Paul the heretic??

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I just love it when people try to reduce the entire Gospel to the Sermon on the Mount:

Weird, isn't it?
You recognize that 'code' used in different places: "Jesus theology of love and equality" is ungodly in origin and practice, right ?
Much like the phrases used by "humanism" "ecumenicalism" and so on.(all the "-sm's" that serve sin instead of the One True God)

 

[Razare]

Paul seems like a heretic because weak believers don't understand his messages, and how the weak believer understands Paul usually is a heresy.

So when weak believers, especially people who don't identify as a Christian too strongly, start saying Paul is a heretic, and they decide they need to be following Jesus in the gospels or Peter & James in the epistles, what is going on is that that weak believer is acting in good conscience because quite likely they way they are reading Paul's epistle is evil.

He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. - 2 Peter 3:16

So people who reject what Paul is saying, (and I mean this with kindness,) you are in the dark and you lack foundation in God's word provided by the Holy Spirit.

Now, if you just accept you are in the dark and need more foundation, this is noble and humility. At which point you are not distorting God's word as Peter is saying some do. Those who start distorting what Paul's epistles say, though, then fall into deception, where they are exalting ideas of the devil in their mind, rather than the things of God... and doing this will cause negative outcomes in their life.

For those who don't get Paul, I suggest taking this attitude:

Now these Berea Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. - Acts 17:11

What I have seen is, people who reject Paul, will then only have very weak belief in scripture... very very weak belief. This is because we see Peter supporting Paul in 2 Peter 3:16... in which case Peter was deceived. Then also, Paul was appointed by Jesus himself as we read in Acts. Jesus doesn't just appear to anyone like that. I have never seen Jesus like that. So if Paul was deceived and his ministry fake, this means that the person who wrote the Book of Acts was deceived.

And then when the early church accepted Paul in Jerusalem, and laid hands on him to minister to the gentiles, this means the Jerusalem church was deceived.

So the whole new testament scriptures unravel if Paul is a true heretic. The real answer is what Peter said. Just read what Peter said and trust that. And those who want to twist, just accept that you are ignorant instead, and this is noble humility, and from there God himself will show you, so you will not have to trust Paul, but you will trust God.

 

[objectivechristianity]

Which words of his are supposed to be against the teachings of Jesus?

SHALOM!

You are kidding, right?

(1) PAUL REJECTED YAHSHUA'S GOSPEL, AND IMPOSED HIS OWN.

. MATTHEW 24:14.

14. "And THIS GOSPEL of The Kingdom
shall be preached in all the World
for a Witness unto all nations;
and THEN shall The End come."


. MATTHEW 24:35.


35. "Heaven and Earth shall pass away,
but my Words shall not pass away."

. MATTHEW 28:16-20.


16. Then the eleven Disciples went away into Galilee,
into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17. And when they saw him, they worshipped him
but some doubted.
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
"All Power is given unto me in Heaven and in Earth.
19. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in The Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20. "Teaching them to observe all things
whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto The End of The World." Amen.

PAUL REJECTED THE GOSPEL THAT YAHSHUA TAUGHT HIS DISCIPLES, AND COMMANDED THEM TO TEACH TO THE WORLD, AND INSTEAD INVENTED HIS OWN.


. GALATIANS 1:11-12.


11. But I certify you, Brethren,

that the Gospel which was preached of me

is not after Man.

12. For I neither received it of Man,

neither was I taught it,

but by the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

. GALATANS 2:7-9.


7. But contrariwise, when they saw
that The Gospel of the Uncircumcision
was committed unto me,
as The Gospel of the Circumcision was unto Peter;
8. [For he that wrought effectually in Peter
to the Apostleship of the Circumcision,
the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:]
9 And when James, Cephas, and John,
who seemed to be pillars,
perceived the Grace that was given unto me,
they gave to me and Barnabas
the right hands of Fellowship;
that we should go unto the Heathen,
and they unto the Circumcision.

THIS IS CALLED: "FAILURE TO FOLLOW SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS."

Every Disciple of YAHSHUA follows THE SAME COMMANDMENTS AND TEACHINGS OF GOD as given BY YAHSHUA. Anyone who follows DIFFERENT Commandments and Teachings CANNOT POSSIBLY ACHIEVE THE SAME RESULTS.

Which is what you have, do you not- in all of your Oyinbo Churches, your are POOR, BLIND, DEAF, DUMB, LAME, PALSIED, and NAKED- and your CLERGY Teach: "THIS IS PERFECTLY NORMAL! GOD CANNOT MANIFEST WITH US AS HE DID WITH THE ANCIENTS!"

(2) ALL YOU NEED TO BE SAVED IS TO CALL ON THE LORD'S NAME!

. MATTHEW 7:21-29.

21. "Not every one
that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,'
shall enter into
The Kingdom of Heaven;
but he that doeth
The Will of my Father Which is in Heaven.
22. "Many will say to me in That Day,


'LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME?

AND IN THY NAME HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS?
AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?'


23. "And then will I profess unto them,


'I NEVER KNEW YOU:
DEPART FROM ME,
YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.'


24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
these Sayings of mine, and doeth them,
I will liken him unto a Wise Man,
which built his House upon a Rock:
25. "And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds blew, and beat upon that House;
and it Fell not: for it was founded upon a Rock.
26. "And every one that heareth
these Sayings of mine, and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto a Foolish Man,
which built his house upon the Sand:
27. "And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds blew, and beat upon that House;
and it Fell: and Great was The Fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had ended these Sayings,
the People were astonished at his Doctrine:
29. For he Taught them as One having Authority,
and not as the scribes.

MERELY CALLING UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD IS INSUFFICIENT: ONE MUST ALSO OBEY THE TEACHINGS OF THE LORD- OR ELSE ONE WILL SUFFER A CAVE-IN, RATHER THAN BE SAVED.

. ROMANS 10:5-13.


5. For Moses describeth the Righteousness which is of The Law,

“THAT THE MAN WHICH DOETH THOSE THINGS
SHALL LIVE BY THEM.”


6. But the Righteousness which is of Faith speaketh on this wise,


“SAY NOT IN THINE HEART,
'WHO SHALL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?'


[that is, to bring Christ down from above:]

[7. “OR, WHO SHALL DESCEND INTO THE DEEP?”


[that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.]
8. But what saith it?

“THE WORD IS NIGH THEE,
EVEN IN THY MOUTH,
AND IN THY HEART:"

That is, The Word of Faith, which we preach;

9. “THAT IF THOU SHALT
CONFESS WITH THY MOUTH
THE LORD JESUS,
AND SHALT BELIEVE IN THINE HEART
THAT GOD HATH RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD,
THOU SHALT BE SAVED.”


10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made unto Salvation.
11. For the Scripture saith,

“WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM
SHALL NOT BE ASHAMED.”


12. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek:
for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13. For whosoever shall call upon
the Name of the Lord shall be Saved.

PAUL SAYS: "THESE SCRIPTURES MEAN THUS-AND-SO...!"

He was LYING! they had NOTHING to do with the load of it that Paul was laying on them.

Christians have found out THE HARD WAY that calling on the Name of The Lord is USELESS without OBEYING THE LORD'S TEACHINGS.

(3) PAUL SAID THE HAND OF MAN PLUCK THE SAVED OUT OF YAHSHUA'S HAND.

. JOHN 10:26-30.


26. "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep,
as I said unto you.
27. "My sheep hear my Voice, and I know them,
and they follow me:
28. "And I give unto them Eternal Life;
and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29. "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's Hand.
30. I and my Father are one."

. GALATIANS 5:1-4.

STAND fast therefore in the Liberty
wherewith Christ hath made us Free,
and be not entangled again with the Yoke of Bondage.
2. Behold, I Paul say unto you,


“THAT IF YE BE CIRCUMCISED,
CHRIST SHALL PROFIT YOU NOTHING.”


3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised,
that he is a debtor to do the whole Law.
4. Christ is become of no effect unto you,
whosoever of you are justified by the Law;
ye are fallen from Grace.

THIS HAS HARDLY EXHAUSTED THE LIST OF PAUL'S CONTRADICTIONS OF THE LORD'S TEACHINGS- which he got away with at the time- only because the Disciples treacherously cooperated with the Sanhedrin, in withholding Yahshua's actual Teachings.

 

[Strong in Him]

SHALOM!

I find it terrible that you have to "hear it said," and have to consult others to know what is what.

I don't.
This is a discussion board; I was starting a discussion.

What is it exactly, that you cannot perceive, and what things do you not understand?

See above.
I started this thread to continue a discussion with a certain forummer - who has decided not to post in it.

What do you think "THE BIBLE" is?

The Bible is the word of God; God's revelation about himself. The OT points to Jesus, the Gospels speak of Jesus and the rest of the NT proclaims Jesus, shows how his teaching was proclaimed and put into practice and the Great Commission was carried out. The NT also contains prophecy about the future.

It is a Book compiled by men.

Under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
The OT contains the words of prophets who poke by the Spirit of God. The NT contains writings from men who were either disciples of, or eye witnesses to, Jesus, or in close contact with people who were and who knew him.

To arrive at "The Bible," Faithful Disciples who had more or less the whole Truth were murdered, so that the survivors might say: "THIS is THE Word of God!" We have only a minute fraction of The Word of God.

That's your opinion, it is not orthodox teaching.

WHO taught you that YOUR LIFE would have to be DIFFERENT, and you would have to blunder about in Darkness, needing people to lead you by the hand, and coax you by voice: "This way! No- THAT way!"?

You have been TAUGHT to be confused.

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not confused; like I say, I started this thread to have a discussion - mostly with one man, who isn't even here.

YAHSHUA IS THE LORD, OUR MASTER, AND OUR SAVIOUR.

HIS WORDS ARE OUR FOUNDATION.

I have never said otherwise. Capital letters=shouting; please don't.

Whosoever hears his sayings and does them is like a man who built his house, and laid the foundation on a rock.

That means that such a person can withstand ANYTHING raining on them, flooding them, or blowing on them.

Anyone who hears Yahshua's Sayings, but does not do THEM- because somebody told them something different- THEY are like someone who built their house upon the sand. When rained upon, flooded, and blown upon, THEY CAVE IN.

Why are you pretending that you never heard that warning before?

Why are you judging me when you nothing about me?

. JOHN 8:30-32.

30. As he spake these Words,
many believed on him.
31. Then said Jesus to those Jews
which believed on him,
"If ye continue in my Word,
(then) are ye my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall know The Truth,
and The Truth shall make you free."

YOU ARE NOT FREE, AND YOU ARE A PRISONER OF DOUBT AND BLINDNESS BECAUSE YOU DID NOT CONTINUE IN YAHSHUA'S WORD. You continued in someone else's word- even Paul's.

Why have you done that?

1) I am free because the Lord Jesus has set me free.
2) Saying that I have not continued in Jesus' word is a judgement. Jesus told us not to judge - what was that you were saying about disobeying his word?
3) Saul of Tarsus met with Jesus on the road to Damascus, was converted from being a Jewish Pharisee to one of Jesus' followers, and preached, taught and wrote about Jesus for the rest of his life. He founded churches, was accepted by the other apostles, led people to Christ and eventually died for Jesus. His writings were collected and put into a book which, together with the Gospels and OT, is called the Bible.
You may not accept that fact, or like Paul, but you have no right to say that I am blind, confused and not following Jesus' words.

ORAL ROBERTS once prayed to know: "How can I know Jesus?"

He was answered: "READ MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE, JOHN, and The Book of ACTS-
THREE TIMES IN THIRTY DAYS!"




He did it on his knees.

At the end of the thirty days, he testified that he now
knew Jesus "better than he knew any man on the Face of The Earth!"

1) I don't know, or follow Oral Roberts.
2) If he wants to boast and make the self assessment that he knows Jesus better than anyone else on earth, that's up to him.

The first Christian book I remember reading, after I was Saved was THE NEXT STEP FOR GROWING CHRISTIANS, by Jack T. Chick. In it, he directed new converts to follow his Bible Reading Plan, which consisted of dividing The Bible into Ten Sections, and reading ONE CHAPTER from each section every day.

I followed this plan- and, looking back, I now say that IT WAS A STUPID PLAN!

TEN CHAPTERS IS NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH!

Somehow, I SURVIVED, on that STUPID and SKIMPY diet!

So- when I heard Kenneth Copeland's Testimony of Oral Roberts, I knew that THAT was the way forwards.

I did my best to OVERLOAD MY SOUL with THE WORD OF GOD.

Well good for you - although it seems you are selective in what you count as the word of God.

As such, I entered suddenly into a whole new level I never suspected existed...

When I heard any teaching, I automatically sensed the Scriptures that addressed what was being said- corroborating or refuting it.


. LUKE 16:1-15.

AND he said also unto his Disciples,

"There was a certain rich man,

which had a steward;

and the same was accused unto him

that he had wasted his goods."

2. "And he called him, and said unto him,

'HOW IS IT THAT I HEAR THIS OF THEE?
GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF THY STEWARDSHIP;
FOR THOU MAYEST BE NO LONGER STEWARD.'

3. "Then the steward said within himself,

'WHAT SHALL I DO?
FOR MY LORD TAKETH AWAY FROM ME THE STEWARDSHIP:
I CANNOT DIG; TO BEG I AM ASHAMED.
4. 'I AM RESOLVED WHAT TO DO,
THAT, WHEN I AM PUT OUT OF THE STEWARDSHIP,
THEY MAY RECEIVE ME INTO THEIR HOUSES.'

5. "So he called every one of his lord's debtors unto him,
and said unto the first,

'HOW MUCH OWEST THOU UNTO MY LORD?'

6. "And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES OF OIL.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND SIT DOWN QUICKLY,
AND WRITE FIFTY.'

7. "Then said he to another,

'AND HOW MUCH OWEST THOU?'

And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES OF WHEAT.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL, AND WRITE FOURSCORE.'

8. "And the lord commended the Unjust Steward,
because he had done wisely:
for the Children of This World are in their Generation
wiser than the Children of Light."
9. "And I say unto you,

'MAKE TO YOURSELVES FRIENDS
OF THE MAMMON OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS;
THAT, WHEN YE FAIL,
THEY MAY RECEIVE YOU
INTO EVERLASTING HABITATIONS.'

10. "He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much:
and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.
11. "If therefore ye have not been faithful
in the Unrighteous Mammon,
who will commit to your trust the True Riches?
12. "And if ye have not been faithful
in that which is another man's,
who shall give you that which is your own?
13. "No servant can serve two masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and love the other;
or else he will hold to the one,
and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
14. "And the Pharisees also, who were covetous,
heard all these things: and they derided him."
15. And he said unto them,
"Ye are they which justify yourselves before men;
but God knoweth your hearts:
for that which is highly esteemed among men
is Abomination in the Sight of God."

YOU KNOW THAT THE FALSE STEWARD DEVALUES THE DEBT OF DUTY TO THE LORD, TO GAIN ACCEPTANCE AND SUPPORT. You don't need Yahshua to finish the Parable, to know how this course of action ends!

I don't understand what you are saying, but the dishonest steward was commended for his actions.

PAUL KILLED OFF EVERYONE WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN WILLING TO CONTRADICT HIM, THEN GUTTED THE GENTILE CHURCH WITH HIS LIES. For which he was handsomely and willingly paid. (Nobody talks about this!)

Perhaps because it's not true and no one believes it.

Paul worked as a tentmaker to support himself while he was in Corinth. If you have read Acts, you should be aware of this; Acts 18. He also told the churches that he had not burdened them by asking for money for himself or demanding they support him financially - though he had a right to. As you dislike Paul, no doubt you don't believe this; but you should at least believe the account in Acts.

Who taught you to worship a BOOK?

Who taught you that every swallowable thing made by God is edible?

I'm not doing either of these things.
Why are you making these judgements when you know nothing about me?

.Paul is nothing but the SOWER OF TARES, who deliberately brought The Ten Emperor Persecution upon The Church.

That's your opinion.

So Romans 8, describing life in the Spirit and how nothing can separate us from the love of God, is a tare?
All the passages in which Paul writes the Gospel and teaches about the cross, are tares?
The last supper, the resurrection of Jesus, his future return to earth are tares?

Paul didn't deliberately bring any persecution upon the church. Jesus told his followers they would be persecuted, arrested and killed because of him, and that's exactly what happened.

 

[W2L]

I will not address the thesis of Paul being a heretic. However, Paul made a few statements that are very problematical and that is being most generous in my description, especially #1 below.

(1) "Slaves be obedient to your masters." (Ephesians 6:5) Sugar coat it any way you want, this statement is an endorsement of the institution of slavery.

(2) "Women cover your heads lest you shame yourselves". ( 1 Corinthians 11) While this is probably no big deal, I doubt that very few Christian women in 2016 abide by Paul's admonition.

(3) "Wives submit yourselves to your husbands". (Ephesians 5) Sadly, this verse has no doubt been used, both directly and indirectly, to keep some women in abusive relationships.

(4) "As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches" (1 Corinthians 14: 34-35) Once again, I doubt very many women in 2016 abide by Paul's admonition.

While many Christians would disagree with some or all of the above statements, #1 is far and away the most troubling. I recall hearing a minister on the radio or television years ago try and reconcile Paul's slavery statement by claiming that slavery was an occupation back then and not the kind of slavery that the African slaves experienced in the United States. My response, "dream on, dream on...." Surely there were some benevolent slave masters in the Roman world for whom this might have been true. However, you can bet that there were many others slave masters who were abusive. Sadly, Paul did not make an exception for abused slaves in his slavery statement. Hence, it would seem that if they read Paul's Letter to the Ephesians, they would have felt obligated to remain in their abusive master-slave relationship.

It could be said that Paul wanted to share the Gospel with all men, even slave masters. Perhaps paul thought that through the servants love and faith, even a slave master might see their faith and be converted himself

 

[ToBeLoved]

Paul seems like a heretic because weak believers don't understand his messages, and how the weak believer understands Paul usually is a heresy.

So when weak believers, especially people who don't identify as a Christian too strongly, start saying Paul is a heretic, and they decide they need to be following Jesus in the gospels or Peter & James in the epistles, what is going on is that that weak believer is acting in good conscience because quite likely they way they are reading Paul's epistle is evil.

He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction. - 2 Peter 3:16

So people who reject what Paul is saying, (and I mean this with kindness,) you are in the dark and you lack foundation in God's word provided by the Holy Spirit.

Now, if you just accept you are in the dark and need more foundation, this is noble and humility. At which point you are not distorting God's word as Peter is saying some do. Those who start distorting what Paul's epistles say, though, then fall into deception, where they are exalting ideas of the devil in their mind, rather than the things of God... and doing this will cause negative outcomes in their life.

For those who don't get Paul, I suggest taking this attitude:

Now these Berea Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. - Acts 17:11

What I have seen is, people who reject Paul, will then only have very weak belief in scripture... very very weak belief. This is because we see Peter supporting Paul in 2 Peter 3:16... in which case Peter was deceived. Then also, Peter was appointed by Jesus himself as we read in Acts. Jesus doesn't just appear to anyone like that. I have never seen Jesus like that. So if Paul was deceived and his ministry fake, this means that the person who wrote the Book of Acts was deceived.

And then when the early church accepted Paul in Jerusalem, and laid hands on him to minister to the gentiles, this means the Jerusalem church was deceived.

So the whole new testament scriptures unravel if Paul is a true heretic. The real answer is what Peter said. Just read what Peter said and trust that. And those who want to twist, just accept that you are ignorant instead, and this is noble humility, and from there God himself will show you, so you will not have to trust Paul, but you will trust God.

Well put, you are able to dance when I usually insert my foot in my mouth.

Milk or meat

 

[W2L]

I follow the spirit of truth. The Jews who rejected Jesus followed the Torah to the letter, they still do. That's what Bibliolatry does to the mind and the heart, it redirects faith in God to faith in the writings and opinions of holy men. The fetish word of authority is a fear-inspiring doctrine, the worst of all tyrants which enslave men. A doctrinal fetish will lead man to betray himself into the clutches of bigotry, fanaticism, superstition, intolerance, and the most atrocious of barbarous cruelties.

The scriptures have lead me away from bigotry, intolerance and barbarous cruelties. They have taught me what is good.

 

[ToBeLoved]

SHALOM!

You are kidding, right?

(1) PAUL REJECTED YAHSHUA'S GOSPEL, AND IMPOSED HIS OWN.

. MATTHEW 24:14.

14. "And THIS GOSPEL of The Kingdom
shall be preached in all the World
for a Witness unto all nations;
and THEN shall The End come."


. MATTHEW 24:35.


35. "Heaven and Earth shall pass away,
but my Words shall not pass away."

. MATTHEW 28:16-20.


16. Then the eleven Disciples went away into Galilee,
into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17. And when they saw him, they worshipped him
but some doubted.
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
"All Power is given unto me in Heaven and in Earth.
19. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in The Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20. "Teaching them to observe all things
whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto The End of The World." Amen.

PAUL REJECTED THE GOSPEL THAT YAHSHUA TAUGHT HIS DISCIPLES, AND COMMANDED THEM TO TEACH TO THE WORLD, AND INSTEAD INVENTED HIS OWN.


. GALATIANS 1:11-12.


11. But I certify you, Brethren,

that the Gospel which was preached of me

is not after Man.

12. For I neither received it of Man,

neither was I taught it,

but by the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

. GALATANS 2:7-9.


7. But contrariwise, when they saw
that The Gospel of the Uncircumcision
was committed unto me,
as The Gospel of the Circumcision was unto Peter;
8. [For he that wrought effectually in Peter
to the Apostleship of the Circumcision,
the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:]
9 And when James, Cephas, and John,
who seemed to be pillars,
perceived the Grace that was given unto me,
they gave to me and Barnabas
the right hands of Fellowship;
that we should go unto the Heathen,
and they unto the Circumcision.

THIS IS CALLED: "FAILURE TO FOLLOW SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS."

Every Disciple of YAHSHUA follows THE SAME COMMANDMENTS AND TEACHINGS OF GOD as given BY YAHSHUA. Anyone who follows DIFFERENT Commandments and Teachings CANNOT POSSIBLY ACHIEVE THE SAME RESULTS.

Which is what you have, do you not- in all of your Oyinbo Churches, your are POOR, BLIND, DEAF, DUMB, LAME, PALSIED, and NAKED- and your CLERGY Teach: "THIS IS PERFECTLY NORMAL! GOD CANNOT MANIFEST WITH US AS HE DID WITH THE ANCIENTS!"

(2) ALL YOU NEED TO BE SAVED IS TO CALL ON THE LORD'S NAME!

. MATTHEW 7:21-29.

21. "Not every one
that saith unto me, 'Lord, Lord,'
shall enter into
The Kingdom of Heaven;
but he that doeth
The Will of my Father Which is in Heaven.
22. "Many will say to me in That Day,


'LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME?

AND IN THY NAME HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS?
AND IN THY NAME DONE MANY WONDERFUL WORKS?'


23. "And then will I profess unto them,


'I NEVER KNEW YOU:
DEPART FROM ME,
YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.'


24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
these Sayings of mine, and doeth them,
I will liken him unto a Wise Man,
which built his House upon a Rock:
25. "And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds blew, and beat upon that House;
and it Fell not: for it was founded upon a Rock.
26. "And every one that heareth
these Sayings of mine, and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto a Foolish Man,
which built his house upon the Sand:
27. "And the rain descended, and the floods came,
and the winds blew, and beat upon that House;
and it Fell: and Great was The Fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had ended these Sayings,
the People were astonished at his Doctrine:
29. For he Taught them as One having Authority,
and not as the scribes.

MERELY CALLING UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD IS INSUFFICIENT: ONE MUST ALSO OBEY THE TEACHINGS OF THE LORD- OR ELSE ONE WILL SUFFER A CAVE-IN, RATHER THAN BE SAVED.

. ROMANS 10:5-13.


5. For Moses describeth the Righteousness which is of The Law,

“THAT THE MAN WHICH DOETH THOSE THINGS
SHALL LIVE BY THEM.”


6. But the Righteousness which is of Faith speaketh on this wise,


“SAY NOT IN THINE HEART,
'WHO SHALL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?'


[that is, to bring Christ down from above:]

[7. “OR, WHO SHALL DESCEND INTO THE DEEP?”


[that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.]
8. But what saith it?

“THE WORD IS NIGH THEE,
EVEN IN THY MOUTH,
AND IN THY HEART:"

That is, The Word of Faith, which we preach;

9. “THAT IF THOU SHALT
CONFESS WITH THY MOUTH
THE LORD JESUS,
AND SHALT BELIEVE IN THINE HEART
THAT GOD HATH RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD,
THOU SHALT BE SAVED.”


10. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made unto Salvation.
11. For the Scripture saith,

“WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM
SHALL NOT BE ASHAMED.”


12. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek:
for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13. For whosoever shall call upon
the Name of the Lord shall be Saved.

PAUL SAYS: "THESE SCRIPTURES MEAN THUS-AND-SO...!"

He was LYING! they had NOTHING to do with the load of it that Paul was laying on them.

Christians have found out THE HARD WAY that calling on the Name of The Lord is USELESS without OBEYING THE LORD'S TEACHINGS.

(3) PAUL SAID THE HAND OF MAN PLUCK THE SAVED OUT OF YAHSHUA'S HAND.

. JOHN 10:26-30.


26. "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep,
as I said unto you.
27. "My sheep hear my Voice, and I know them,
and they follow me:
28. "And I give unto them Eternal Life;
and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29. "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's Hand.
30. I and my Father are one."

. GALATIANS 5:1-4.

STAND fast therefore in the Liberty
wherewith Christ hath made us Free,
and be not entangled again with the Yoke of Bondage.
2. Behold, I Paul say unto you,


“THAT IF YE BE CIRCUMCISED,
CHRIST SHALL PROFIT YOU NOTHING.”


3. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised,
that he is a debtor to do the whole Law.
4. Christ is become of no effect unto you,
whosoever of you are justified by the Law;
ye are fallen from Grace.

THIS HAS HARDLY EXHAUSTED THE LIST OF PAUL'S CONTRADICTIONS OF THE LORD'S TEACHINGS- which he got away with at the time- only because the Disciples treacherously cooperated with the Sanhedrin, in withholding Yahshua's actual Teachings.

Well let's go through these one by one.

Although I must say that I am confused by your last sentence, because what you are in effect saying there is that Paul and all the Apostles are in on leading men astray from Jesus. Woah. That's deep. Really deep. That would mean Jesus chose men that He knew were going to lead His church astray after He called Peter the rock that He would build His church upon that even the gates of hell would not be able to prevail against.

So then Jesus lied too? Because Jesus gave them a big thumbs up.

 

[W2L]

Paul couldn't just preach against slavery to a pagan Empire such as Rome. The Gospel would have been crushed instead of being heard. This issue of slavery in the Roman Empire is not so easy to understand. Lets consider these scriptures.

1 Corinthians 7:21 Were you a slave when called? Do not be concerned about it. (But if you can gain your freedom, avail yourself of the opportunity.)


1 Peter 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.

Titus 2:9-10 Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith, so that in everything they may adorn the doctrine of God our Savior.

Ephesians 6:8-10 Knowing that whatever good anyone does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether he is a slave or free. Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him. Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might.

1 Timothy 6:1-2 Let all who are under a yoke as slaves regard their own masters as worthy of all honor, so that the name of God and the teaching may not be reviled. Those who have believing masters must not be disrespectful on the ground that they are brothers; rather they must serve all the better since those who benefit by their good service are believers and beloved. Teach and urge these things.

 

[Colter]

The scriptures have lead me away from bigotry, intolerance and barbarous cruelties. They have taught me what is good.

The victims of the Old Testament atrocities, ascribed to God, didn't come away with the same sentiments.

 

[W2L]

The victims of the Old Testament atrocities, ascribed to God, didn't come away with the same sentiments.

We will all die one day. Perhaps from old age, illness, or some accident. Is that unjust?

 

[ToBeLoved]

(1) PAUL REJECTED YAHSHUA'S GOSPEL, AND IMPOSED HIS OWN.

. MATTHEW 24:14.

14. "And THIS GOSPEL of The Kingdom
shall be preached in all the World
for a Witness unto all nations;
and THEN shall The End come."

.

So this is your first proof verses that Paul is an imposter. Now you know Paul did not write Matthew, right?

So how does this verse show Paul to be an imposter? Exactly?

 

[ToBeLoved]

(1) PAUL REJECTED YAHSHUA'S GOSPEL, AND IMPOSED HIS OWN.

. MATTHEW 24:14.

14. "And THIS GOSPEL of The Kingdom
shall be preached in all the World
for a Witness unto all nations;
and THEN shall The End come."


. MATTHEW 24:35.


35. "Heaven and Earth shall pass away,
but my Words shall not pass away."

. MATTHEW 28:16-20.


16. Then the eleven Disciples went away into Galilee,
into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17. And when they saw him, they worshipped him
but some doubted.
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
"All Power is given unto me in Heaven and in Earth.
19. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them
in The Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20. "Teaching them to observe all things
whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you alway,
even unto The End of The World." Amen.

PAUL REJECTED THE GOSPEL THAT YAHSHUA TAUGHT HIS DISCIPLES, AND COMMANDED THEM TO TEACH TO THE WORLD, AND INSTEAD INVENTED HIS OWN.

I see no conflict with what Jesus said and what Paul says. Jesus said to go to all nations. Paul traveled all to Europe and the Middle East and was going to go into Asia Minor, so what is your problem with these verses?

 

[SkyWriting]

I just love it when people try to reduce the entire Gospel to the Sermon on the Mount:"For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."

Then you must hate this scripture:
Mathew 7: 12 - In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you.
For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

 

[Colter]

We will all die one day. Perhaps from old age, illness, or some accident. Is that unjust?

I've been posting on the Internet for many years now, that has to be the stupidest excuse for atrocities that I have heard yet!

 

[lesliedellow]

Then you must hate this scripture:
Mathew 7: 12 - In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you.
For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

The Law and the Prophets omits the New Testament, of course. Or are we all Jews now?

 

[expos4ever]

You are kidding, right?....

There are at least some of us here who are quite well-versed in the Scriptures and see no contradiction between Paul and Jesus. Your post was rather rambly - can you please tell us in very concise and simple language exactly what contradictions you see between Jesus and Paul?

 

[SkyWriting]

It only proves the Bible Canon wasn't inspired (there was no prophecy about a physical bible in the first place!).

The scriptures that Jesus was referring to isn't the same as the Bible. Sadly, even some of those scriptures that was referred to in the Bible did not make it to canon. The most famous example being the Book of Enoch. Not surprising it wasn't included as it condemns people who are rich and powerful and exalts the poor. It goes against the fabric of society for all time.

I just read the entire book. It seems to have been written
by somebody in an asylum or who takes LSD. I couldn't
find any specific passages exalting the poor. Rather it leans
more toward a Mad Max type of society where everyone
living is annihilated by gigantic people. Even the poor.

11 And the women conceiving brought forth giants,
12 Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.

 

[ToBeLoved]

The Law and the Prophets omits the New Testament, of course. Or are we all Jews now?

However, the Old Testament contained the 10 Commandments. It is these commandments that when broken convict human beings under sin, which is what would lead us to hell, but for Jesus Christ.

Also, the verse is out of Matthew, which is New Testament and the verse says 'love' covers all of the law and the prophets. Now the law is sin in the New Testament also. So sin has not changed, nor that we sin. What we now have is a Savior, an Advocate to the Father for sin and the forgiveness of sin.

So, I don't think the other person was wrong.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It only proves the Bible Canon wasn't inspired (there was no prophecy about a physical bible in the first place!).

The scriptures that Jesus was referring to isn't the same as the Bible. Sadly, even some of those scriptures that was referred to in the Bible did not make it to canon. The most famous example being the Book of Enoch. Not surprising it wasn't included as it condemns people who are rich and powerful and exalts the poor. It goes against the fabric of society for all time.

Hmmm... I know Enoch is mentioned in the Bible by name, but what proof do you have that the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and God intended it to be in the Bible? Not every person mentioned in the Bible needs a book or two books in the cannon.