Paul's presents Genesis as literal and not parable.

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The voicing changes from first person to third person. Usually that would indicate a parenthetical insertion by the transcriber or narrator--an especially important indicator in a language without quotation marks. You guys say not; what is your explanation for it?

I still fail to see you point considering Exo 20:1 says...1 And God spoke all these words:

 

[Speedwell]

I don't agree there is a change of voicing.
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It's right there in plain English. I agree that you would have to show it in the original Hebrew to a settle the case--go right ahead if you can, but people I know who can read Hebrew assure me that it is there.

For example, Adam walked and spoke with God, but we learn through the Scriptures that he was actually speaking with Jesus Christ, the son of God. Nobody, not even Adam before the fall, could look upon the face of God and survive. Nobody has seen the Father at any time but the Son.

What you are describing sounds a lot like Modalistic Monarchianism, which has been an heresy since the 4th century.

 

[Speedwell]

I still fail to see you point considering Exo 20:1 says...1 And God spoke all these words:

Which is also in the third person.

 

[-57]

Post 182 you said:

Is it not enough that we know we are sinners in need of redemption?

In post 172 you said:"As I have said before...sin entered the world. Exactly how that happened is irrelevant."
You didn't explain why or how...That's what I asked.

 

[KWCrazy]

The voicing changes from first person to third person. Usually that would indicate a parenthetical insertion by the transcriber or narrator--an especially important indicator in a language without quotation marks. You guys say not; what is your explanation for it?

Tell that to Bob Dole, who always referred to himself in the third person.
Tell that to John, who always referred to himself as saying "The disciple Christ loved."
You won't see a lot of first person singular in classic literature either. You're presuming that the bible was written in contemporary english.
That's a very lame argument compared to what KW Crazy has presented.

 

[-57]

Which is also in the third person.

Moses is telling us what God said....why is that a problem?

 

[Speedwell]

Tell that to Bob Dole, who always referred to himself in the third person.

And people generally considered him to be weird for doing it.

Tell that to John, who always referred to himself as saying "The disciple Christ loved."

It is far from certain that he was referring to himself.

You won't see a lot of first person singular in classic literature either. You're presuming that the bible was written in contemporary english.

LOL! Read much?

That's a very lame argument compared to what KW Crazy has presented.

It was a question, not an argument. So far you haven't really answered it.

 

[Speedwell]

Moses is telling us what God said....why is that a problem?

And he used the third person to do it--just as in Ex 20:11 and 31:17

 

[Aman777]

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Exodus 24:12 The Lord said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction.”
Exodus 31: 17-18 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’ ”
When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

So God personally wrote the Ten Commandments on stone tablets and in doing so twice referenced the six day creation. Jesus referenced and affirmed that these commandments were in fact from God. So there is no ambiguity, the Scriptures teach that the creation of man happened exactly as depicted in Genesis.

The 6 Days of God's creation are best understood as ages since we are STILL at Gen 1:27 at the end of the present 6th Day/Age in the creation of the perfect Heaven with it's perfect host/inhabitants.

*** Any statement to the contrary is heresy. Evolution did not happen. Speciation happened since the time of the great flood, but man shares his ancestry only with man.

Descent with modification happened because today's Humans have the superior intelligence, which ONLY Adam and God had Gen 3:22 AND we also have the DNA of the sons of God (prehistoric people) inside us. Genesis 6:1-4 tells us how this scientific Fact happened.

*** Dogs and wolves may have common ancestry but dogs and cats do not. We do not have a common progenitor. We have a common Creator and He is Lord of the universe.

Amen, and He made the common ancestors of the creatures alive today, with His Own Hands. Jesus is LORD. God Bless you

 

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And he used the third person to do it--just as in Ex 20:11 and 31:17

So what?????????????????

 

[Speedwell]

So what?????????????????

So it was apparently the author of Exodus writing about God (third person) in between quoting His words (first person).

Thus my question: if not, why not?

 

[Speedwell]

duplicate post

 

[-57]

So it was apparently the author of Exodus writing about God (third person) in between quoting His words (first person).

Thus my question: if not, why not?

I fail to see how that advances your argument. In fact I see it has no bearing on the argument...other than it confirms a literal 24 hour six day creation period with a day of rest.

 

[Archivist]

Post 182 you said

No, I said no such thing, although I agree with what Speedwell said in that post.

In post 172 you said:"As I have said before...sin entered the world. Exactly how that happened is irrelevant." You didn't explain why or how...That's what I asked.

That one I did write and, again, it is irrelevant. Sin entered the world. Why or how doesn't matter.

 

[Speedwell]

I fail to see how that advances your argument. In fact I see it has no bearing on the argument...other than it confirms a literal 24 hour six day creation period with a day of rest.

It's not an argument, it's a question. A plain reading of the text suggests that because of the choice of voicing, Ex 20:11 is a parenthetical comment by the author, rather than part of the text engraved in stone tablets by God. You people claim that Ex 20:11 is part of the engraved text, so you have to explain the voicing. Voicing is important, especially in a language like Hebrew which has no quotation marks. What is your explanation for the voicing change in that passage?

Come on, guys, this is a soft-ball layman's question; you should have a ready answer. You want to teach this stuff in the public schools? You are going to have to be better prepared.

 

[-57]

No, I said no such thing, although I agree with what Speedwell said in that post.



That one I did write and, again, it is irrelevant. Sin entered the world. Why or how doesn't matter.

Sooooooooooooo, the bible tells us how sin entered...so it must matter. yes?

 

[Archivist]

Sooooooooooooo, the bible tells us how sin entered...so it must matter. yes?

No.

 

[-57]

It's not an argument, it's a question. A plain reading of the text suggests that because of the choice of voicing, Ex 20:11 is a parenthetical comment by the author, rather than part of the text engraved in stone tablets by God. You people claim that Ex 20:11 is part of the engraved text, so you have to explain the voicing. Voicing is important, especially in a language like Hebrew which has no quotation marks. What is your explanation for the voicing change in that passage?

Come on, guys, this is a soft-ball layman's question; you should have a ready answer. You want to teach this stuff in the public schools? You are going to have to be better prepared.

22These are the commandments the Lord proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.

I must be a bad layman soft ball player.

 

[-57]

No.

Thanks for that info....I just took a black magic marker and lined those verses out of my bible. Now my bible is like yours!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Speedwell]

22These are the commandments the Lord proclaimed in a loud voice to your whole assembly there on the mountain from out of the fire, the cloud and the deep darkness; and he added nothing more. Then he wrote them on two stone tablets and gave them to me.

I must be a bad layman soft ball player.

You are. That passage does not address the question of what exactly was on those tablets, particularly Ex 20:11.

I would be worried if I were you. It's one thing to teach your doctrine to people in your own church, but a public school AP biology class will make mincemeat of you. Not just abut the science, either. there will be smart Jewish and Catholic kids in those classes who know more about the Bible than any creationist.

Good luck.