Peace for All

[Chrono Traveler]

As I sit and watch the world, I see terrible things done in the name of god. People argue with others of different religion about "whos right" and "whos wrong".Most of the time when they can't even agree amoung themselves. Religion is a good thing.. for the most part, but to have such exterme views on a religion, a belief system, or anything of the sort disrupts the peace of the earth.

I ache when I see murder, war, bigotry carried out out over a religion. I watch and see all hate in the world, everlasting... never ending. We believe what we think is right and never even CONSIDER another view. That is why the world has been corrupted.

But all this can end now....Even if you think you have the right way, even if your beliefs are strong, I must tell you to drop anything you have aginst anyone elses belief system and look at the person. Don't try to force them into "trusting god", just let them trust you and let yourself trust them.

If we all just let someone elses side be herd, and listen to eachother, and take what our neighbors believe into heart. I think the world would be a much better place.

Peace....Is something the wolrd needs now...If there is something there, a god/goddess...or gods or a spirit the binds us all together. Im sure nothing would make it happier than to know its world is in unity...

~Peace, love, happiness

 

[Chrono Traveler]

It seems that not many have seen this topic...but I think its important...so ::bumps the post::

 

[All4one]

Chrono.. I agree, unity is thing quite un-unified. It kills me to see so many churches broken down into denominations and from there experience church splits. As the church disenegrates so do peoples lives. Religion is a moral lifter for God is the ultimate and the only person who holds lifes meaning and purpose togather. It is a confusing world and even the truth many times only adds to the confussion. One thing is for sure though... We look at houses and know that someone built them as we look at the stars and earth and am sure that there is a creator. Now who? Since the question is probably skeptical I cannot refer to the bible but can say that there is a part of you made to be with Him... it must be opened though. Allow God to lead you in your journey in what is right and wrong. He will show you the path, do not depend on others analogies.

In Love,
All4one

 

[Ananel]

Deism does not equal unity.

Universal Unitarianism does not equal unity, as it states that the exclusive aspects of most other religions are inherently false.

Peace does not equal agreement.

Trust does not equal agreement.

Love does not equal agreement.

Love is Love. Trust is trust. Peace is peace. Agreement is Agreement. Deism is just that. Unity is Unity.

To equate them is to ignore their basic definitions. I don't feel beholden to give these to you. You have a dictionary, or you can go to M-W online and check them. They are not the same things.

I agree with people who I am not at peace with. I Love those who I feel are little more than misguided fools. I trust people whose beliefs are completely different from my own.

I am not alone. Though any evidence I give is anectodal, you will likely find that most people will love and trust people for very personal reasons, non-dependant upon belief systems. Belief differences will factor in, but personal experience usually holds far more weight in most circumstances.

 

[Chrono Traveler]

Deism does not equal unity.

Universal Unitarianism does not equal unity, as it states that the exclusive aspects of most other religions are inherently false.

Peace does not equal agreement.

Trust does not equal agreement.

Love does not equal agreement.

Love is Love. Trust is trust. Peace is peace. Agreement is Agreement. Deism is just that. Unity is Unity.

To equate them is to ignore their basic definitions. I don't feel beholden to give these to you. You have a dictionary, or you can go to M-W online and check them. They are not the same things.

I agree with people who I am not at peace with. I Love those who I feel are little more than misguided fools. I trust people whose beliefs are completely different from my own.

I am not alone. Though any evidence I give is anectodal, you will likely find that most people will love and trust people for very personal reasons, non-dependant upon belief systems. Belief differences will factor in, but personal experience usually holds far more weight in most circumstances.

Sigh....thats not the point of the post. peace trust and love may not equal agreement.

but, peace trust and love=unity

We can't keep forcing our beliefs on eachother because it causes conflict. and with conflict there will never be unity...

Before its stated that belief itself conflicts...
You can believe what you want, tho it may go "aginst" what your beliefs are, you might want to just accept that there are billions of people in the world and all are different for you.

If we refuse to understand the people behind the beliefs, and if we refuse understand we have to get over our bias for our own beliefs, we will never find unity..

 

[TrueQ]

That's a fairly simplistic opinion, can there be Love without Trust, Trust without Peace, Unity without Understanding? All of these highminded abstracts are linked together in more than a few ways. It's kind of all or none. I'm not, by the by, suggesting that Deism is a stepping stone to all these lofty ideals, but I don't really think Deism was a point in the first place.

 

[Chrono Traveler]

That's a fairly simplistic opinion, can there be Love without Trust, Trust without Peace, Unity without Understanding? All of these highminded abstracts are linked together in more than a few ways. It's kind of all or none. I'm not, by the by, suggesting that Deism is a stepping stone to all these lofty ideals, but I don't really think Deism was a point in the first place.

Correct, this post has nothing to do with deism, or any one religion for that matter.

It's all about forgetting that you don't agree with everyone, forgetting our differences and joining hands anyway. Let me be me, and I'll let you be you...Humans will never agree on everything, so thats really the best thing we can ever do for eachother..

 

[Ananel]

Sigh....thats not the point of the post. peace trust and love may not equal agreement.

but, peace trust and love=unity

We can't keep forcing our beliefs on eachother because it causes conflict. and with conflict there will never be unity...

Before its stated that belief itself conflicts...
You can believe what you want, tho it may go "aginst" what your beliefs are, you might want to just accept that there are billions of people in the world and all are different for you.

If we refuse to understand the people behind the beliefs, and if we refuse understand we have to get over our bias for our own beliefs, we will never find unity..

Then say that the first time. Sorry to be so blunt, but your phrasing earlier espoused something closer to uniformity of belief for the sake of peace.

 

[coyoteBR]

greetings, all

I think I understand what you mean, Chrono. Like a city. People who live there desagree, gossip one with another, take other street not to talk with this or that neighbour.
Then, there is a flood. Or fire. or big car crash. In matter of seconds, those people who would not look to each other face start to work together, to help each other. For some moments, days, they are all a family.

Is it possible that we only see each other as brothers in moments of pain?

Do you know about my country Carnaval, Chrono? People? Saw that on television? The incomparable show of forms, colours, creativity... made in such level that, one year, the people who design Disney's parade tried to make some cars for it, and was a complete desaster.
Well, all that is made mostly by people who live in real ghetos. Slums. Favelas. Who spent 3, four hours a day in trains and busses to get to work. Who survive with two dollars a day. Or even less. Who live between the bullets of the drug dealers and the police.
And still...
And still they manage to work the whole year to produce that amazing show. With cloths, wood, fiberglass, glue and lots of sweat. Many will not even wear those costumes, but just push the cars, since there are lots of restrictions to engines.
People who barelly know to read and write, on a night can pick up an musical instrument ant play with hundreds of other men and women the same beat, unissonous, while walking, dancing, bowing for the public for more than one kilometer.
Like brothers and sisters. A family. United by pure love

Like I read somewhere, there are only two ways for each of one of us discover our conection with God: love and pain. I guess the same goes for working with our neighbours.

Despite our differences and several ways to see and understand the Law of God, we can work together and in harmony. We can choose Love or wait the pain strike.
Actually, is no choice at all.


DISCLAIMERWhen I wrote the word "God", please consider that after it is the phrase "whatever is your idea of Him". Also, let me emphasis that at any moment I made any reference to any specific religion. Thank you.

 

[All4one]

Yet... peace, trust, and love is the very thing that leads to true unity. It cannot be the factions of war and violence that lead there. Only through agreement of a common finish line can there be unity towards a common cause. America lacks unity because it is becoming less dependant on peace, trust, and love in God... they do not agree with Him.
I understand that you are saying that these characters in context are not trust themselves but they are the founders of trust and unity.

In Love,
All4one

 

[Ananel]

Yet... peace, trust, and love is the very thing that leads to true unity. It cannot be the factions of war and violence that lead there. Only through agreement of a common finish line can there be unity towards a common cause. America lacks unity because it is becoming less dependant on peace, trust, and love in God... they do not agree with Him.
I understand that you are saying that these characters in context are not trust themselves but they are the founders of trust and unity.

In Love,
All4one

That is debatable. What was the old line? You hurt the ones you love? There is a certain risk inherent in the closeness of unity.

And I would STILL contend that there is no sign that unity of thought is the only or most appropriate path to peace. If you want an example of a fairly peaceful system that was not unified, I'll think one up for you later.

 

[Chrono Traveler]

That is debatable. What was the old line? You hurt the ones you love? There is a certain risk inherent in the closeness of unity.

And I would STILL contend that there is no sign that unity of thought is the only or most appropriate path to peace. If you want an example of a fairly peaceful system that was not unified, I'll think one up for you later.

What? If we all just accept that we are all different, and accept eachother as we are, the world would be a much greater place. Difference is what makes us us...Why do you want to take that away?

 

[Buzz Dixon]

Trust...

























...but verify.

 

[Chrono Traveler]

You all seem not to understand how wonderful freewill is. If the world had only one religion, only one race, only only one culture..where would be the fun of life? I love to elxplore other religions, other cultues, experience things that are different from "the norm". If I couldent do that then I would have no reason to live. But because life is so full of difference so many different things to see and learn, so much no one can ever experience all of it. Life is experience, life is wondeful...live it