Peanut Gallery - Formal Debate - New World Order

Simpleman25 · Sep 12, 2014

All I'm trying to show you is that Freemasonry is not anti Catholic or anti Christian. Trust me, if it were either of those I would not be involved. Nor would the thousands and thousands of Catholics, or other Christians.

The first issue the church had with masonry was the fact that we are open to all faiths. We don't place one any higher and that didn't sit well with the church.

As far Callis is concerned, he grew up around a very anti Catholic family. He was anti Catholic in his views before he was a teen. His joining masonry had to do with meeting and hanging out with the right people. At that time in his country, the vast majority of leaders were also masons.

Albion · Sep 12, 2014

Simpleman25 said:
All I'm trying to show you is that Freemasonry is not anti Catholic or anti Christian.

That's right. It is neither of those, but people will believe what they want to believe.

Rick Otto · Sep 15, 2014

I don't believe they are evil in general, but have a few evil people in high places.

As often as the cabal idea gets explained, I would think reflex assumptions that Joe Six-pack Catholic or Freemason either one, has time for any of this, would get dropped.
(sigh)
It's not about them.

Rick Otto · Sep 15, 2014

Armoured said:
Pretty much my thought, too. Is a lack of denunciation about an assassination evidence of complicity for anyone else?

Let's vote on everythiing from now on, 'k?
If the masons cared enough to distance themselves from his behavior, the option was available.
They didn't care. If silence is consent... yes, they were complicit.
It's completely understandable you don't want to accept any bad news about dirty laundry.

Armoured · Sep 15, 2014

LiberalAnglicanCatholic said:
For some individuals, not everyone else the answer is yes...sadly.

Did the Boy Scouts condemn the assassination? How about Tibetan Buddhists? No? They're probably in on it.

Rick Otto · Sep 15, 2014

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 15, 2014

Rick Otto said:
I don't believe they are evil in general, but have a few evil people in high places.

As often as the cabal idea gets explained, I would think reflex assumptions that Joe Six-pack Catholic or Freemason either one, has time for any of this, would get dropped.
(sigh)
It's not about them.

Where do you come up with this stuff

.

Albion · Sep 16, 2014

Rick Otto said:
If the masons cared enough to distance themselves from his behavior, the option was available.
They didn't care. If silence is consent... yes, they were complicit.
It's completely understandable you don't want to accept any bad news about dirty laundry.

It's amazing to me that you buy into all the most ludicrous anti-Masonic myths without having any knowledge of it yourself. Masonry is not political; politics aren't discussed in lodge or in Masonic publications, yet you think not doing so is evidence of some dark approval of assassinations. Good grief.

And then you say, for no known reason, that Masons have a " few evil people in high places."

Well, out with it RO. Who are they? Name names for us.

Rhamiel · Sep 16, 2014

Albion said:
It's amazing to me that you buy into all the most ludicrous anti-Masonic myths without having any knowledge of it yourself. Masonry is not political; politics aren't discussed in lodge or in Masonic publications, yet you think not doing so is evidence of some dark approval of assassinations. Good grief.

And then you say, for no known reason, that Masons have a " few evil people in high places."

Well, out with it RO. Who are they? Name names for us.

if they are not political
they why do Masons pride themselves on the work that the Lodge did to bring about the American Revolution?
or was that not "political"?

Albion · Sep 16, 2014

Rhamiel said:
if they are not political
they why do Masons pride themselves on the work that the Lodge did to bring about the American Revolution?
or was that not "political"?

This discussion belongs on the Philosophy page. That's where all discussions of Freemasonry are assigned to by CF. It's not really part of the topic here in any case.

Therefore, I ask anyone wanting to speak about Masonry to start a thread there. I promise to participate if that's anyone's preference--and that includes taking up the point you've raised in your post, Rhamiel.

James Is Back · Sep 16, 2014

SMA12 said:
I'm waiting for the Bigfoot debate thread myself.

What about the zombie thread or the loch ness monster thread

MoreCoffee · Sep 16, 2014

Reborn Yet Again said:
What about the zombie thread or the loch ness monster thread

We have dozens of zombie threads courtesy of brother LLoJ

Rick Otto · Sep 16, 2014

Albion said:
It's amazing to me that you buy into all the most ludicrous anti-Masonic myths without having any knowledge of it yourself. Masonry is not political; politics aren't discussed in lodge or in Masonic publications, yet you think not doing so is evidence of some dark approval of assassinations. Good grief.

And then you say, for no known reason, that Masons have a " few evil people in high places."

Well, out with it RO. Who are they? Name names for us.

First of all, what do you mean, I have no knowlege of it?

Do you honestly expect a secret cabal would publish it's agenda in the company magazine?!?

No wonder conspiracy theory supporters are treated like children. You are operating under a child-like definition. You have no idea what a conspiracy is, or how it works. Thank you for making that clear. It will save me a lot of time and grief.

So what exactly do expect from me as far as a name? You expect a name followed by evidence beyond the shadow of doubt?
And you think I'm the one who isn't being realistic?

MarkRohfrietsch · Sep 16, 2014

MOD HAT...

Albion said:
This discussion belongs on the Philosophy page. That's where all discussions of Freemasonry are assigned to by CF. It's not really part of the topic here in any case.

Therefore, I ask anyone wanting to speak about Masonry to start a thread there. I promise to participate if that's anyone's preference--and that includes taking up the point you've raised in your post, Rhamiel.

Albion, you are correct. Everyone seems to want to discuss Freemasonry in this thread so I am moving it to Philosophy.

Dear friends, am leaving a permanent redirect here in GT. Be mindful that all of the rules at CF regarding flaming still apply so let's keep things up front and civil.

Mark
Area Supervisor

Rick Otto · Sep 19, 2014

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

"
As a conspiracy theory, the term New World Order or NWO refers to the emergence of a totalitarian world government.[3][4][5][6][7]
The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government—which will replace sovereign nation-states—and an all-encompassing propaganda that makes the establishment of the New World Order the culmination of history's progress and an ideology. Significant occurrences in politics and finance are speculated to be orchestrated by an unduly influential cabal that operates through many front organizations. Numerous historical and current events are seen as steps in an ongoing plot to achieve world domination through secret political gatherings and decision-making processes.[3][4][5][6][7]
Before the early 1990s, New World Order conspiracism was limited to two American countercultures, primarily the militantly anti-government right, and secondarily that part of fundamentalist Christianity concerned with the end-time emergence of the Antichrist.[8] Skeptics such as Michael Barkun and Chip Berlet observed that right-wing populist conspiracy theories about a New World Order had not only been embraced by many seekers of stigmatized knowledge but had seeped into popular culture, thereby inaugurating a period during the late 20th and early 21st centuries in the United States where people were actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios.[4][6] Those political scientists were concerned that mass hysteria could have what they judged to be devastating effects on American political life, ranging from widespread political alienation to escalating lone-wolf terrorism.[4][6][9]"

I think "Lone Wolf Terrorist" is an oxymoron.

Simpleman25 · Sep 21, 2014

I've always thought terms like nwo, secretive elites and such were the oxymoron terms.

Rick Otto · Sep 24, 2014

Simpleman25 said:
I've always thought terms like nwo, secretive elites and such were the oxymoron terms.

NWO is on the back of our one dollar notes.
Elites are the most private of citizens in gated communities with offshore accounts.
Why would you think those terms are oxymorons?

Simpleman25 · Sep 24, 2014

Rick Otto said:
NWO is on the back of our one dollar notes.
Elites are the most private of citizens in gated communities with offshore accounts.
Why would you think those terms are oxymorons?

On the back of who's dollar bill? Certainly not the one in my wallet.

Albion · Sep 25, 2014

Rick Otto said:
NWO is on the back of our one dollar notes.

According to the translation of the conspiracy nuts. Linguists say that it means something else.

Elites are the most private of citizens in gated communities with offshore accounts.

If so, that makes them wealthy, not Satanists or the secret rulers of the world.

Rick Otto · Sep 25, 2014

Let the Linguists & wallets be buried with the Linguists & the wallets...

I'll just pretend you guys actually know what Novo Ordo refers to instead of the NWO, and that secrecy is what makes elites wealthy, because that makes more sense than to think wealth is what inspires a need for privacy, and linguists are the go-to guys to disprove a conspiracy that depends so heavily on purity of terms anyway, doesn't it.

It's so comforting to have common sense to fall back on, isn't it.

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