Islam People vs. Muhammad

Abu Rahma · Sep 19, 2017

Aah I see more taqiyya from the taqiyya masters.

16:106: If you are tortured to disbelieve, you are allowed to do so to save your life.
3:38: Nope, nothing for you there
9:3: How is this taqiyya?

Now to show your taqiyya in the Bible:

Taqiyya in the Bible
The Biblical God As a Deceiver
Did Jesus Deceive His Brothers – Taqiyya?
1 Corinthians 9: Apostle Paul’s Missionary Deception (Taqiyya)!
Mythmaking of Early Christian History by Eusebius

Abu Rahma · Sep 19, 2017

Targaryen said:
You seek to use shoddy theology and the Bible like a hammer and sword simultaneously in such an effort to prove the fallacy of not acknowledging Christ as Lord. Polemics when trying to convert do absolutely nothing to help the cause.

There is no disunity in the Christian faith, there is in it's practice when the Bible is being used to bludgeon rather then guide.

Thank you for being polite. Your colleagues are not propagating their faith but are on a crusade against those of others'. Perhaps if they focused on kindness, they might have received some form of positive ear from the Muslims. Attack Muslims with such vile language and expect them to convert to Christianity? One must be out of their mind to think so.

Hieronymus · Sep 19, 2017

DWA2DAY said:
Hi Hieronymus.
Have you read the book?

No i haven't, but i'm very familiar with the criticism on Islam, by brothers like David Wood and Keith Thompson for example.
But i've recently seen another topic on Islam get shut down, seemingly (my impression) because it's not 'PC enough' to utter harsh criticism on the religion.

Hieronymus · Sep 19, 2017

Abu Rahma said:
Aah I see more taqiyya from the taqiyya masters.

16:106: If you are tortured to disbelieve, you are allowed to do so to save your life.
3:38: Nope, nothing for you there
9:3: How is this taqiyya?

Now to show your taqiyya in the Bible:

Taqiyya in the Bible
The Biblical God As a Deceiver
Did Jesus Deceive His Brothers – Taqiyya?
1 Corinthians 9: Apostle Paul’s Missionary Deception (Taqiyya)!
Mythmaking of Early Christian History by Eusebius

"Thou shalt not bare false witness"
That's in the Bible, it's a Commandment of God.

Abu Rahma · Sep 19, 2017

Hieronymus said:
"Thou shalt not bare false witness"
That's in the Bible, it's a Commandment of God.

So are you saying the Bible has contradictions that it has taqiyya in one place and the command to be truthful on the other?

I don't mean to disrespect Christians and what I am only doing is using hateful logic against the hate mongers. Now do you understand how it feels to be on the receiving end?

Hieronymus · Sep 19, 2017

Abu Rahma said:
Thank you for being polite. Your colleagues are not propagating their faith but are on a crusade against those of others'.

You seem to forget that Muhammad was on a 'crusade' when he proclaimed 500 years after Christ that Christianity is a false religion.
Obviously enough reason to defend Christianity.
And not by force, but with argumentation.
This includes exposing false religions.

Abu Rahma · Sep 19, 2017

Hieronymus said:
You seem to forget that Muhammad was on a 'crusade' when he proclaimed 500 years after Christ that Christianity is a false religion.

The Bible itself says it is false (Jeremiah 8:8) and says that liars have corrupted the book and changed it from the real word of God. Islam came to correct the corruption.

Targaryen · Sep 19, 2017

Abu Rahma said:
Thank you for being polite. Your colleagues are not propagating their faith but are on a crusade against those of others'. Perhaps if they focused on kindness, they might have received some form of positive ear from the Muslims. Attack Muslims with such vile language and expect them to convert to Christianity? One must be out of their mind to think so.

It's actually rather against the tents of our faith to really do so. Jesus,to us laid out the Great Commandment, which for us is like the Shahada. The principle by which we call the Gospel, flows. Sadly, these days I see more of the type of logic and vehemence in their certain viewpoints have as akin to those that claim the name of Islam and yet kill as many muslims as they do others.

Respect for the person all stems to the fact Jesus taught us to love our neightbour as ourself. I see little respect in such polemics.

Hieronymus · Sep 19, 2017

Abu Rahma said:
So are you saying the Bible has contradictions that it has taqiyya in one place and the command to be truthful on the other?

I have yet to meet a Muslim who properly reads and understands the Bible or even make a serious effort to do so, so i'm not impressed by your views on the matter.

I don't mean to disrespect Christians and what I am only doing is using hateful logic against the hate mongers. Now do you understand how it feels to be on the receiving end?

On the receiving end of your hate mongering?
How is that 'being respectful' from your point of view?
It's not my fault when logic is hateful to you.

Hieronymus · Sep 19, 2017

Abu Rahma said:
The Bible itself says it is false (Jeremiah 8:8) and says that liars have corrupted the book and changed it from the real word of God. Islam came to correct the corruption.

...and failed miserably...
I'm not even gonna bother looking up Jeremia 8:8 and explain to you what it actually means, sorry.

Abu Rahma · Sep 19, 2017

I apologize if I have offended anyone; I never came here with the intent to convert anyone; just to refute the lies.

The hateful book by the Neo Nazi is fully refuted here: ‘The People vs Muhammad – Psychological Analysis’ Refuted and no argument is left out. If you don't want to read it, then go ahead ignore it like it has already been done.

I will end this here.

Targaryen · Sep 19, 2017

for those that refuse to back away from this Taqqiyya issue. You do know that Taqqiyya is a Shia Muslim principle mainly, which is about only 10 to 20% of Muslims worldwide? And only then as a response to persecution or compulsion? You know, akin to when Christians themselves were persecuted? Or did that ever enter into your minds?

Hieronymus · Sep 19, 2017

Targaryen said:
for those that refuse to back away from this Taqqiyya issue. You do know that Taqqiyya is a Shia Muslim principle mainly, which is about only 10 to 20% of Muslims worldwide? And only then as a response to persecution or compulsion? You know, akin to when Christians themselves were persecuted? Or did that ever enter into your minds?

That's apples and oranges.

Targaryen · Sep 19, 2017

Hieronymus said:
That's apples and oranges.

No it's not. Same standards apply. Why should their persecution, which that "taqqiyya" phrase comes into play, be any different then what the early church or indeed any time period when Christians had to deal with persecution?

So your going to look for splinters in their eyes and ignore the logs in your own? Or did Jesus never say that?

Hieronymus · Sep 19, 2017

DWA2DAY said:
I have just finished reading the book “People vs Muhammad” by JK Sheindlin. I would like to know others people comments on this book.

All I can say is man I am glad I am a follower of Jesus and the textual criticism done on the Bible over the centuries is a walk in the park in comparison to the junk written in the Hadith's (Teaching and says of Muhammad).

For those of you who have not read it here is a preview of what you will find. Yes my Muslim friends it is embracing and I am sure you will be offended but this is what is in the Hadiths of your faith. The only issue here is Sheindln has taken the time to read them and publish what Muslims believe.

I think it's a bad idea to put up fake videos.
The second one may be true, i don't know.

Hieronymus · Sep 19, 2017

Targaryen said:
No it's not. Same standards apply.

No.
Entirely different situations with entirely different motivations.

Targaryen · Sep 19, 2017

Hieronymus said:
No.
Entirely different situations with entirely different motivations.

No different. Unless of course you want to use the old false equivalency tactic of "Well the extremists are Muslims, therefore all Muslims do similar." which of course, is what this type of logic doesn't acknowledge when other faith or non-faiths question Christianity.

Hieronymus · Sep 19, 2017

Abu Rahma said:
I apologize if I have offended anyone; I never came here with the intent to convert anyone; just to refute the lies.

Don't worry about it.
To a Christian Islam is just unacceptable.
Not just because it goes against the Word of God, but also because its lack of credibility on its own merits.
If that were different, i would possibly have become a Muslim myself when i was seeking Truth.

The hateful book by the Neo Nazi ....

Yeah yeah...

Targaryen · Sep 19, 2017

It's faulty, I agree. But, I don't use a dubious opinion or extremely skewed reasoning of Islamic theology in order to make that distinction.

Hieronymus · Sep 19, 2017

Targaryen said:
It's faulty, I agree. But, I don't use a dubious opinion or extremely skewed reasoning of Islamic theology in order to make that distinction.

I agree there is too much hypocrisy, mocking and ridiculing among Islam opponents.
However, there is also a lot of ridiculous (and evil) stuff to be found within the Muslim religion.

Strangely though, a guy like David Wood, who in my opinion mocks and ridicules too much, seems to be able to get many Muslims to snap out of their beliefs.
He uses facts to do so, but not in 'a soft way'.

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