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This is all over the place. Please narrow it down to either the US specifically, or worldwide generally.So imagine you're the USA's president, or someone rich enough, or powerful enough to make things happen. What would you do? Not just to deal with the immediate, impending invasion of the USA but what to do about the world-wide mass migrations that have now become the norm.
A river of people: The migrant caravan in pictures
I'm not interested in your politics. What I'd like to hear about are possible solutions.
Ideas that go beyond the binary, Keep 'em out!/ Let 'em in!
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Sure it would be a challenge. But isn't that part and parcel of the american pyche, rising to a challenge?
Just quickly googled Honduras, lots of natural resources, lots of potential. A population of nine million, who if governed intelligently, honestly and compassionately would be a great asset to any nation. To my mind it would be a project much more worthwhile trying for with much more potential gain (and less expensive) than colonising the moon or mars.
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gtaw, No we don't have to do any thing, we can just watch 'em rot and wait our turn. But we should try to do something because they are fellow human beings. Don't you think one of the main driving forces in those people trying to get to the promised land is that desire to 'help themselves'?Why do we have to do anything if people aren't willing to help themselves?
Hi TheBear - At the moment I don't see why the thread can handle different posts about the US specifically and worldwide generally. But if it gets too muddled I'll think about 'narrowing down'. ><>This is all over the place. Please narrow it down to either the US specifically, or worldwide generally.
As someone living in one of the original 'donor countries', I thought that this has already happened? A few hundred years ago? The various original Native American tribes lost most of their land, and their descendent form a very small percentage of the current population.If the OP's question has to be asked, in the face of the obvious solution, we are certainly doomed to lose our country to the invading hordes.
Hi TheBear - At the moment I don't see why the thread can handle different posts about the US specifically and worldwide generally. But if it gets too muddled I'll think about 'narrowing down'. ><>
Sure it would be a challenge. But isn't that part and parcel of the american pyche, rising to a challenge?
Just quickly googled Honduras, lots of natural resources, lots of potential.
population of nine million, who if governed intelligently, honestly and compassionately would be a great asset to any nation.
To my mind it would be a project much more worthwhile trying for with much more potential gain (and less expensive) than colonising the moon or mars.
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Dt, if I'm understanding you right, you think that Donne's poem isn't saying anything of substance.
by 'nation building' you're thinking of Iraq, sure I understand, once bitten twice shy. But the parallels are not the same and don't think that for those in charge of the Iraq project 'nation building' was ever the goal.
Anyway, you don't like the idea, that's ok.
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Ok Dt, thanks, that's a do-able (difficult but do-able) idea. It would take time for the effect to work through and in the medium term you will still have a mass of people pushing for the promised land. Also of course it does nothing to solve the root causes - bad government -> unemployment -> poverty -> human misery in the home countries.
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gtaw, No we don't have to do any thing, we can just watch 'em rot and wait our turn. But we should try to do something because they are fellow human beings. Don't you think one of the main driving forces in those people trying to get to the promised land is that desire to 'help themselves'?
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You don't know how to solve those problems ....and neither does anyone else. Nations like Guatemala are tiny...and they have millions of people.
Crops are failing due to global warming, and since they're mainly an agricultural nation...they have no jobs. 1 out of 4 kids are starving...and only 4 out of 10 adults are gainfully employed. They only recently got out of a 30 year civil war and they'll be heading right back into one.
That's just one nation....when you look at all the failing states, one thing is clear, there's no fixing them.
They're doomed.
It takes very little to stir up "yankee go home!" sentiment in Central and South America with out long history of, ham fisted at best and anti-democratic as worst, intervention in the region. While it would very different from the Islamic violence we faced in our other recent over seas adventures guerrilla resistance is almost a tradition in that region and would become quite the problem in very short order.
As someone living in one of the original 'donor countries', I thought that this has already happened? A few hundred years ago? The various original Native American tribes lost most of their land, and their descendent form a very small percentage of the current population.
TB, with respect I disagree. The mass movements of destitute people is a world wide problem. There are some different specifics for the different areas of the world but even 'solutions' for those specifics may be adaptable for wider use.Well, they are two, completely different topics.
For example - it would be extremely delusional to prescribe blanket, global policies on immigration .... unless you subscribe to a one world government with no borders or state sovereignty. If that's the case, then the former would be moot.
Dt, 'the people' aren't deficient but those who govern seem to be. You think not that maybe 'outsiders' are also contributing to 'deficient' government?Such as, perhaps, their own nation?
Are these people some how deficient in your eyes so as to require outsiders to remedy their ignorance?
Unless we are just going to go whole hog colonial and ship their resources home at below market value.
Hi Ana - well thanks, that's cheered us all up. The ships going down! Get the deck chairs out! ><>You don't know how to solve those problems ....and neither does anyone else. Nations like Guatemala are tiny...and they have millions of people.
Crops are failing due to global warming, and since they're mainly an agricultural nation...they have no jobs. 1 out of 4 kids are starving...and only 4 out of 10 adults are gainfully employed. They only recently got out of a 30 year civil war and they'll be heading right back into one.
That's just one nation....when you look at all the failing states, one thing is clear, there's no fixing them.
They're doomed.
Unless we are just going to go whole hog colonial and ship their resources home at below market value.
We buy their resources cheap. Who benefits?
heir corrupt leaders, the crime organizations, and the RCC. The people get the leftovers.
The colonial power who gets access to raw materials at below market rate.
Whatever the window dressing colonialism was never about benefiting the people of the colonized nations.
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