Pensecola Christian College

[AndrewD88]

I must also interject that the classes ARE co-educated and study groups ARE permitted. Just check the website. The rules that segregate men from women are held only in areas of campus where couples are likely to do something out of bounds (have sex or otherwise) so elevators and stairways are sectioned. This does not mean they are stopping your contact from the opposite sex.

Just a very subtle point I wanted to make since some seem to think that PCC hinders you from realizing that there is an opposite sex out there

 

[No Swansong]

I must also interject that the classes ARE co-educated and study groups ARE permitted. Just check the website. The rules that segregate men from women are held only in areas of campus where couples are likely to do something out of bounds (have sex or otherwise) so elevators and stairways are sectioned. This does not mean they are stopping your contact from the opposite sex.

Just a very subtle point I wanted to make since some seem to think that PCC hinders you from realizing that there is an opposite sex out there

I thought I posted that Andrew but I may have been mistaken. I am not one who will tell you that rules are bad, I actually recognize that authority and rules are scriptural. My advice however to you is to pay attention to the accreditation issue. You haven't mentioned yet what you intend to study This could make a difference. You also haven't mentioned if you intend to go to graduate school or earn a terminal degree. While I think that PCC could be a good choice for you, It is entirely possible that it may be the wrong choice. I will be praying that the Lord will guide you in your decision making process.

 

[AndrewD88]

I plan to attend to study business and marketing, accounting, anything really that has to do with business.

As far as terminal / graduate goes, I think that I will probably go the whole 9 yards and do graduate school there as well, permitting that I attend, which, at this point, I have every intention to do so, and I feel like the Lord has me on that path.

Also, that message was not directed specifically at you but also at others who only know half of the truth Thanks for your kind words and God bless you!

 

[No Swansong]

I plan to attend to study business and marketing, accounting, anything really that has to do with business.

As far as terminal / graduate goes, I think that I will probably go the whole 9 yards and do graduate school there as well, permitting that I attend, which, at this point, I have every intention to do so, and I feel like the Lord has me on that path.

Also, that message was not directed specifically at you but also at others who only know half of the truth Thanks for your kind words and God bless you!

As far as business goes I would guess that you will probably want to earn an MBA which is the basic professional degree in business. I would then strongly recommend that you consider the accreditation issue I noted above. Getting into a good MBA program may be problematic if your undergraduate degree is from an unaccredited program. I will continue to pray for you. Let me know what you decide.

 

[Inperfected]

Hey Andrew... I'm not gonna get up at ya about your choice ... i promise ok... But i would like to ask a of question.

Why is it you want rules so badly? It seems like you are just about scared to do things without some control over you...

And also, don't fall into the trap of wanting to go to "one" place really badly. I fell into that trap at the start of this year, and now i'm in something i don't want to be in much. Keep your eyes open, and be alert to the differences of them all... When are you planning on going? Next year or the year after? If next year, it's good to think now... If it's the year after, don't put your heart down to oen school, but rather think about many.

 

[PaladinValer]

I am a very orderly person, but rules need to be fair and impartial.

Do you honestly think that, by simply walking on the same sidewalk with a girl, you are going to do something wrong? Especially at a Christian institution, what really is the need for such pietistic and sexist rules? Out of some irrational fear that something "bad" is going to happen?

I went to a public college for 4 years, including one extra voluntary semester out of fun. I observed a lot of crazy things, yet one thing I never saw was some guy or girl doing "something" to someone of the opposite sex out of the blue that the other person didn't want. Never. And there was absolutely nothing reported of it at all; I would have read it in the local and college papers.

What is the need to segregate? Are there really some Christian groups that still have a post-Reconstruction/pre-Desegregation mentality? To me, that is a sad, sad fact. I could never associate myself with any group, institution, church, or denomination.

 

[No Swansong]

I am a very orderly person, but rules need to be fair and impartial.

Do you honestly think that, by simply walking on the same sidewalk with a girl, you are going to do something wrong? Especially at a Christian institution, what really is the need for such pietistic and sexist rules? Out of some irrational fear that something "bad" is going to happen?

You chose the word irrational, I tend to like the word prudent. Please notice the age of the OP. You may have had self-control at that age I know that I did, but that doesn't mean everyone does. To have rules in place that lessen the possibility of being tempted beyond one's maturity level seems prudent.

I went to a public college for 4 years, including one extra voluntary semester out of fun. I observed a lot of crazy things, yet one thing I never saw was some guy or girl doing "something" to someone of the opposite sex out of the blue that the other person didn't want. Never. And there was absolutely nothing reported of it at all; I would have read it in the local and college papers.

That doesn't mean that a lot of things didn't happen that were later regretted. Nor can you possibly believe that improprieties did not occur that may not have been welcome. Many cases of date rape, and rape by coersion occur that are never reported.

What is the need to segregate? Are there really some Christian groups that still have a post-Reconstruction/pre-Desegregation mentality?

The difference of course is that certain institutions choose to segregate the sexes to lessen the possibility that they (young inexperienced students) may face temptation too great for their level of maturity. I would point out to you that this is a voluntary segregation Post-reconstruction/pre-desegregation mentality does not apply here as attending the school is voluntary. No one and I repeat No one is obligated to attend and place themselves under such authority

To me, that is a sad, sad fact. I could never associate myself with any group, institution, church, or denomination.

I don't recall anyone asking you to.
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[Humbledmac]

uh dude, i agree with everybody else. i mean PCC has been sending me ads and brochures in the mail since i was seventeen.....and i'm going into my second year of college!!!! and from what i can see, they don't allow the guys to wear jeans or shorts! but hey that might be your attmosphere. i couldn't do it.

 

[AndrewD88]

Alot of colleges don't allow students to wear certain clothing, to maintain a very professional atmosphere, that of which I am attracted to.

 

[PaladinValer]

You chose the word irrational, I tend to like the word prudent. Please notice the age of the OP. You may have had self-control at that age I know that I did, but that doesn't mean everyone does. To have rules in place that lessen the possibility of being tempted beyond one's maturity level seems prudent.

Even at age 16, most kids have the skills and knowledge to pick decisions based on what they know. That is why most churches and denominations that have a Confirmation or Confirmation-like rite do so by this age, sometimes even earlier.

That doesn't mean that a lot of things didn't happen that were later regretted. Nor can you possibly believe that improprieties did not occur that may not have been welcome. Many cases of date rape, and rape by coersion occur that are never reported.

Quite true. Perhaps I should have stated instead that such occurances are rarer than often suggested?

The difference of course is that certain institutions choose to segregate the sexes to lessen the possibility that they (young inexperienced students) may face temptation too great for their level of maturity.

College begins usually between ages 17 and 18. If the kid isn't ready to make such choices yet, then they should be back in middle school, not be going off to college.

I would point out to you that this is a voluntary segregation Post-reconstruction/pre-desegregation mentality does not apply here as attending the school is voluntary.

True, and the fact remains here: who in their right mind would ever accept such segregation? It is a black evil rooted in the vilest of human philosophoes and practices. Christ said all are equal, and these "institutions" say otherwise. I'm quite certain people can figure out the rest.

No one and I repeat No one is obligated to attend and place themselves under such authority

Indeed not. My problem lies with the fact that some people have the audacity to support this evil.

And no, I'm not saying you (the one whom I'm replying to) are evil or support it. I can tell you do not condone their terms.

Alot of colleges don't allow students to wear certain clothing, to maintain a very professional atmosphere, that of which I am attracted to.

No blue jeans? What logical reason could be given for the banning of blue jeans?! It's fabric.

 

[AndrewD88]

Well, lets think about it for a moment. Would you wear a T-shirt and blue jeans to a seminar for your business? Would you wear blue jeans to work every day if you worked at a high level professional business? I wouldn't think so. This college, on the other hand, is very clean cut, very neat. I don't really think it matters anyway.

As for it being evil, they have not taken away any rights at all. Most classes are co-ed, and ladies and men are allowed to eat lunch together. It is certain parts of campus that are segregated, and this does not detract from any experience at all.

It all comes down to who you are. There is no evil in a perfectly clean christian college with, needless to say, very strict rules. Maybe your problem is that the rules are too good for you? I suppose it really just depends on your purity, and your willingness to go to great lengths to live and serve Jesus Christ completely. Don't take that the wrong way, but the only real thing I have heard anyone give any complaint to so far in this entire argument / conversation is that they don't like the rules. Since I choose to stand out, since I choose to live by such standards, I will be simply abliged to say that I agree with them. I also live a very pure life myself, and I share an EXTREMELY pure relationship with my girlfriend.

If you have not choosen to experience such enviroments, then you yourself are only complaining of something that you do not agree with by either the rules in the book or the opinions of others.

Now, considering that I am the person here that initially asked for people who ATTENDED to give their opinions, I should not be considering the opinions of those who have not. However, I have patiently and kindly accepted everyone's opinions, attended or not. Clearly, however, you decide to call me "unwise" for choosing a college of such a high purity...whats the right word...high purity CALIBER. I would NEVER attend a public college, because 20% or more of the students get drunk, have parties, have sex, and drop out. What kind of life is that?

Would you rather have a life that is strictly run in the land of the Lord or would you like to live in a sin infested emporium? Your choice.

Once again, thanks for all your opinions. God Bless!

 

[Humbledmac]

this is humblemac's sister and i too believe in rules to keep you on the right track but telling people how to dress is a bit much. they are probably trying to maintain a state of modesty, which i completely respect, but what's wrong with jean skirts if they're modest? and is it not true that to many unnecessary rules can drive people away?

 

[AndrewD88]

Girls can wear jean skirts. You have to wear skirts, slacks, button ups, polos. It's not really all that strict. You could find shirts at Hollister that would be allowed there.

 

[PaladinValer]

Well, lets think about it for a moment. Would you wear a T-shirt and blue jeans to a seminar for your business?

No, but this is a False Dilemma. College isn't a business or a formal seminar. College is a place to learn; attair should be appropriate, but not formal.

Would you wear blue jeans to work every day if you worked at a high level professional business? I wouldn't think so. This college, on the other hand, is very clean cut, very neat.

And very mute. Not a great environment for self-expression or individuality, hallmarks of what it is to be human.

I don't really think it matters anyway.

It does matter.

As for it being evil, they have not taken away any rights at all.

The right to walk on certain sidewalks and use certain elevators. What a truly rediculous right to remove.

Most classes are co-ed, and ladies and men are allowed to eat lunch together. It is certain parts of campus that are segregated, and this does not detract from any experience at all.

If certain parts, then segregation exists. It is evil. Pure, unadulterated, evil.

I do not support evil and nor should Christianity.

It all comes down to who you are. There is no evil in a perfectly clean christian college with, needless to say, very strict rules.

If segregation exists, then evil exists.

Maybe your problem is that the rules are too good for you?

The problem is that the rules are evil.

I suppose it really just depends on your purity, and your willingness to go to great lengths to live and serve Jesus Christ completely.

Christ would never support the evil of segregation.

Don't take that the wrong way, but the only real thing I have heard anyone give any complaint to so far in this entire argument / conversation is that they don't like the rules.

Because they are rediculous or evil. Often both.

If you have not choosen to experience such enviroments, then you yourself are only complaining of something that you do not agree with by either the rules in the book or the opinions of others.

Now, considering that I am the person here that initially asked for people who ATTENDED to give their opinions, I should not be considering the opinions of those who have not.

And to ignore those who never have yet have a knowledge of relevence is illogical and unwise.

However, I have patiently and kindly accepted everyone's opinions, attended or not. Clearly, however, you decide to call me "unwise" for choosing a college of such a high purity...whats the right word...high purity CALIBER.

Segregation is high caliber?

Lord have mercy!
Christ have mercy!
Lord have mercy!

I would NEVER attend a public college, because 20% or more of the students get drunk, have parties, have sex, and drop out. What kind of life is that?

Hypocricy in the worst degree on your part! And guess what? That's what happens in the real world. Its fact, and you better start getting used to it, like it or not. Living in a shell all your life is going to only hurt you, not help you.

Would you rather have a life that is strictly run in the land of the Lord or would you like to live in a sin infested emporium? Your choice.

BLASPHEMY! How dare you suggest that my GOD permits segregation?!

 

[AndrewD88]

It does matter.

Maybe to some it does not. If I choose to wear pink to school, and it does not matter to me, then I will. If I choose to dress up nice every day, and it does not matter to me, I will. You see, your thoughts are on the fact that it matters simply because you think it does. I choose to stand out, don't forget that key point. If I was to live by your way of life, I would probably already have said I agreed with you and left it at that.

Secondly, your proud opinion of segregation is clearly flawed. There is a difference between segregation and controlled enviroments. It would be segregation to say that ONLY men can attend PCC. It is not evil because it is being done FOR Christ, not because they want men and women away from each other. You seem to think that they are doing it because they are sexist. This is ABSOLUTLEY not true. I would be prone to call you evil for even thinking such a thing, that pure christians are being sexist?

This conversation has erupted beyond a point that I wanted it to. Your opinions simply stand where they are...opinions, and clearly, since you HAVE NOT attended PCC, I am not looking for your information. Why? Well, call it unwise to not judge the intelligent, but you are giving me information from a source in that of which you have not been to, nor experienced. I asked SPECIFICALLY for people who ATTENDED. You seem to be overlooking that point. This makes your "claims" irrelevant to the topic. If someone who DID attend there told me the EXACT same thing you did, I would apologize to you and move on, and consider their points VERY seriously.

Simply put, just end this. You have resorted to calling me and my beliefs, which I may add, are in the same God as you, EVIL, of all things. They are not evil, they are justified, and simply because I believe that the rules at PCC are fine, does not make me evil. If you are right, then I will be proven wrong, and God will lead me down a different path.

Thankyou.

 

[testingthestrongones]

wow, so I just read this whole conversation, I do not desire to change your mind Andrew or call anyone "evil" or any thing of that nature. I have heard both sides of the story from people who attended PCC. One girl I know went there all four years and really really loved it and came from a liberal home. Really..to each there own.

What I am about to say is not directed at you Andrew because you do not appear to have a mental illiness and I doubt you do..but more to parents and other people out there. My cousin has schizophrenia and tried to attend PCC about two years ago and ended up having to be send home from the university because they do not have the resources to help him out and was placed on an academic hold when he had a slight breakdown. My advice to anyone struggling with mental illiness or has a relative with mental illiness thinking about going to PCC, would be to call the university first and talk about everything.

I come from a very different background then you Andrew but I think it would be me being extremely judgemental saying that you are making the wrong decision. I believe that if you feel that it is God's will for you to go to PCC then I would encourage it because you seemed to think everything through. Best of luck.

 

[Inperfected]

Hey andrew.... I'm back again... just wondering if you'd be able to answer my question... not going to condemn... just really honestly wondering...

 

[AndrewD88]

Right, ok, I found what you asked. About the rules...

Well, let me explain something. The school that I go to is public, and there are so many un-Godly things that happen in High School, I am sure that many here can account for that. It's something that I really dislike and I am looking for a very LARGE change...

More-so, I want to challenge myself in Christ, to endure some of the things that temptation makes us long for the most. Like wearing jeans, I LOVE jeans, they are SO comfortable. It's kind of like fasting, you do it to make yourself more or less reliant on something. So in other words, the rules are a sort of soul / self challenge for me to become closer in Christ, to focus less on the less important things and more on the ONE important thing, Christ our saviour.

Now I know that believing that the rules at PCC hold to the key to this might be extreme, but it really depends on how far you are willing to go to love God. I know some may say they are perfectly content loving God from their homes, or in a public College environment, but what I am saying is that I am not content with that. I want to be challenged by the Lord, to endure things that most others would not seek to endure.

I am well aware that if I go to attend PCC, there will be things I dislike. I know that for a fact, that's a give-in. I have, since posting this thread, done my fair share of research on the college, and in fact, have not changed my mind on the status of my attendance there. I know that, when and if I go there, there will be things I hate, or have trouble following. But I also know that if I want to be pure to Jesus, then I will follow these ideals that are upheld by the college. The college wants to challenge Christian youth.

I am purely aware of all of these things that you have brought up, that is why I am so in need of "rules". It's not exactly that I need the rules, it's that I want to challenge myself with them. I hope that clears up any confusion or thought that you had. Thanks!

 

[No Swansong]

No, but this is a False Dilemma. College isn't a business or a formal seminar. College is a place to learn; attair should be appropriate, but not formal.



And very mute. Not a great environment for self-expression or individuality, hallmarks of what it is to be human.



It does matter.



The right to walk on certain sidewalks and use certain elevators. What a truly rediculous right to remove.



If certain parts, then segregation exists. It is evil. Pure, unadulterated, evil.

I do not support evil and nor should Christianity.



If segregation exists, then evil exists.



The problem is that the rules are evil.



Christ would never support the evil of segregation.



Because they are rediculous or evil. Often both.





And to ignore those who never have yet have a knowledge of relevence is illogical and unwise.



Segregation is high caliber?

Lord have mercy!
Christ have mercy!
Lord have mercy!



Hypocricy in the worst degree on your part! And guess what? That's what happens in the real world. Its fact, and you better start getting used to it, like it or not. Living in a shell all your life is going to only hurt you, not help you.



BLASPHEMY! How dare you suggest that my GOD permits segregation?!

Paladin you seem to have missed the point here (although you acknowledged it) that attendance at this school is purely voluntary. There is a clear reason that this school has chosen this selective form of segregation and that is to help prevent younger students from falling into sin. Point number one is that this particular segregation has nothing to do with the value or worth of human beings. The school does not segregate because of some belief that males are superior or inferior to females. I agree any segregation that judges the value or worth of human beings is vile, but that isn't the case here.
I will give you an example. I do not allow my Children to go out on "dates" where they would be alone with a person of the opposite sex. Most certainly this is a form of segregation as I allow them to visit their male friends. Is it your contention that because I am segregating, that I am sinful, or vile, or blasphemous? This is much the same with the school in question. This school does not prohibit contact between their male and female students, they simply prohibit certain types of contact.
While I agree that students who cannot control themselves are not be ready for College and thus should not attend, there is no sure way for the school to judge this.
I would never argue that this school is right for everyone but I also believe that your argument that their attempts to help their students avoid a very powerful type of temptation is sinful is incorrect.

 

[AndrewD88]

That's kinda what I was trying to get acrossed, excpet I couldn't find the right words to say it. Thanks JT