Penn & Teller On "coming out" as Atheist

[JGG]

The issues of irreducible complexity and the fossil record, for starts. I know evolutionists have blown a lot of hot air on these subjects, but they have otherwise completely ignored the validity of the problems therein.

Well no, not exactly. The irreducible complexity argument ignores that a simple mutation which is a benefit to an organism still gives it an advantage even if it is not optimum. One might also note that irreducible complexity, if it were an issue, would only be an issue for the very earliest lifeforms.

There is incontrovertible proof that Darwin's finches were a disastrous blunder of science, and the mathematical absurdity that many mathematicians bluntly mocked until the time came when evolutionist bias rose to the point where they had to shut up for the sake of their career standing.
All that's old news, really.

Incontrovertible proof? That sounds like a red flag. What was this mathematical absurdity?

There's also the human race, with all it's incredibly superior brains in a flash, with no real believable theory as to how.

In a flash? Could you define how quickly we went from dumb to smart?

 

[madaz]

The thing is, the theory isn't! It's just the result of a society who can't accept Creation.

The problem is, there are thousands of creation stories and creationists reject the vast majority of them. They only accept the stories they were taught.

Just because the bronz aged hebrew creation story is currently one of the most popular creation stories in the Western world, does not give it a monopoly over the all the others.

Creation stories are just that, creation stories, they are man's attempts to try and understand the world we live in, they are difficult to accept, because there is no evidence to support them.

 

[Davian]

I don't believe in evolution, because of all the so called great discoveries and connections they've devised about the world and it's creatures, they have utterly failed to acknowledge the validity of the fundamental issues regarding evolution. And until they do that, their theory truly is just a theory.

There, you've heard it from someone else.

Hilarious.

Is semiconductor theory just a theory?

 

[WindStaff]

Well no, not exactly. The irreducible complexity argument ignores that a simple mutation which is a benefit to an organism still gives it an advantage even if it is not optimum. One might also note that irreducible complexity, if it were an issue, would only be an issue for the very earliest lifeforms.

That's the evolutionist's way of avoiding the validity of the issue- taking a gargantuan, theory breaking issue and bandaging it up with an extremely asinine excuse to walk away and continue on.

Speaking of mutations:
It takes 50000 mutation to go from land to sea, how many of these mutations are beneficial?
The answer is none. They were all completely and utterly useless.

Incontrovertible proof? That sounds like a red flag. What was this mathematical absurdity?

Darwin's Black Box. The species of finches were simply oscillating. Evolution is mathematically absurd because physics and probability simply do not allow for it. Just like it's possible that all the air molecules in the room will go to one side, don't count on it ever happening in a finite universe.

In a flash? Could you define how quickly we went from dumb to smart?

Yes. First we were stupid, and then we were smart. It happened instantly. Go ask an evolutionist. Better yet, go pull up the actual theories they've developed. It's hilarious.

 

[JGG]

That's the evolutionist's way of avoiding the validity of the issue- taking a gargantuan, theory breaking issue and bandaging it up with an extremely asinine excuse to walk away and continue on.

Well this is awkward. I was going to make a point about how that's the Christian's way of avoiding addressing a valid response, by simply making an ad-hominem about the person who made it. It seems you beat me to that one. Anyway...

I hate to tell you this, but it's not a gargantuan issue, and hardly theory breaking. Really, it was addressed (again) about 10 years ago (a year after Behe brought it to the forefront again), and hasn't had any new developments since. In fact, when Behe presented irreducible complexity at the Dover trial he conceded that he had no evidence to support his argument. All the more concerning Behe didn't make his argument against evolution in a scientific journal, or in the scientific community, but in a court of law...and still it was rejected.

When you were presented with this "gargantuan, theory breaking issue" did you bother to look over the response to it? It's more or less what I responded with. What about the argument of irreducible complexity? Do you really understand what it is? What about abiogenesis, or evolution?

Speaking of mutations:
It takes 50000 mutation to go from land to sea, how many of these mutations are beneficial?
The answer is none. They were all completely and utterly useless.

I don't know, if it got from land to sea, something must have been useful.

Darwin's Black Box. The species of finches were simply oscillating. Evolution is mathematically absurd because physics and probability simply do not allow for it. Just like it's possible that all the air molecules in the room will go to one side, don't count on it ever happening in a finite universe.

It's mathematically absurd because of physics? So does that mean we're changing disciplines? It's not math, it's physics! What then is the absurdity from physics?

I also feel the need to point out, that finches are hardly a fundamental point. They are a seed on a leaf of a branch on the evolutionary tree.

Yes. First we were stupid, and then we were smart. It happened instantly. Go ask an evolutionist. Better yet, go pull up the actual theories they've developed. It's hilarious.

It happened "instantly"? I've never heard that. I've heard quite the opposite. When was this instant "smartification"? How long have we been "smart"? Can you give a citation for these claims?

Am I safe in assuming that your alternative theory is that a mysterious being "blinked" us, the Earth, the universe, and well...everything into existence?