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Pentecost 2021

Pentecost 2021, begins Sunday, May 16 at sunset & ends Tuesday, May 18 at nightfall

Lev 23:
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
(MY NOTE: Strong's 4744, Holy Convocation = a rehearsal, set apart assembly, calling, reading.

7 Feasts of the Lord
1) Passover, 2) Unleavened Bread, 3) Firstfruits, 4) Pentecost, 5) Rosh Hashanah 6) Yom Kippur, 7) Tabernacles

These Feasts [Appointed Times] of the LORD (Lev 23). Are foreshadows to be understood as a "rehearsal" or "recital". Seasons planned & fixed before the sun & moon were set as acting witness's to God plan (Gen 1:14).

Pentecost/Greek - Shavuot/Hebrew is known as: Festival of "Harvest" (Ex 23:16).

3 mandatory pilgrimage [every male Jew 20 yrs & up had to travel to Jerusalem] "HARVEST Feasts" = Passover, Pentecost & Tabernacles! (Ex 34:23-24 - Deut 16:16)

Paul writes of these special days appointed by God, as foreshadows in revealing Messiah/Jesus the Christ, as part of God’s creation plan. (Col 2:17)

IMO these 3 agricultural HARVEST festivals are Soul HARVEST foreshadowing's.

1) Passover: [Barley] "HARVEST" - A firstfruits/Resurrection Soul HARVEST that already happened (Matt 27:52-53)

2) Pentecost [Wheat] "HARVEST" - The Main/Largest & only Harvest where a count down (Omer) beginning on day of the firstfruits sheaf/wave offer & ending with the Pentecost 2 loaf wave offering.

3) Tabernacles [Fruits] "HARVEST" Final ingathering Soul HARVEST!

At the 1st Pentecost/Mt Sinai (Ex 19) the LORD makes a Covenant [Mosaic law] with the Israelites. Marking them as a set-apart people & the Nation of Israel was born.

Acts 2 Temple Mt, 1st post Christ resurrection Pentecost, Jews that "Believed" Jesus was their long promised Messiah/Redeemer were filled/SEALED/indwelt with God's Holy Spirit". Three thousand souls (Acts 2:41) are HARVESTED & a New Covenant [making the old Mosaic/Sinai covenant obsolete Heb 8:13] begins & Christian Church is born.

Holy Spirit is given to believers as a "seal" references: 2 Cor 1:22, Eph 1:13-14, Eph 4:30, 2 Tim 1:14, 2 Cor 5:5.

Scriptural background making a case for Pentecost & the redemption/resurrection/catching-up HARVEST (1 Thes 4:17) foreshadow:

Ex 19:1 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai.
Shadow verse
Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

Ex 19:16 (b) There were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount,
Shadow verse
Acts 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Ex 19:11 And be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai.
Shadow verse
Hos 6:2 (B) In the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
BTW we are now early in the 3rd post resurrection day (Ps 90:4 - 2 Pet 2 3:8)

Ex 19:20 (A) And the LORD came down upon mount Sinai,
Shadow verse
1 Thes 4:16 (A) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout,

Ex 19:20 (B) The LORD called Moses up to the top of the mount; ""and Moses went up"".
Shadow verse
1 Thes 1:17 Then ""we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air""

OT Israel, trumpets & shofars/rams horns were blown for a variety of reasons:
Assembly, announcements, time of day, time of prayer, war, celebration, new moon, full moon etc.

Silver trumpet, a call to Assembly:
Num 10:
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,

2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.
(MY NOTE: Make 2 trumpets out of 1 single piece of silver, use these trumpets to call the people to ASSEMBLY for journeying)

Ex 19:
16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the """voice of the trumpet""" exceeding loud so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.

17 And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the nether part of the mount.
(MY NOTE: The people hear the trumpet & assemble to meet God)

19 And when the """voice of the trumpet""" sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and """God answered him by a voice""".
(MY NOTE God answers via """voice of the trumpet""")

20 And the Lord came down upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and the Lord called Moses up to the top of the mount; and Moses went up.
(MY NOTE: Vs 16: the VOICE of the trumpet; Vs 17: calls the people to meet/assemble before the Lord; Vs 19: the VOICE of the trumpet sound & waxes louder & louder. Moses speaks & God answers him with a trumpet VOICE; Vs 20: the Lord descended down the Mt & calls Moses up)

Shadow verse;
1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
(MY NOTE: The Lord descends , calls His Church-Up via the Trump of God & the VOICE of an angel)

The firstfruits [Jesus resurrected on this day] sheaf WAVE offering [Lev 23:11] of the barley harvest begins a 50 day count down [known as "counting of the omer"] to the Pentecost WAVE [2 loaf Lev 23:17] offering. These WAVE offerings connect these 2 HARVEST feasts.

Firstfruits/a resurrection foreshadow: A sheaf/bundle of 1st blossoms, of the 1st grains gathered. The priest [starting at the waist] is to lifted-up [over his head] & wave the sheaf before God. This action acknowledged & dedicated the coming harvest to the LORD.

This wave/offering before/onto the LORD, sanctified the whole field of harvest to come. Christ was RAISED-UP the firstfruit of resurrection. Setting the stage for the entire human race to be resurrected.

1 Cor 15:
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 (B) Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

A day of resurrection/reckoning awaits every person that ever lives. The question becomes; where will you spend eternity. With/in the presents of God our Creator. Or separated from, the presents of God. Deciding factor, FAITH, in Jesus sin atoning death & resurrection.

Early Pentecost tradition:

Book of Ruth:
For 3500 yrs the Book of Ruth [a rehearsal] was read every Pentecost. The story of Ruth & Boaz, a Kinsman Redeemer. A foreshadow of Christ & his Bride/Church. Boaz a wealthy landowner of the tribe of Judah, takes Ruth, a gentile, for his bride during Pentecost.

Ruth 3:9 And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: ""spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid"" for thou art a near kinsman.
(NOTE: Spread therefore thy skirt [TALITH] over thine hand maid. When a Jewish man married a woman, he threw the end of his his skirt [TALITH] over her head, covering her, to signify that she was now under his covering/protection. When we say yes to Christ, he seals/covers us with his Holy Spirit protection)

Pentecost rabbinic traditions:

Decorating the bride:
Another foreshadow on Pentecost: A time spent tradition called "decorating the bride". [Church/Body of Christ is called his bride] Jews stayed up all night studying Scripture/Torah [Tikkun Leil Shavuot]. In the hope that they will receive a special blessing. They believe that God will favorably answer prayer by briefly opening up the heavens and supply a blessing. Sounds like 1st post resurrection Pentecost [Holy Spirit outpouring] & Thes 4:16-18 [catching-up] to me! Christ is coming soon for his Bride/Church.

Judging of the fruit trees:
A belief in Jewish tradition where trees [Fig/Israel] are judged by God, gives a picture of the Judgment Seat (bema) of Christ [ believers only here 2 Cor 5:10]. The fruit of one’s works will be judged & rewarded. No judgment for sin here [bema seat] Christ was judged & paid for ALL the believers sins on the cross. [Col 1:14 & Rom 4:7].

Festival without a date:
The Pentecost WAVE offering falls 7 Sabbaths plus 1 day after the Feast of Firstfruits WAVE offering. It's not until after the destruction Temple in A.D. 70 that Pentecost becomes a fixed fixed date. While the Temple was operating via the 360 day Jewish calendar & visually decided by the appearance of the new moon. Pentecost could fall on the 5th, 6th or 7th of Sivan, now mix in leap years.

According to rabbinic tradition, Enoch was born on Pentecost. Noah's Ark landed on Pentecost and King David was born & died during Pentecost.

Feast of conclusion: In rabbinic tradition Shavuot is referred to as Atzeret. The word Atzeret in Hebrew means "conclusion".)

Those that reject God's grace & remain in unbelief/reject/deny Christ's sin atonement until life's end/death. Will find themselves at the White Throne Judgment Seat where every sin, action, word & deed will be judged. Sins required wage will have to be paid. Ending in [loss of soul] eternal separation from their Creator (2 Thes 1:9, Rev 20:15).

I understand many may disagree with my view & that’s your privilege.
 
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Actually, Pentecost would be on 5/27 if following the count.

You have to count 7 full weeks and then the following day is the Feast of Weeks.

So you would start the count from the day after the Sabbath which comes after the Barley is presented. The weeks counted would be LUNAR weeks. The appointed times are kept according to the Lunar Calendar.
 
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Actually, Pentecost would be on 5/27 if following the count.

You have to count 7 full weeks and then the following day is the Feast of Weeks.

So you would start the count from the day after the Sabbath which comes after the Barley is presented. The weeks counted would be LUNAR weeks. The appointed times are kept according to the Lunar Calendar.

Shavuot - Pentecost

Jewish calendar - Month - Sivan - days 6 & 7

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2144/jewish/Shavuot-Calendar-2021.htm

Shavuot 2021 - Festival of Weeks - שבועות | Hebcal Jewish Calendar

Shavuot 2021 | My Jewish Learning
 
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The Feast of Pentecost is celebrated on the seventh Sunday after Holy Pascha (Easter Sunday).

For Christians in the West who use the Gregorian Calendar, that will be May 23rd this year (2021), for those Christians in the East who follow the Julian Calendar, that will be June 20th this year.

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Well if it was not the middle of the Month of Sivan then we didn't need Thomas' approval that Jesus had risen.

The Spirit tells me that we need the Priests of the New Covenant to approve of the First Fruits and accept it before the count can happen. Thomas still doubted until the First day after the Weekly Lunar Sabbath from when the First Fruits would have been waved. This is consistent with the statements from Leviticus on when the count would begin. Thomas is an Apostle and therefore a New Covenant Witness and Priest of the New Covenant Levitical Priesthood. Therefore, it is fitting that the counting would take at hat time. And then it wouldn't be 50 days consecutively but rather they would count 7 lunar weeks and then the one day which would then land again on the First day of the Lunar week. Why is this important, because this is symbolic of the Jubilee count. Jubilees are counted by weeks of years. And the First Fruits will be delivered with that New Jubilee comes when Christ Returns.
 
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Any day/everyday is a good day to celebrate, the death, burial & resurrection of our great God & Savior, Jesus the Christ. Pentecost is another of many reasons to celebrate Him as well.

Feasts of the Lord found in Lev chapter 23:

Jesus died on Passover, was buried during unleavened bread & rose on 1st fruits.

Jesus sent the out pouring/indwelling of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost & the Christian church was born.

According to the LORD [Lev 23:5] The Passover lamb was to be killed/sacrificed on Nisan 14 [Jesus died on Nisan 14].

On 1st fruits the priest was to raise the sheaf/omer & this begins a 50 day countdown [known as counting the omer] to Pentecost connecting the 2 feasts.

No particular denomination or denominations can change the dates scripture records for these events.

Kudo's to any persons/denominations that celebrate Jesus any day for any reason.

I've had an on site 7 Feasts of the Lord blog for years [updated each yr]. It will provide scripture support on each feast. Best wishes to all that have posted in this thread. JJ
 
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Any day/everyday is a good day to celebrate, the death, burial & resurrection of our great God & Savior, Jesus the Christ. Pentecost is another of many reasons to celebrate Him as well.

Feasts of the Lord found in Lev chapter 23:

Jesus died on Passover, was buried during unleavened bread & rose on 1st fruits.

Jesus sent the out pouring/indwelling of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost & the Christian church was born.

According to the LORD [Lev 23] the Passover lamb was to be chosen on Nisan 10 [this is the day Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey colt].

The Passover lamb was to be killed/sacrificed on Nisan 14 [Jesus died on Nisan 14].

On 1st fruits the priest was to raise the sheaf/omer & this begins a 50 day countdown [known as counting the omer] to Pentecost connecting the 2 feasts.

No particular denomination or denominations can change the dates scripture records for these events.

Kudo's to any persons/denominations that celebrate Jesus any day for any reason.

I've had an on site 7 Feasts of the Lord blog for years [updated each yr]. It will provide scripture support on each feast. Best wishes to all that have posted in this thread. JJ

No, the 10th was when He went before Pilate and the Israelites chose Him to die.

I believe He rode in on the Donkey on the 6th day of the week (7th day of the lunar month).
 
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1 Corinthians 5:7 (b) For Christ our Passover Lamb has been sacrificed.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 5 - Amplified Bible
(MY NOTE: Christ is our NT Passover lamb sacrifice)

Laws of Religious Festivals

Leviticus 23:
1 The Lord spoke again to Moses, saying,

2 “Speak to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The appointed times (established feasts) of the Lord which you shall proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times are these:

The Passover and Unleavened Bread

4 ‘These are the appointed times of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times:

5 The Lord’s Passover is on the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight.

The Feast of First Fruits

9 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

10 “Speak to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘When you enter the land which I am giving you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest.

11 He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord so that you may be accepted; the priest shall wave it on the day after the Sabbath.

The Feast of Weeks
15 ‘You shall count from the day after the Sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf (tied bundle of grain) of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete Sabbaths (seven full weeks).

16 You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord.

17 (A) You shall bring in from your places two loaves of bread as a wave offering.
Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 23 - Amplified Bible

MY PARSING NOTES:

From the top [1 Cor 5:7] Christ is our NT PASSOVER/lamb offering/sacrifice.

2ndly [Lev 23:5] The PASSOVER lamb is to be killed/sacrificed on the 14th day of the 1st month [Nisan]. Jesus died on the Hebrew calendar day Nisan 14.

3rdly [Lev 23:10-11] You will bring & WAVE a sheaf before the Lord on the day after the Sabbath.

4th [Lev 23:15-16] Starting with the day when you brought the sheaf WAVE offering. You will count 7 complete Sabbaths = (7 full weeks) 49 days.

Lastly [Lev 23:15] on Pentecost you will WAVE a 2 loaf 1st fruit/crop thanksgiving offering LORD.

Jesus dies on Nisan 14, everyone reading this can search for a Hebrew calendar & find the month of Nisan.

Next count 50 days beginning resurrection Sunday & you will land [every time] on the 6th day of the Hebrew calendar month on Sivan. Find 3 links of support in post # 3.

This year 2021 Sivan 6 [PENTECOST] fell on May 16th on the Gregorian calendar.

Additional scripture references.
Numbers 28:26 ‘Also on the day of the first fruits, when you offer a new grain offering to the Lord at your Feast of Weeks, you shall have a holy [summoned] assembly; you shall do no laborious work.
Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 28 - Amplified Bible
(MY NOTE: Another biblical name for Pentecost is: Feast of Weeks. The 50 day countdown [counting the omer] begins with a 1st fruit/crop/sheaf blossom thanksgiving WAVE OFFER unto the LORD & ends on Pentecost with a 2 loaf 1st fruit/crop thanksgiving WAVE OFFER unto LORD)
 
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1 Corinthians 5:7 (b) For Christ our Passover Lamb has been sacrificed.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 Corinthians 5 - Amplified Bible
(MY NOTE: Christ is our NT Passover lamb sacrifice)

Laws of Religious Festivals

Leviticus 23:
1 The Lord spoke again to Moses, saying,

2 “Speak to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The appointed times (established feasts) of the Lord which you shall proclaim as holy convocations—My appointed times are these:

The Passover and Unleavened Bread

4 ‘These are the appointed times of the Lord, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times:

5 The Lord’s Passover is on the fourteenth day of the first month at twilight.

The Feast of First Fruits

9 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,

10 “Speak to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘When you enter the land which I am giving you and reap its harvest, you shall bring the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest.

11 He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord so that you may be accepted; the priest shall wave it on the day after the Sabbath.

The Feast of Weeks
15 ‘You shall count from the day after the Sabbath, from the day when you brought in the sheaf (tied bundle of grain) of the wave offering; there shall be seven complete Sabbaths (seven full weeks).

16 You shall count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall present a new grain offering to the Lord.

17 (A) You shall bring in from your places two loaves of bread as a wave offering.
Bible Gateway passage: Leviticus 23 - Amplified Bible

MY PARSING NOTES:

From the top [1 Cor 5:7] Christ is our NT PASSOVER/lamb offering/sacrifice.

2ndly [Lev 23:5] The PASSOVER lamb is to be killed/sacrificed on the 14th day of the 1st month [Nisan]. Jesus died on the Hebrew calendar day Nisan 14.

3rdly [Lev 23:10-11] You will bring & WAVE a sheaf before the Lord on the day after the Sabbath.

4th [Lev 23:15-16] Starting with the day when you brought the sheaf WAVE offering. You will count 7 complete Sabbaths = (7 full weeks) 49 days.

Lastly [Lev 23:15] on Pentecost you will WAVE a 2 loaf 1st fruit/crop thanksgiving offering LORD.

Jesus dies on Nisan 14, everyone reading this can search for a Hebrew calendar & find the month of Nisan.

Next count 50 days beginning resurrection Sunday & you will land [every time] on the 6th day of the Hebrew calendar month on Sivan. Find 3 links of support in post # 3.

This year 2021 Sivan 6 [PENTECOST] fell on May 16th on the Gregorian calendar.

Additional scripture references.
Numbers 28:26 ‘Also on the day of the first fruits, when you offer a new grain offering to the Lord at your Feast of Weeks, you shall have a holy [summoned] assembly; you shall do no laborious work.
Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 28 - Amplified Bible
(MY NOTE: Another biblical name for Pentecost is: Feast of Weeks. The 50 day countdown [counting the omer] begins with a 1st fruit/crop/sheaf blossom thanksgiving WAVE OFFER unto the LORD & ends on Pentecost with a 2 loaf 1st fruit/crop thanksgiving WAVE OFFER unto LORD)

The count of the weeks is based on a Lunar Calendar. So you will have two new moons in between which are not part of the count of the 50 days.

Also, you have to count on the morrow of the Sabbath from when you wave the sheaf.

So you wave the Sheaf on the 16th of the month for example, then that means the Sabbath is on the 22nd. This means you begin the count on the 23rd of the month.

Lev 23:15 And ye shall number to yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day on which ye shall offer the sheaf of the heave-offering, seven full weeks:
Lev 23:16 until the morrow after the last week ye shall number fifty days, and shall bring a new meat-offering to the Lord.

God is not an author of confusion. It would have been much easier to just you begin the count on the morrow of the Feast of Unleavened Bread if that is when you are supposed to begin the count. But it is not. You begin the count on the morrow after the First Sabbath you encounter after waving the Sheaf.

This will bring you directly to the middle of the 3rd Month and again right when a Full Moon is occurring. God has a Full moon occurring on each of the 3 times He requires men to come before Him in the year. Since they have to travel, that is a fitting thing.

Additionally, the Book of Jubilees shows that Feast of Weeks was celebrated in the middle of the month.
 
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The count of the weeks is based on a Lunar Calendar. So you will have two new moons in between which are not part of the count of the 50 days.

Also, you have to count on the morrow of the Sabbath from when you wave the sheaf.

So you wave the Sheaf on the 16th of the month for example, then that means the Sabbath is on the 22nd. This means you begin the count on the 23rd of the month.

Lev 23:15 And ye shall number to yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day on which ye shall offer the sheaf of the heave-offering, seven full weeks:
Lev 23:16 until the morrow after the last week ye shall number fifty days, and shall bring a new meat-offering to the Lord.

God is not an author of confusion. It would have been much easier to just you begin the count on the morrow of the Feast of Unleavened Bread if that is when you are supposed to begin the count. But it is not. You begin the count on the morrow after the First Sabbath you encounter after waving the Sheaf.

This will bring you directly to the middle of the 3rd Month and again right when a Full Moon is occurring. God has a Full moon occurring on each of the 3 times He requires men to come before Him in the year. Since they have to travel, that is a fitting thing.

Additionally, the Book of Jubilees shows that Feast of Weeks was celebrated in the middle of the month.

Everyone that reads this tread is welcome to believe & celebrate what & whenever they choose.

I believe scripture posted in this thread supports my posted position. I encourage every reader to read the verses & go from there.

Jesus dies on Nisan 14, everyone reading this can search for a Hebrew calendar & find the month of Nisan.

Next, count 50 days beginning resurrection Sunday & you will land [every time] on the 6th day of the Hebrew calendar month on Sivan. Find 3 links of support in post # 3.

This year 2021 Sivan 6 [PENTECOST] fell on May 16th on the Gregorian calendar.
 
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Everyone that reads this tread is welcome to believe & celebrate what & whenever they choose.

I believe scripture posted in this thread supports my posted position. I encourage every reader to read the verses & go from there.

Jesus dies on Nisan 14, everyone reading this can search for a Hebrew calendar & find the month of Nisan.

Next, count 50 days beginning resurrection Sunday & you will land [every time] on the 6th day of the Hebrew calendar month on Sivan. Find 3 links of support in post # 3.

This year 2021 Sivan 6 [PENTECOST] fell on May 16th on the Gregorian calendar.

I agree that scripture speaks for itself along with the established evidence from the periods. However, your not following Leviticus, if you are counting from the day of First Fruits. The Book of Jubilees shows that the Feast of Weeks was celebrated in the Middle of the month. The Dead Sea Scrolls appear to show that the made a count from the day after the First Sabbath that followed Pentecost.
 
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I agree that scripture speaks for itself along with the established evidence from the periods. However, your not following Leviticus, if you are counting from the day of First Fruits. The Book of Jubilees shows that the Feast of Weeks was celebrated in the Middle of the month. The Dead Sea Scrolls appear to show that the made a count from the day after the First Sabbath that followed Pentecost.

You're right I'm not sharing from the book of Jubilees.

2ndly,
Jesus death retired the Levitical priesthood Matt 27:51 & Jesus now mediates a new better priesthood/Melchizedek Heb 9:15.

Finally,
7 Feasts of the Lord
1) Passover, (2) Unleavened Bread, (3) Firstfruits, (4) Pentecost. These are referred to as the spring festivals

5) Trumpets, (6) Day of Atonement, (7) These are referred to as the fall festivals

It seems you believe Jubilee yr is somehow tied to Pentecost, I disagree.

Leviticus 25:
8 And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.

9 Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth [day] of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.

10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout [all] the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
(MY NOTE: 10th day of the 7th month = Day of Atonement/Yom Kippur. The Jubilee trumpet is blow once every 50 years).

Isaiah 61:
1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Luke 4:
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

What happens at Jubilee? Captives/slaves are liberated/returned/set free.

John 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
(MY NOTE: Great day = Day 8/final day of the FALL feast. Jesus is every believers Jubilee. Freed from sin & returned/reconciled to God)
 
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Let's look at what we agree on. We both believe Jesus was crucified on the 14th of Nisan. We both believe there were 7 feast days.

Where we disagree is on the Feast of Weeks. You believe contrary to Levitcus 23 which shows that we are to count from the morrow of the sabbath that follows the waving of the sheaf.

So we should be focused on that - don't you agree? This now about opposing each other but rather about a rational discussion of edification. Let's present our evidence and accept what is Truth.

I submit the following:

Lev 23:15 And ye shall number to yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day on which ye shall offer the sheaf of the heave-offering, seven full weeks:

Notice it says the sabbath FROM the day on which you offer the sheaf. And next verse says until the morrow thereafter:

Lev 23:16 until the morrow after the last week ye shall number fifty days, and shall bring a new meat-offering to the Lord.

So why would you except anything else but what these verses say?
 
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Let's look at what we agree on. We both believe Jesus was crucified on the 14th of Nisan. We both believe there were 7 feast days.

Where we disagree is on the Feast of Weeks. You believe contrary to Levitcus 23 which shows that we are to count from the morrow of the sabbath that follows the waving of the sheaf.

So we should be focused on that - don't you agree? This now about opposing each other but rather about a rational discussion of edification. Let's present our evidence and accept what is Truth.

I submit the following:

Lev 23:15 And ye shall number to yourselves from the day after the sabbath, from the day on which ye shall offer the sheaf of the heave-offering, seven full weeks:

Notice it says the sabbath FROM the day on which you offer the sheaf. And next verse says until the morrow thereafter:

Lev 23:16 until the morrow after the last week ye shall number fifty days, and shall bring a new meat-offering to the Lord.

So why would you except anything else but what these verses say?

Lev 23:
15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

I gave my position/view in posts #8 & 10.

I believe Jesus rose on the 1st day of the week.

That would be the [day 1 morrow] after the Sabbath.

Now add 7 weeks of 7 days/49 plus 1st day/resurrection for a total of 50 = Pentecost.
 
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Lev 23:
15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:

16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

I gave my position/view in posts #8 & 10.

I believe Jesus rose on the 1st day of the week.

That would be the [day 1 morrow] after the Sabbath.

Now add 7 weeks of 7 days/49 plus 1st day/resurrection for a total of 50 = Pentecost.

the Sabbaths are the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th of every lunar month. So the Sabbath that was the day before the Resurrection was the 15th which was also the First day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the next day (1st day of the week) was the Day of Firstfruits, when Jesus was resurrected, then we wait till the next sabbath (22nd) and begin count on the morrow (23rd). Counting 7 full Lunar weeks and then 1 day will bring us to the 16th of the third month.
 
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the Sabbaths are the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th of every lunar month. So the Sabbath that was the day before the Resurrection was the 15th which was also the First day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the next day (1st day of the week) was the Day of Firstfruits, when Jesus was resurrected, then we wait till the next sabbath (22nd) and begin count on the morrow (23rd). Counting 7 full Lunar weeks and then 1 day will bring us to the 16th of the third month.

Simply google, what Nisan day did the priest wave the firstfruits sheaf/beginning the counting of the omer. Nisan 16 will be the answer.
 
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Simply google, what Nisan day did the priest wave the firstfruits sheaf/beginning the counting of the omer. Nisan 16 will be the answer.

That is not how we follow Christ. We must check everything ourselves. You do realize that most people seem to think that Jesus was apprehended the night before He was Crucified but this is simply not the case. Yet if you google that you will find that error repeated time and time again.
 
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the Sabbaths are the 8th, 15th, 22nd and 29th of every lunar month. So the Sabbath that was the day before the Resurrection was the 15th which was also the First day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the next day (1st day of the week) was the Day of Firstfruits, when Jesus was resurrected, then we wait till the next sabbath (22nd) and begin count on the morrow (23rd). Counting 7 full Lunar weeks and then 1 day will bring us to the 16th of the third month.

In post #6, I said this:
Kudo's to any persons/denominations that celebrate Jesus any day for any reason.

In post #10, I said this:
Everyone that reads this tread is welcome to believe & celebrate what & whenever they choose.

I believe scripture posted in this thread supports my posted position. I encourage every reader to read the verses & go from there.

Jesus dies on Nisan 14, everyone reading this can search for a Hebrew calendar & find the month of Nisan.

Next, count 50 days beginning resurrection Sunday & you will land [every time] on the 6th day of the Hebrew calendar month on Sivan. Find 3 links of support in post # 3.

This year 2021 Sivan 6 [PENTECOST] fell on May 16th on the Gregorian calendar.

I stand behind both statements.

Finally: In Hebrew the word MORROW means NEXT DAY!

Strong's Hebrew: 4283. מָחֳרָת (mochorath or mochoratham ...
Strong's Hebrew: 4283. מָחֳרָת (mochorath or mochoratham) -- the morrow
morrow, next day Or mochoratham (1 Sam. 30:17) {mokh-or-aw- thawm'}; feminine from the same as machar ; the morrow or (adverbially) tomorrow -- morrow, next day. see HEBREW machar
Strong's Hebrew: 4283. מָחֳרָת (mochorath or mochoratham) -- the morrow

March 2021
https://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/month.asp?tdate=3/24/2021
(MY NOTE: Omer count begins """Nisan 16"""

May 2021
https://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/month.htm
Pentecost """Sivan 6""" Hebrew calendar = May 16 -18 Gregorian calendar.
 
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The point I take issue with is that your count beginning (Nisan 16).

In post #10, I said this:
Everyone that reads this tread is welcome to believe & celebrate what & whenever they choose.

I say it again here.

Best wishes, may His grace be multiplied to you & yours, JJ
 
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