheism is correct because you exist in all places simultaneously for all eternity? Or do you not assert that there is just one god?
When I claim I know something, I'm saying I believe it. Belief solves the problem of having to know everything.
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