expos4ever
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Well if you want the potential inmigrants to get by in their own country, you pay for it.
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Well if you want the potential inmigrants to get by in their own country, you pay for it.Certainly, but the other way around. Let those who are concerned about it and insist that it be corrected foot the bill for it. If it's your issue, you support it.
I think it is a legitimate analogy to make the point that asking only those of us who want to extend mercy to refugees pay for their support is not reasonable. I have no kids; does that I mean I don’t need to pay taxes for schools? Of course not.Please expo4ever -global warming and heads up "you know what" are off topic! We need solutions not sniping. You got any helpful ideas?
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"NOW??" With the exception of the last 2 centuries, that has been a normal part of human history everywhere.Not just to deal with the immediate, impending invasion of the USA but what to do about the world-wide mass migrations that have now become the norm.
Wait, what? If we want people to fix their own counters rather then form caravans of economic migrants and illegally enter ours we need to pay them to stay home?Well if you want the potential inmigrants to get by in their own country, you pay for it.
My post was not intended to be taken seriously. I was trying to parrot the strange (to me) reasoning of another poster.Wait, what? If we want people to fix their own counters rather then form caravans of economic migrants and illegally enter ours we need to pay them to stay home?
Ah. In that case I ask your pardon my tone from text plug in it on the fritz.My post was not intended to be taken seriously. I was trying to parrot the strange (to me) reasoning of another poster.
Certainly not. But the view you've expressed is not a matter of true or false. Better to ask, is it a prediction of a possibility or a prophecy of a certainty? The more people that think nothing can be done and therefore do nothing, the more of a possibility it becomes.
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This isn't my vision of sponsorship. My vision is to get them into the system of education and then employment, just like the system other Americans are in. Were you a shopkeeper in your old country? Let's help you figure out how to start a small business in the US. Were you a physician or a nurse or a midwife? Let's get you certified to practice medicine in the US. Were you a handyman or a carpenter? Let's find you construction work here. Can you cook? Let's look at the jobs in local restaurants. They're people, with their own individual skills, just like Americans are people. They may not know English, and they probably don't know American law or have American certifications, so American sponsors can help with those things. But there's no reason to envision them as permanently unemployed.I could be wrong, but to me sponsorship amounts to getting these people into the system. Helping them until they jump through the government hoops and are able to receive public assistance. I propose no assistance at all. If someone wants to sponsor an immigrant that is alright, but that sponsorship should mean they are a permanent dependent until they are able to support themselves-if ever. And whatever care or support that they cannot provide for themselves, the bill goes to the sponsor-forever.
Well if you want the potential inmigrants to get by in their own country, you pay for it.
Certainly, but the other way around. Let those who are concerned about it and insist that it be corrected foot the bill for it. If it's your issue, you support it.
So imagine you're the USA's president, or someone rich enough, or powerful enough to make things happen. What would you do? Not just to deal with the immediate, impending invasion of the USA but what to do about the world-wide mass migrations that have now become the norm.
A river of people: The migrant caravan in pictures
I'm not interested in your politics. What I'd like to hear about are possible solutions.
Ideas that go beyond the binary, Keep 'em out!/ Let 'em in!
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This isn't my vision of sponsorship. My vision is to get them into the system of education and then employment, just like the system other Americans are in. Were you a shopkeeper in your old country? Let's help you figure out how to start a small business in the US. Were you a physician or a nurse or a midwife? Let's get you certified to practice medicine in the US. Were you a handyman or a carpenter? Let's find you construction work here. Can you cook? Let's look at the jobs in local restaurants. They're people, with their own individual skills, just like Americans are people. They may not know English, and they probably don't know American law or have American certifications, so American sponsors can help with those things. But there's no reason to envision them as permanently unemployed.
That's not what I'm talking about. Don't you remember when American churches and other groups sponsored immigrant families at the end of the Vietnam war? I'm talking about doing something like that again. I'd prefer that it be easier for immigrants to enter legally (like the Vietnamese immigrants did), so that no one has to hide, and so that slavers can't take advantage of them.I'm not sure what images come to mind when the media calls the people who harbor illegals in this nation "sponsors"....but the image that should come to mind is "modern day slaver".
That's not what I'm talking about. Don't you remember when American churches and other groups sponsored immigrant families at the end of the Vietnam war? I'm talking about doing something like that again. I'd prefer that it be easier for immigrants to enter legally (like the Vietnamese immigrants did), so that no one has to hide, and so that slavers can't take advantage of them.
Do you see this hand? Imaginary wall. Deal with it Trump. Love your neighbours.
We don't need uncle sam's cabin to know what were doing tho. Trumps a Samaritan.Trump loves Canadians.Mexicans...not so much.
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