Paul's presents Genesis as literal and not parable.

[-57]

Very well said.

Sad that some in this thread believe that those who disagree with their interpretation of the Genesis creation account should just "toss [their] bible into the trash."

Would you like to explain how we received our sin nature? The history behind why we need Christ?

 

[Speedwell]

Would you like to explain how we received our sin nature? The history behind why we need Christ?

Why do we need to know it? Is it not enough that we know we are sinners in need of redemption?

I think you need to give us a serious answer to Solomon's question. Right now all you're giving us is a red herring.

 

[Speedwell]

The disagreements are not moot. Concerning any theological lesson or insight as well as any moral or ethical lessons....those that are persuaded by "B" skip over why we sin and deviate from what scripture teaches.
They simply say, well were sinners and that's all I need to know. But when asked how we got that way....I hear silence. They exchange what is written in the Word of God for the word of man...the reason for Jesus coming and dieing on the cross isn't because of a single act of disobedience where we all suffer the reprocussion and curse of that sin.

Why not? Just because a person may not believe that the text of the Garden story is 100% accurate literal history does not mean he disagrees with Romans 5:12.

 

[Archivist]

Would you like to explain how we received our sin nature? The history behind why we need Christ?

I have answered this question at least twice in this thread--how sin entered the world is irrelevant. It did. Therefore we need a savior, Christ Jesus.

 

[KWCrazy]

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Exodus 24:12 The Lord said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction.”
Exodus 31: 17-18 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’ ”
When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

So God personally wrote the Ten Commandments on stone tablets and in doing so twice referenced the six day creation. Jesus referenced and affirmed that these commandments were in fact from God. So there is no ambiguity, the Scriptures teach that the creation of man happened exactly as depicted in Genesis. Any statement to the contrary is heresy. Evolution did not happen. Speciation happened since the time of the great flood, but man shares his ancestry only with man. Dogs and wolves may have common ancestry but dogs and cats do not. We do not have a common progenitor. We have a common Creator and He is Lord of the universe.

 

[-57]

Why do we need to know it? Is it not enough that we know we are sinners in need of redemption?

I think you need to give us a serious answer to Solomon's question. Right now all you're giving us is a red herring.

No one says you need to know it....but when people like you argue against what the bible says...well, that's another thing.

 

[-57]

Why not? Just because a person may not believe that the text of the Garden story is 100% accurate literal history does not mean he disagrees with Romans 5:12.

That's a bad verse for you to use to defend your argument.
Here's what it says...

Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.

Your theology would deny "sin came into the world through one man".

 

[-57]

I have answered this question at least twice in this thread--how sin entered the world is irrelevant. It did. Therefore we need a savior, Christ Jesus.

Then if you disagree with what the scripture says...please explain how sin entered. I would like to know.

 

[Speedwell]

Why not? Just because a person may not believe that the text of the Garden story is 100% accurate literal history does not mean he disagrees with Romans 5:12.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
Exodus 24:12 The Lord said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction.”
Exodus 31: 17-18 It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.’ ”
When the Lord finished speaking to Moses on Mount Sinai, he gave him the two tablets of the covenant law, the tablets of stone inscribed by the finger of God.

So God personally wrote the Ten Commandments on stone tablets and in doing so twice referenced the six day creation. Jesus referenced and affirmed that these commandments were in fact from God. So there is no ambiguity, the Scriptures teach that the creation of man happened exactly as depicted in Genesis. Any statement to the contrary is heresy. Evolution did not happen. Speciation happened since the time of the great flood, but man shares his ancestry only with man. Dogs and wolves may have common ancestry but dogs and cats do not. We do not have a common progenitor. We have a common Creator and He is Lord of the universe.

How do you explain thee change of voicing in Exodus 20:11 and 31:17?

 

[Archivist]

Then if you disagree with what the scripture says...please explain how sin entered. I would like to know.

First, I don't disagree with what scripture says.

Second, I have answered you question multiple times.

 

[Speedwell]

That's a bad verse for you to use to defend your argument.
Here's what it says...

Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.

Your theology would deny "sin came into the world through one man".

It doesn't. I agree with Paul.

 

[Speedwell]

Then if you disagree with what the scripture says...please explain how sin entered. I would like to know.

LOL! We don't disagree with what scriptures says, we disagree with what you think it says.

 

[-57]

How do you explain thee change of voicing in Exodus 20:11 and 31:17?

You'll need to explain that a bit more. I fail to see your point.

 

[-57]

First, I don't disagree with what scripture says.

Second, I have answered you question multiple times.

I must have missed it...can you point out where or explain it again.

 

[-57]

It doesn't. I agree with Paul.

Who was the one man?

 

[-57]

LOL! We don't disagree with what scriptures says, we disagree with what you think it says.

The bible says Adam and Eve disobeyed God an ate from the tree. Do you agree with that?

If you disagree, then what really happened?

 

[Speedwell]

You'll need to explain that a bit more. I fail to see your point.

The voicing changes from first person to third person. Usually that would indicate a parenthetical insertion by the transcriber or narrator--an especially important indicator in a language without quotation marks. You guys say not; what is your explanation for it?

 

[Speedwell]

Who was the one man?

Adam, the first man. Do you really believe that if the Garden story is not 100% accurate literal history that there was no Adam?

 

[Archivist]

I must have missed it...can you point out where or explain it again.

Tired of you playing games. I answered this in posts 154, 172 and 184.

 

[KWCrazy]

How do you explain thee change of voicing in Exodus 20:11 and 31:17?

I don't agree there is a change of voicing.
Why would the Lord refer to Himself as the Lord; not a lord, not your lord, but THE LORD?
Beyond that, I would have to see the original translation from the original Hebrew. For example, Adam walked and spoke with God, but we learn through the Scriptures that he was actually speaking with Jesus Christ, the son of God. Nobody, not even Adam before the fall, could look upon the face of God and survive. Nobody has seen the Father at any time but the Son.

None of this changes the fact that God Himself wrote the commandments on stone tablets and that from Him we know that the Lord created the heavens and earth in six days.